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ChiSox14305635
05-18-2004, 09:59 PM
Just heard it on JHood's show on the Score.

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 09:59 PM
Let's give it a go.

MRKARNO
05-18-2004, 10:02 PM
That sounds like the right idea.

StockdaleForVeep
05-18-2004, 10:04 PM
I think this may be a semi bad idea? We need a consistant starter for the 5hole, we cant be rotating guys in\out. A pitcher isnt gonna throw a gem every start, wright had the chance and proved he couldnt hack it, are we rushin the gun on diaz too soon?

MRKARNO
05-18-2004, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
I think this may be a semi bad idea? We need a consistant starter for the 5hole, we cant be rotating guys in\out. A pitcher isnt gonna throw a gem every start, wright had the chance and proved he couldnt hack it, are we rushin the gun on diaz too soon?

We can't afford to start Diaz against the Twins. The Twins suck against Lefties. Diaz will get a chance to regroup and figure out what he was doing wrong

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
I think this may be a semi bad idea? We need a consistant starter for the 5hole, we cant be rotating guys in\out. A pitcher isnt gonna throw a gem every start, wright had the chance and proved he couldnt hack it, are we rushin the gun on diaz too soon? I think Diaz can be a real effective pitcher, but this might be the right call. You're right that you don't want to keep rotating guys in and out, but when the fifth starter had the record we had last year, and the current record is on pace, a change needs to be made. Diaz may just need a little more time to develop. He'll be fine. I'm more worried about Wunsch right now.

Cubbiesuck13
05-18-2004, 10:10 PM
i love this move even if it doesnt work out, it makes the most sense. it also shows that we will pay the twin more attention than the tribe. intensity is what we need to beat the twins.

Lip Man 1
05-18-2004, 10:10 PM
Hawk again was talking on the pregame show tonight about how something had to be done... that he sees that Diaz has good stuff but can't figure out what's wrong with him. Hawk mentioned the Cotts move and said if that doesn't work out the only recourse is a trade.

That being said, I'm surprised the Sox cut the cord so quickly (although I don't have any trouble with the move...) Maybe they are finally starting to understand this situation with their young pitchers and are getting tired of the merry go round. In other words the leash is getting shorter because of what's at stake.

Cotts is the latest in the revolving door.... for the team's sake I hope he can do a decent job. We'll see.

Lip

MRKARNO
05-18-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Cotts is the latest in the revolving door.... for the team's sake I hope he can do a decent job. We'll see.

Lip

You were right on Diaz, but Cotts has proven himself against ML talent that he can get them out and dominate at times.

OEO Magglio
05-18-2004, 10:18 PM
I'll say right now after seeing cotts start a couple games, the sox will have found their 5th starter. Then kenny can go and find the sox a left handed bat.

cheeses_h_rice
05-18-2004, 10:22 PM
Wow, the most amazing news is that Wunsch is back. I thought he was onto something when he thought he'd be dealt.

Let's just hope Cotts doesn't crap his pants in Minny -- a Saturday game against our biggest divisional threat.

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 10:23 PM
Probably not a popular opinion, but even if this move was temporary, and we were able to pick up Garcia, I would be all for it, assuming the price was okay. Cotts should provide a serviceable job, I just hope we don't miss him too much not being in the pen. However, we need a fifth starter more than a lefty reliever at this point.

hose
05-18-2004, 10:23 PM
I think Diaz will benefit in the long run by going back down to Charlotte and continue to have success. The way Ozzie used Adkins and Cotts not only built up their confidence, more so for Adkins, but also got great results. If Diaz can make the team next spring then he could get his big league experience in a middle relief or mop up roll instead of being thrown into the fire.

Cotts will get the job done.

I heard that Wunsch has built his arm strength back up to where it was last year. As long as Kelly can stay healthy he should be pretty effective in his role.

hose
05-18-2004, 10:24 PM
Any chance KW is showcasing Cotts????

