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Etownsox13
05-27-2004, 07:58 AM
Did anyone hear Rooney and Farmer at the end of the game

talking about how Takatsu has starter's stuff? Maybe he is the

answer as the 5th starter. Also, Rick Helling is ready to come back

from his rehab assignment for the Twins, but they have no where

to put him, and are expected to cut him loose later in the week.

Maybe we could pick up a seasoned vet like Helling to fill the hole

in the roatation.

habibharu
05-27-2004, 08:03 AM
i wouldnt mind having helling for a couple months, probably until mid july, when we should be able to get a top of the rotation pitcher like garcia

samram
05-27-2004, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Etownsox13
Did anyone hear Rooney and Farmer at the end of the game

talking about how Takatsu has starter's stuff? Maybe he is the

answer as the 5th starter. Also, Rick Helling is ready to come back

from his rehab assignment for the Twins, but they have no where

to put him, and are expected to cut him loose later in the week.

Maybe we could pick up a seasoned vet like Helling to fill the hole

in the roatation.

Shingo didn't even start in Japan, so at age 35 he isn't going to just be able to throw 80-90 pitches. Plus, he may be the type of guy who has trouble if someone sees him twice in the same game.

And Rick Helling is awful. He's no better than the prospects the Sox have.

soxtalker
05-27-2004, 08:25 AM
I would expect that it would be more likely that Takatsu fill the closer role if Koch falters, is injured, or is traded. He doesn't blow people away, but he does seem to consistantly get people out. I was at the game last night, and. while they hit some solid shots off of him, the balls were easily playable.

Bobby Thigpen
05-27-2004, 08:33 AM
Neither

poorme
05-27-2004, 08:38 AM
If Helling isn't worth a spot on the Twins roster, why would we want him?

WinningUgly!
05-27-2004, 08:39 AM
Having Helling in the rotation would land every White Sox outfielder on the DL with neck injuries.

jabrch
05-27-2004, 09:01 AM
Neither - Shingo can't go 80+ pitches and would be far less effective if he is seen 3 to 4 times in a day. Helling is bad and old and hurt - no reason to pursue that. Let's aim out sights a bit higher than this. KW has made it fairly clear he will do something. I think we will end up getting on of the better available SPs, hopefully Garcia.

Frater Perdurabo
05-27-2004, 09:06 AM
I like Shingo in his current role, he gets guys out. If he had to face batters three and four times per game, they quickly would figure him out. He's most valuable in his limited role, getting a hold during the seventh or eighth inning.

A.T. Money
05-27-2004, 09:09 AM
Helling is terrible. Forget that!

As for Shingo, leave him where he is.

iwannago
05-27-2004, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by poorme
If Helling isn't worth a spot on the Twins roster, why would we want him?

I agree and I also agreed with Lip earlier when he said we should sign Rogers.

Irishsox1
05-27-2004, 09:28 AM
Actually Helling wouldn't be that bad. However, I don't know how hurt he is and what he currently looks like. He could still be hurt. Last year Helling was 8-8. But having a veteran as a 5th starter is more appealing than another young pitcher that gets lit up like a pinball game.

wdelaney72
05-27-2004, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by samram
Shingo didn't even start in Japan, so at age 35 he isn't going to just be able to throw 80-90 pitches. Plus, he may be the type of guy who has trouble if someone sees him twice in the same game.

And Rick Helling is awful. He's no better than the prospects the Sox have.

I agree. Shingo would get shelled as a starter.

kittle42
05-27-2004, 10:23 AM
I would rather have Don Cooper pitch than Rick Helling.

Bobby Thigpen
05-27-2004, 10:25 AM
Jose Paniagua

lowesox
05-27-2004, 11:13 AM
Didn't the Neal Cotts incident teach people that if a player's having success to leave him alone. I wouldn't touch Takatsu right now.

pinwheels3530
05-27-2004, 11:26 AM
Did everyone see that pinch Shingo throw Soriano to strike him out WOW!

Lip Man 1
05-27-2004, 01:19 PM
Can someone tel me what were Helling's numbers with the Marlins last year?

Lipl

iwannago
05-27-2004, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Can someone tel me what were Helling's numbers with the Marlins last year?

Try the Marlins ESPN site.

Lipl

maurice
05-27-2004, 02:03 PM
Maybe we should trade CLee to the twinks for Helling.

oheeoh...magglio
05-27-2004, 06:05 PM
Shingo as a starter is a BAD BAD idea. His stuff is unhittable and fools hitter to no end out of the bullpen, but I have a bad feeling about what would happen to him the 2nd and 3rd time he went through a lineup in the same night.

Helling just sucks, so no to that idea too.

jeremyb1
05-27-2004, 06:10 PM
Sorry but those are two of the worst ideas I've ever heard. I'll be happy if Shingo continues to have success anywhere near what he's done so far for the rest of the season as a reliver. If Rauch, Diaz, or Munoz can't outperform Helling I'm concerned.

WinningUgly!
05-27-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Can someone tel me what were Helling's numbers with the Marlins last year?

Lipl

Helling put up very good numbers in the mop-up role for Florida in 2003... 1-0, era-0.55, 16 innings pitched.

He didn't fair as well pitching in the AL. His '03 numbers with the O's... 7-8, era-5.71, HR-30, IP-138

illiniwhitesox
05-27-2004, 10:57 PM
Hate the idea. Look what happened with Kim at Boston. He's had injury problems after they tried to make him a starter. I don't feel the delivery allows one to throw 80 - 90 pitches.

In addition to this, hitters clue in on the delivery after seeing it twice. I believe this is part of the reason why Kim started to get shelled once they made him a 5th starter.

As a reliever, a submariner can be tremendously effective. Look at Quisenberry. A submariner, in spot situations can be very difficult for hitters to adjust to after they have faced conventional pitching for 8 innings.

SOXSINCE'70
05-28-2004, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Etownsox13
Did anyone hear Rooney and Farmer at the end of the game

talking about how Takatsu has starter's stuff? Maybe he is the

answer as the 5th starter. Also, Rick Helling is ready to come back

from his rehab assignment for the Twins, but they have no where

to put him, and are expected to cut him loose later in the week.

Maybe we could pick up a seasoned vet like Helling to fill the hole

in the roatation.

Have to agree with the posters.Shigo is a reliever.Helling??
HELL NO!!