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Lip Man 1
05-26-2004, 01:26 PM
Folks:

Look for a column in the next few days from the Sun Times' Greg Couch concerning Jerry Reinsdorf / Eddie Einhorn and their organization.

I have no exact idea what it is going to be about but Greg asked if I could provide to him some information on the history of the Sox on TV, and the idea of being taken off 'free TV' in the early 80's. (SportsVision.) I know he has been trying to get an interview with Reinsdorf for some time now.

If I had to guess (and again this is just a guess!) I'd say the theme of the column will be dealing with the overall impression that the organization has made mistakes that have serious hurt their ability to draw, create interest, work with the media and longterm health of the team.

But I don't know that for a fact.

Lip

sas1974
05-26-2004, 01:37 PM
Or perhaps just as some setup/background in reference to the new cable network.

Lip Man 1
05-26-2004, 01:46 PM
No...that issue has never been brought up in our conversations.

Lip

BeerHandle
05-26-2004, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Folks:

Look for a column in the next few days from the Sun Times' Greg Couch concerning Jerry Reinsdorf / Eddie Einhorn and their organization.

I have no exact idea what it is going to be about but Greg asked if I could provide to him some information on the history of the Sox on TV, and the idea of being taken off 'free TV' in the early 80's. (SportsVision.) I know he has been trying to get an interview with Reinsdorf for some time now.

If I had to guess (and again this is just a guess!) I'd say the theme of the column will be dealing with the overall impression that the organization has made mistakes that have serious hurt their ability to draw, create interest, work with the media and longterm health of the team.

But I don't know that for a fact.

Lip

Lip:

who are you and what do you do? You always have insider information.

HomeFish
05-26-2004, 10:24 PM
Reinsdorf actually had the nerve the step onto the field before Tuesday's game to give an award for some foster family thing. KW was with him.

Did anyone else take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opprotunity to yell things at the field?

pinwheels3530
05-27-2004, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by HomeFish
Reinsdorf actually had the nerve the step onto the field before Tuesday's game to give an award for some foster family thing. KW was with him.

Did anyone else take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opprotunity to yell things at the field?


Yeah I always wanted to yell at him win giving out a award for foster family care :?: what a dumb post!

DMarte708
05-27-2004, 05:27 AM
Couch wrote an article alright.......just read the title and you'll have an indication of the tone throughout the piece.

"IRRESPONSEIBLE UNLIKE OTHER TEAM OWNERS, WHITE SOX CHAIRMAN JERRY REINSDORF ISN'T FULFILLING HIS OBLIGATION TO SERVE AS THE FACE OF FRANCHISE"

http://www.suntimes.com/output/couch/cst-spt-greg27.html

Tremendous article. Couch was, in a sense, a representative of our fan base; he attempted to question Reinsdorf on the complaints every White Sox fan/generation has emassed since the infancy of his ownership. One can only wonder why Reinsdorf refused to conduct the interview . Apparently, cave dwelling is his preferred action when dealing with journalists who are asking honest questions.

SOXSINCE'70
05-27-2004, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by DMarte708
Couch wrote an article alright.......just read the title and you'll have an indication of the tone throughout the piece.

"IRRESPONSEIBLE UNLIKE OTHER TEAM OWNERS, WHITE SOX CHAIRMAN JERRY REINSDORF ISN'T FULFILLING HIS OBLIGATION TO SERVE AS THE FACE OF FRANCHISE"

http://www.suntimes.com/output/couch/cst-spt-greg27.html

Tremendous article. Couch was, in a sense, a representative of our fan base; he attempted to question Reinsdorf on the complaints every White Sox fan/generation has emassed since the infancy of his ownership. One can only wonder why Reinsdorf refused to conduct the interview . Apparently, cave dwelling is his preferred action when dealing with journalists who are asking honest questions.

Not a bad article,considering Couch is a self admitted sCrUBS fan who,as any good journalist,must remain unbiased.

sas1974
05-27-2004, 08:35 AM
I think the two small paragraphs quoted from Mark Cuban's email just about sum it up.

And from the tone of Couch's article, it appears that JR would have been better served to just do the damn interview. He came off looking foolish anyway.

34 Inch Stick
05-27-2004, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
Lip:

who are you and what do you do? You always have insider information.

He is Superman and he fights for truth, justice and the American way. His superpower hearing allows him to hear conversations from hundreds of miles away.

By day he is an unassuming reporter/survivalist in the middle of nowhere.

Hangar18
05-27-2004, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by SOXSINCE'70
Not a bad article,considering Couch is a self admitted sCrUBS fan who,as a ny good journalist,must remain unbiased.

YES, good job to mr. couch for being professional, and calling OUT REINSDORF. We really need more articles like this.......
and get Reinsdorfs Follies back in the public eye

fledgedrallycap
05-27-2004, 09:27 AM
I have to defend J.R. on one note, he is much more open to the public than many owners in sports. With that said, what obligation does Jerry Reinsdorf have to listen or go out of his way to amuse the fans? None. If people have issues with the payroll, that's warranted. If people want to pin the blame of the strike and white flag trade on J.R., granted. The list goes on and on, but to say our owner has an obligation is completely incomprehensible and flat-out wrong. This obligation is to provide a quality product on the field by hiring competent individuals to run his franchises.

wdelaney72
05-27-2004, 09:28 AM
That was a really great article.