I hope not.

iwannago
05-18-2004, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
Wow, the most amazing news is that Wunsch is back. I thought he was onto something when he thought he'd be dealt.

Let's just hope Cotts doesn't crap his pants in Minny -- a Saturday game against our biggest divisional threat.

Cotts will do OK. I'm just a little disappointed that Ozzie mislead us earlier about future Cotts starts.

OEO Magglio
05-18-2004, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by hose
Any chance KW is showcasing Cotts????
No Chance.

OEO Magglio
05-18-2004, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by iwannago
Cotts will do OK. I'm just a little disappointed that Ozzie mislead us earlier about future Cotts starts.
I don't think ozzie mislead anyone. He didn't want to put cotts in the rotation but this is the last resort and needs to be done.

MRKARNO
05-18-2004, 10:28 PM
Coop is on 670 and he said that Cotts will be going only like 2-3 innings and that it will be a bullpen game most likely. Watch Ozzie leave him in for 5

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 10:29 PM
Coop just said that this will be a relief start since he's not stretched out. This sounds like a temporary solution. Unless they are going to attempt to stretch him out. However, Coop said he won't go more than 3 innings. We'll see what happens.

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Coop is on 670 and he said that Cotts will be going only like 2-3 innings and that it will be a bullpen game most likely. Watch Ozzie leave him in for 5 I think they'll be more interested in his pitch count rather than innings pitched. I think he'll go three. Maybe four, but I don't think more than that.

OEO Magglio
05-18-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Coop just said that this will be a relief start since he's not stretched out. This sounds like a temporary solution. Unless they are going to attempt to stretch him out. However, Coop said he won't go more than 3 innings. We'll see what happens.
So basically a cotts to adkins start.

SEALgep
05-18-2004, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by OEO Magglio
So basically a cotts to adkins start. Probably.

compy75
05-18-2004, 10:32 PM
Based on the way we're handling this...I wouldn't be shocked if by next week we have a new SP on the staff.

THE_HOOTER
05-18-2004, 10:40 PM
The Cotts start is a quick fix to try and remain competitive in a big series.

We need Cotts in the bullpen this year--there is no doubt about it.

I have no confidence in Wunsch, and I think Cotts should stick with his role for the rest of the year.

If he strikes out the side in the first 3 innings, then I dont know what the heck to do.

WhiteSox = Life
05-18-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by THE_HOOTER
The Cotts start is a quick fix to try and remain competitive in a big series.

We need Cotts in the bullpen this year--there is no doubt about it.

I have no confidence in Wunsch, and I think Cotts should stick with his role for the rest of the year.

If he strikes out the side in the first 3 innings, then I dont know what the heck to do.

I would argue to broadly smile.

:D:

lowesox
05-18-2004, 10:45 PM
This is probably the most obvious choice, although, I might've tried Rauch first - kind of like "one last shot."

One problem with this move: the sox showed very little respect for Wunsch in the last few weeks. Now they want him to be professional and productive.

hose
05-18-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
This is probably the most obvious choice, although, I might've tried Rauch first - kind of like "one last shot."

One problem with this move: the sox showed very little respect for Wunsch in the last few weeks. Now they want him to be professional and productive.


How did the Sox not show respect?

Wunsch was the one that went on the DL and the had to get his arm strength back up by pitching down at Charlotte.

StockdaleForVeep
05-18-2004, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
Wow, the most amazing news is that Wunsch is back. I thought he was onto something when he thought he'd be dealt.

Let's just hope Cotts doesn't crap his pants in Minny -- a Saturday game against our biggest divisional threat.


Cotts has proven he can relief and possibly be a future closer. I love cotts, he's up there on my list but he hasnt established himself as the starter he's supposed to be. Kim was a established reliever\closer and watch what happened when he began starting.

cheeses_h_rice
05-18-2004, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by hose
How did the Sox not show respect?

