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E Coast Sox Fan
05-19-2004, 10:44 AM
Not traditional I know, but since he usually works the count and has a knack for getting on base (by taking walks in key hitting situations), he may be better suited to bat 1 or 2 rather than 3 or 4.

Today's Trib says that the Sox number four spot (normally occupied by the Big Hurt) is responsible for less RBI's than all but two other teams. Maybe Lee or Konerko could fill in on the four spot.

sas1974
05-19-2004, 10:52 AM
Bold thinking, but this pretty much goes against the very reason that Frank is batting 4th this year instead of 3rd. He's slow and they didn't want him clogging up the basepaths. They figured Maggs could score on a shot Frank hit to the gap, but not vice versa.

Etownsox13
05-19-2004, 12:01 PM
I agree, It would be so stupid to lead off with Frank. You would

get him on base alot, but you need a leadoff man who can make

things happen, and put pressure on the defense. Frank

definately doesn't strike fear in anyone as a baserunner.

Kadafi311
05-19-2004, 12:20 PM
Allow me to offer a mathematical equation.

http://members.cox.net/kadafi/sox/thomas.jpg + Leadoff Hitter = http://www.desertgold.com/park/pics/sturtle.gif

http://members.cox.net/kadafi/sox/ordonez.jpg = http://members.cox.net/kadafi/plunger.jpg

iwannago
05-19-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Kadafi311
Allow me to offer a mathematical equation.

http://members.cox.net/kadafi/sox/thomas.jpg + Leadoff Hitter = http://www.desertgold.com/park/pics/sturtle.gif

http://members.cox.net/kadafi/sox/ordonez.jpg = http://members.cox.net/kadafi/plunger.jpg

Great illustration!

StepsInSC
05-19-2004, 12:34 PM
I'd put Frank in the 3 hole again with Ordonez behind him.

mdep524
05-19-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by StepsInSC
I'd put Frank in the 3 hole again with Ordonez behind him.

This is the answer right here.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-19-2004, 02:16 PM
Somebody suggested last winter (gee, I can't remember who) that Frank ought to be moved *up* in the order, not down. He would make a great #2 hitter.

Unfortunately this doesn't solve the obvious problem that A.L. pitchers already know how to deal with a Frank/Maggs batting combo. They simply pitch around Frank and let him take his walk, then pitch Magglio low and inside who then dutifully bats the ball to either third base or the shortstop setting up the 6-4-3 double-play. If Maggs doesn't fall for it, certainly Konerko or Lee will.

The solution is simple. We need a good situational hitter with some power who can put the ball in play and be counted on to keep the ball out of the infield. Who we need is 2004's version of Julio Franco, the guy the Sox let get away in 1995 and have never replaced, to bat behind Frank.

Leave it to the Sox to have a hitter as talented as Frank Thomas and waste his entire career because they haven't a clue how to build around him. We have exactly two playoff wins to show for it, the last victory coming over 11 years ago.

BKozi
05-19-2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Somebody suggested last winter (gee, I can't remember who) that Frank ought to be moved *up* in the order, not down. He would make a great #2 hitter.

Unfortunately this doesn't solve the obvious problem that A.L. pitchers already know how to deal with a Frank/Maggs batting combo. They simply pitch around Frank and let him take his walk, then pitch Magglio low and inside who then dutifully bats the ball to either third base or the shortstop setting up the 6-4-3 double-play. If Maggs doesn't fall for it, certainly Konerko or Lee will.

The solution is simple. We need a good situational hitter with some power who can put the ball in play and be counted on to keep the ball out of the infield. Who we need is 2004's version of Julio Franco, the guy the Sox let get away in 1995 and have never replaced, to bat behind Frank.

Leave it to the Sox to have a hitter as talented as Frank Thomas and waste his entire career because they haven't a clue how to build around him. We have exactly two playoff wins to show for it, the last victory coming over 11 years ago.

Very interesting but I must admit that this is the first time I have ever heard anybody tie Julio Franco to the downfall of the Big Hurt... :)

PaleHoseGeorge
05-19-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by BKozi
Very interesting but I must admit that this is the first time I have ever heard anybody tie Julio Franco to the downfall of the Big Hurt...

The 1994 team wasn't everyone's favorite for a World Series triumph because of its pitching. In fact the '93 staff had better pitching stats. It was the offensive explosion of the '94 team that made them great, and it was Frank#3 and Julio #4 setting everything else up. It was a sight to behold...

We don't need a $14 million rightfielder half as much as we need someone to get the ball out of the infield when Frank is on first base. "Clogged bases" are infinitely desirable to empty bases, a fact too many people conveniently overlook.

:smile:

Frater Perdurabo
05-19-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Somebody suggested last winter (gee, I can't remember who) that Frank ought to be moved *up* in the order, not down. He would make a great #2 hitter.

Unfortunately this doesn't solve the obvious problem that A.L. pitchers already know how to deal with a Frank/Maggs batting combo. They simply pitch around Frank and let him take his walk, then pitch Magglio low and inside who then dutifully bats the ball to either third base or the shortstop setting up the 6-4-3 double-play. If Maggs doesn't fall for it, certainly Konerko or Lee will.

The solution is simple. We need a good situational hitter with some power who can put the ball in play and be counted on to keep the ball out of the infield. Who we need is 2004's version of Julio Franco, the guy the Sox let get away in 1995 and have never replaced, to bat behind Frank.

Leave it to the Sox to have a hitter as talented as Frank Thomas and waste his entire career because they haven't a clue how to build around him. We have exactly two playoff wins to show for it, the last victory coming over 11 years ago.

George, could Steve Finley be 2004's version of Julio Franco? Do you think the Sox should pursue a trade with Arizona for Finley, and bat him fifth behind Maggs and Frank?

PaleHoseGeorge
05-19-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Frater Perdurabo
George, could Steve Finley be 2004's version of Julio Franco? Do you think the Sox should pursue a trade with Arizona for Finley, and bat him fifth behind Maggs and Frank?

I really don't know. The key is to have a good situational hitter directly behind Frank. Make the pitchers *pay* for putting him on base. Whether Frank bats #2, #3, or #4 really doesn't make much difference, just as long as the next hitter knows how to keep the ball out of the infield. Maggs can bat after that and score everybody. This isn't asking too much, is it?

batmanZoSo
05-19-2004, 03:23 PM
:threadsucks:

:messica:--just for good measures. all threads should have something good in them, hm?