I agree, he made himself look even worse by not doing an interview.

Highly educated and worth millions... yes.
Too bad he can't spend some of that money on learning how to understand people. He'll never get it.

Hangar18
05-27-2004, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by fledgedrallycap
I have to defend J.R. on one note, he is much more open to the public than many owners in sports. .............

his obligation is to provide a quality product on the field by hiring competent individuals to run his franchises.

And when he Hires individuals based on FINANCES instead of COMPETENCY to run his franchises....... You get the FanBacklash you see right now. Also, you get 2 playoff appearances in 23 years .......

Dan H
05-27-2004, 09:35 AM
It was a great story by Couch. And I don't buy the Cubs bias here. Couch was the one who aggressively went after the Tribune ticket scalping story. This is one writer who has the fans interest in mind at least once in a while.

fledgedrallycap
05-27-2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
And when he Hires individuals based on FINANCES instead of COMPETENCY to run his franchises....... You get the FanBacklash you see right now. Also, you get 2 playoff appearances in 23 years .......

That my friend, is a fair criticism...

Maximo
05-27-2004, 09:42 AM
Once again, my skepticism regarding Jerry Reinsdorf as an owner of a professional sports franchise has been confirmed. He just doesn't get it.

He has a credibility problem with his fan base and it's one of his own doing. No need to go into great detail about some of the major gaffes during his regime........pay TV when the Chicago market was not ready for it......his stance on labor relations in 94' that arguably cost the Sox a pennant.....the "White Flag" trade......it's all been discussed numerous times around here before.

Younger Sox fans see Reinsdorf as a "tight wad". Older ones also see him as untrustworthy. He claims that if the fans show up, he'll use the money to make the Sox better. Yet, he continues to shoulder most of the burden for keeping Sox fans disgruntled.

As a man, he may be one helluva guy, but we don't get a chance to see it. As a businessman, he obviously makes a dollar or two.
However, in the field of "customer relations", he is a complete failure. If he truly wants that image to change, he needs to do something about it.

The "ball is in your court", Jerry.

wolcott10
05-27-2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
And when he Hires individuals based on FINANCES instead of COMPETENCY to run his franchises....... You get the FanBacklash you see right now. Also, you get 2 playoff appearances in 23 years .......

I thought it was 3 playoff appearances in 23 years.

1983, 1993, 2000.

ewokpelts
05-27-2004, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by HomeFish
Reinsdorf actually had the nerve the step onto the field before Tuesday's game to give an award for some foster family thing. KW was with him.

Did anyone else take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opprotunity to yell things at the field?

Hey......there'sa time and aplace for everything...
Gene

Lip Man 1
05-27-2004, 01:28 PM
A brilliant piece of writing. Greg got his point across without personally attacking the man. And the Mark Cuban part was a fate accompli'

In regards to the poster's comment about Uncle Jerry and PR you might enjoy this comment:

"He loved baseball and had expended much energy in the running of the White Sox, but his involvement in baseball had created one public relations disaster after another. By Reinsdorf’s own admission, his early threats to move the team out of Chicago if he didn’t get public cooperation in building a new Comiskey Park became the bedrock of his negative public image. In the wake of that came his role in the ugly relations between baseball’s owners and players. Added to that were the machinations over his tinkering with the White Sox roster. Many of the owners initiatives have been misinterpreted or misunderstood by the public, largely because Reinsdorf seemed to disdain the process of communicating with the fans of the teams he managed. ‘I don’t care about public relations,’ had been Reinsdorf’s patent answer on these issues. What Reinsdorf appeared to mean was that he didn’t care about popularity contests. But that disdain for the process had often come across as a disregard for the fans, his paying customers.” – Roland Lazenby From the book Blood On The Horns. Pgs. 91-92.

Lip

ewokpelts
05-27-2004, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by SOXSINCE'70
Not a bad article,considering Couch is a self admitted sCrUBS fan who,as any good journalist,must remain unbiased.

but anti-cubune.....he's VERY vocal about wrigley field premium
Gene

joecrede
05-27-2004, 01:48 PM
Off topic, but Hangar, what's with the Bevington love?

ewokpelts
05-27-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by joecrede
Off topic, but Hangar, what's with the Bevington love?
crack

SOXSINCE'70
05-27-2004, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by joecrede
Off topic, but Hangar, what's with the Bevington love?

Is it fair or foul?? :) :)

Vernam
05-27-2004, 07:54 PM
I won't apologize for Reinsdorf, because 20+ years without an AL pennant speaks for itself. If he doesn't care about PR, it shows! Can't bring myself to hate the guy, though, somehow. At least he didn't move the team.

The guy I blame more for the past 20 years is Bowie Kuhn. If not for him, the Sox would have been owned by the De Bartolo family, who probably would have brought the same organizational strength they did to the 49ers. To think Kuhn rejected them, and now many MLB parks have billboards advertising casinos. I wonder if they'd have torn down the old park . . .