Wunsch was the one that went on the DL and the had to get his arm strength back up by pitching down at Charlotte.

I think Wunsch was a bit miffed that he wasn't brought up right away, and I can't argue against his logic. He was ready to go a while ago.

CHISOXFAN13
05-18-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by hose
Any chance KW is showcasing Cotts????

I hope not.

If anything, the Sox will be showcaing Wusnch to prove he can still pitch at this level.

batmanZoSo
05-18-2004, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by ChiSox14305635
Just heard it on JHood's show on the Score.

Diaz looked good to me.

It was utterly stupid not to give Cotts the ball weeks ago when Wright lost his 3rd start. I mean come on, this is a young prospect who's getting guys out, you have to let him start! You can't say he's too good in the bullpen when he's been a dominant starter in the minors. You can find a reliever anywhere, go make a trade.

WSox8404
05-18-2004, 11:41 PM
This is great. Diaz would have gotten shelled against the Twins. And Cotts has proven this year that he can get big league hitters out. I know he hasn't started any games this year, but I think he will do better than Danny and Diaz would. Thank God Ozzie didn't insist on giving Diaz another start to figure it out.

pearso66
05-18-2004, 11:44 PM
I have to agree, I think we are showcasing Wunsch. maybe we are sending him, and Lee over to Seattle for Garcia and Winn

SpringfldFan
05-18-2004, 11:56 PM
I am going on record now as saying that if they keep Cotts in the pen the rest of the year and he keeps that 2 era, you can forget about starting being in any Sox long range plans for him. He will become defined by his bullpen role.

ChiSox14305635
05-18-2004, 11:57 PM
I also believe, among other things, with the shaky job that Marte has been doing, Wunsch should be able to help stabilize the 'pen until Marte works out the kinks. Because right now, he's been horrible.

OurBitchinMinny
05-19-2004, 12:10 AM
Cotts should have been the #5 starter from the beginning. Hes a starter. Starting pitching is more valuable than bullpen guys.. Also Im glad wunsch is up here. Marte has been awful. I just dont understand the deal between ozzie and marte. Did they get off on the wrong foot in ST? Ozzie is treating him like he is some rookie out of the minors. He may have lost velocity, or may not be the same pitcher. But what good does it do to have him in AAA? This is either his chance to solidify the pen or showcase for a trade. Cotts deserves a chance to start and I think he can do the job as a #5. Good luck to him and lets not give up on him if he has one bad start. Also dont give up on diaz. He will be back. Very few pitchers are lights out their first time up.

OurBitchinMinny
05-19-2004, 12:14 AM
I just dont understand why some people are hesitant to start cotts. Arent we grooming him to be a starter? Hes done a solid job out there, with the exception of toronto, but the kid is a starter. We dont need to groom top prospects into bullpen guys. Bottom line, cotts should be a starter. He should have been out of ST. Hes a future #2-4 starter

pearso66
05-19-2004, 12:25 AM
I agree that Cotts is a starter, but the problem with throwing him to the wolves, is he isnt stretched out. If he throws a lot of pitches, and isnt used to it, he is more likely to get injured. Maybe they are working on stretching him out while starting him in the 5 spot. If they basically keep him and Adkins for the 5th day, and after 4-5 starts he is throwing 7 innings, we could be set. Don't we have 12 guys in our pen anyway, so it wouldnt hurt too much. Plus Adkins doesnt pitch too often.

jabrch
05-19-2004, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by hose
Any chance KW is showcasing Cotts????

I hope not.

No - he is likely showcasing Wunsch, however.

jabrch
05-19-2004, 12:28 AM
So Kelly is coming back from Charlotte/injury to try and prove his value. He will be showcased for trade value and would be a well demanded player if he can get lefties out the way he did before he got hurt.

Good Luck Kelly!

That makes a pretty tough pen, actually

CL Koch

RH Politte
RH Takatsu
RH Adkins
RH Jackson
LH Marte
LH Wunsch

Pretty nasty - when taken with our 1-4 starters. Now if Cotts can step up, we could get on a nice roll the next few weeks.

Foulke You
05-19-2004, 12:45 AM
I'm not necessarily opposed to this idea of starting Cotts for a "bullpen start" of most likely Cotts/Adkins however, the TIMING for this type of thing is TERRIBLE!!! If this were a game against the Indians or the Devil Rays, that would be ok but we are playing the Twins in the Metrodome!! A building that has been a house of horrors for our White Sox in recent years.

What happens if Ozzie has to go to the pen a lot in Thursday and Friday's game? It could be real ugly for the Saturday game if Cotts doesn't last and Adkins and the rest of the pen have thrown a lot of innings in the previous two games. I hate to be a glass is half empty type of fan but we shouldn't be experimenting with this in a series as big as the Twins in Minneapolis. I'd just assume skip that start in the rotation and move everyone else up a day. I just see too much risk in burning out the bullpen early in such a huge series only to have to depend on it to pitch the whole game on Saturday.

pudge
05-19-2004, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Foulke You
I'm not necessarily opposed to this idea of starting Cotts for a "bullpen start" of most likely Cotts/Adkins however, the TIMING for this type of thing is TERRIBLE!!! If this were a game against the Indians or the Devil Rays, that would be ok but we are playing the Twins in the Metrodome!! A building that has been a house of horrors for our White Sox in recent years.

What happens if Ozzie has to go to the pen a lot in Thursday and Friday's game? It could be real ugly for the Saturday game if Cotts doesn't last and Adkins and the rest of the pen have thrown a lot of innings in the previous two games. I hate to be a glass is half empty type of fan but we shouldn't be experimenting with this in a series as big as the Twins in Minneapolis. I'd just assume skip that start in the rotation and move everyone else up a day. I just see too much risk in burning out the bullpen early in such a huge series only to have to depend on it to pitch the whole game on Saturday.

This is the most accurate comment about how I feel right now. The only difference is, I'd bring up Rauch and give him a shot, then if that doesn't work, try the Cotts thing later. I'm just not sure where they're going with this... ie, are we trying to stretch Cotts out and make him a starter? Or is this a temporary solution?

Personally, I think Cotts will be much less effective as a starter than he has been out of the pen. I think he was adjusting to his pen role very well, and now he's going into a total different role.

Although I am glad to see Wunsch... I don't know what this guy did to get in the doghouse for a while.

fsphog
05-19-2004, 01:30 AM
so basically kw is trying to prove to billy beane that he doesnt know what hes doing by trading 'big league' pitchers, and that he doesnt want to waste $850K in the minor leagues.

ChiSox14305635
05-19-2004, 01:43 AM
I just dont understand the deal between ozzie and marte. Did they get off on the wrong foot in ST? Ozzie is treating him like he is some rookie out of the minors. He may have lost velocity, or may not be the same pitcher. But what good does it do to have him in AAA?

Did you mean Ozzie & Wunsch?

doublem23
05-19-2004, 02:04 AM
So now that Wunsch has been called up and Cotts is in the rotation, that means we have a bullpen composed of a closer (Koch), 1 middle/long relief/spot-start-in-a-pinch guy (Adkins), and a ****load of specialists (Takatsu, Politte, Wunsch, Jackson, Marte)... Does that concern anyone beside me just a bit? Or am I being too neurotic?

Voice of Reason
05-19-2004, 02:06 AM
I hate to evoke bad memories but is anyone else reminded of 1996 when we shuffled pitcher after pitcher in and out of the five spot in the rotation? Our bullpen was also troublesome that year, falling apart in the second half. Eventually we lost the AL Wild Card to the Orioles by three games. This team has a similar potential to score a lot of runs and similar lack of pitching depth. One silver lining is the 2004 White Sox are never going to run Ozzie Guillen out to short, whereas the 1996 Sox did that 150 times.

soxtalker
05-19-2004, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by doublem23
So now that Wunsch has been called up and Cotts is in the rotation, that means we have a bullpen composed of a closer (Koch), 1 middle/long relief/spot-start-in-a-pinch guy (Adkins), and a ****load of specialists (Takatsu, Politte, Wunsch, Jackson, Marte)... Does that concern anyone beside me just a bit? Or am I being too neurotic?

Could you elaborate for each of these guys on what you mean by "specialist"? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you -- just want to understand your reasoning.

duke of dorwood
05-19-2004, 08:25 AM
Relief pitchers are all "specialists'-ready to pitch up to an inning anytime after the fifth inning. Boy, they dont hesitate to put Cotts in tough spots, do they. Last year, Yankee Stadium, this year, Twinkee Dome. If he's gonna pitch 3 innings, he may as well go 5-he will need multiple days off after that anyway.

Baby Fisk
05-19-2004, 09:00 AM
Saturday PTC = Neil Cotts, I ga-ron-tee!

SEALgep
05-19-2004, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by batmanZoSo
Diaz looked good to me.

It was utterly stupid not to give Cotts the ball weeks ago when Wright lost his 3rd start. I mean come on, this is a young prospect who's getting guys out, you have to let him start! You can't say he's too good in the bullpen when he's been a dominant starter in the minors. You can find a reliever anywhere, go make a trade. Diaz was a dominant starter in the minors as well. Cotts isn't stretched out, that's why they didn't give him the ball. He's still not stretched and is only going to go a few innings.

rahulsekhar
05-19-2004, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
I think Wunsch was a bit miffed that he wasn't brought up right away, and I can't argue against his logic. He was ready to go a while ago.

As demonstrated by what exactly? Reduced arm speed? an ERA of about 4? I cannot for the life of me understand how people think Wunsch was ready "a while ago" when he's still having some issues getting out AAA hitters.

harwar
05-19-2004, 09:43 AM
This is nothing more than desperation mode.
We have to win the series against the Twins.
They don't want to start Cotts yet and they are right.
He's not ready.
I just pray for a solid 3 or 4 innings.
This is just how they brought Buehrle along and he got pretty shelled in his early starts.
KW is going to make a move on a top line pitcher in the near future.
I am more than curious to see who we give up and who for.
As long as it isn't Garcia.I've watched his last 2 starts and he was more than shaky,he got hit hard.

34 Inch Stick
05-19-2004, 09:48 AM
Why would we be showcasing Wunsch? If he does well, we will need him here. If he does poorly, no one will want him.

Good luck on both the moves. I expect Cotts to go 3 and give up 0 runs. However, the first 3 innings rarely tell the story in our games with the Twins.

BigFrankFan
05-19-2004, 09:56 AM
The team has a LONG history in the new millenium of shuffling the 5th starter. Even in 2000 when we last won the div the 5th starter was more often than not Lowe.

This is no surprise. May is all about taking 3 out of 4 from the Twins.
If the team does that they are set to roll through June. Jun & Jul are when most of the bats heat up.

They are running out of guys that were stretched out in ST to be starters. I hope Cotts can get it done. :gulp:

rahulsekhar
05-19-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by BigFrankFan
The team has a LONG history in the new millenium of shuffling the 5th starter. Even in 2000 when we last won the div the 5th starter was more often than not Lowe.



I'm not sure what the actual stats say, but I'd bet this isn't that different from any other team. The 5th starter slot is usually where teams put their prospects to give them a taste of the bigs and see how they can handle it. Since prospects often fail, that mean a rotation of the 5th starter.

Anyone with more time or interest got any data on that?

Cubbiesuck13
05-19-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
Why would we be showcasing Wunsch? If he does well, we will need him here. If he does poorly, no one will want him.

Good luck on both the moves. I expect Cotts to go 3 and give up 0 runs. However, the first 3 innings rarely tell the story in our games with the Twins.


why do we need him here? the bullpen has been great without him. I hope that Cotts does well enough to be our fifth starter so we have a lefthander bullpen controversy in the 'pen. right now tho, Wunsch is the odd man out and will be used in any sort of trade that takes place.

Lip Man 1
05-19-2004, 12:38 PM
According to Ozzie in the papers today he is still insisting that Cotts is not the answer to the 5th starter problem and that he doesn't want to hurt the kid. Sounds to me like a trade is brewing (thank God!)

And again for Rahul's sake just because others teams struggle with the back end of the rotation why does that make it OK for the Sox to have the same problem? (If someone else jumps off a cliff do you follow?) With other teams struggling it doesn't make any sense (except of course financial!) to not try to have someone solid to increase your chances of winning games against other teams 'garbage.'

Lip

Frater Perdurabo
05-19-2004, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
According to Ozzie in the papers today he is still insisting that Cotts is not the answer to the 5th starter problem and that he doesn't want to hurt the kid. Sounds to me like a trade is brewing (thank God!)

And again for Rahul's sake just because others teams struggle with the back end of the rotation why does that make it OK for the Sox to have the same problem? (If someone else jumps off a cliff do you follow?) With other teams struggling it doesn't make any sense (except of course financial!) to not try to have someone solid to increase your chances of winning games against other teams 'garbage.'

Lip

Lip, how do you feel about trading for a legitimate ace so that everyone else gets pushed back one spot? That way Garland is the #5.

rahulsekhar
05-19-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1


And again for Rahul's sake just because others teams struggle with the back end of the rotation why does that make it OK for the Sox to have the same problem? (If someone else jumps off a cliff do you follow?) With other teams struggling it doesn't make any sense (except of course financial!) to not try to have someone solid to increase your chances of winning games against other teams 'garbage.'

Lip

quite simply because unlike in your world Lip, I assume there are financial constraints rather than unlimited resources available.

bigdommer
05-19-2004, 01:21 PM
I agree with Lip about the trade thing. When I first heard about all of this, I immediately was thinking that this was a quick, short term fix. If they wanted Cotts to start they would have done it a week ago. Now, he might only need to start once more until the middle of June. That would buy KW enough time to get a deal done to get a 5th starter. Also, it would showcase Wunsch for teams looking for a lefty specialist.

As far as the trade goes, I would hate to see the Sox to give up a lot for a Garcia or Benson. I saw Garcia pitch last night and he reminds me of a glorified Danny Wright.

Here is what I think will happen: Anaheim has no less than six experienced starting pitchers, and zero lefthanders out of the bullpen. Aaron Sele has started to get starts in favor of Ramon Ortiz, making him the odd man out. Ortiz struggled in his first few starts, causing his ERA to be an inflated 8.75. However, he is a guy who has started 128 games in his career, and won 44 games from 2001-2003. He also wouldn't cost us the prospects that Benson or Garcia would cost. Also, I am sure that they would like to add a lefty like Wunsch to their pen. Not sure about the contract, he makes $3.26 million this year, and an option next year, not sure about the terms for the option.

Lip Man 1
05-19-2004, 09:39 PM
I don't think an ace is going to be available. The only name out there pitching wise that I can remember being a free agent next year is Pedro. Perhaps there are others.

and once again Rahuel is confusing the issue. I never said anything about having a Yankee payroll did I? I guess in your world having a mid sized payroll in a large market and seeing fans not show up because of it constitutes good business sense.

By the way Kenny Rogers could have been had for two million dollars last year, how's that for 'financial restraint?' Jeff Suppan for less then one million.

Think both could have done a better job then Danny Wright and the cast of 5th starter idiots?

Lip

FarWestChicago
05-19-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
By the way Kenny Rogers could have been had for two million dollars last year, how's that for 'financial restraint?' Jeff Suppan for less then one million.

Think both could have done a better job then Danny Wright and the cast of 5th starter idiots?

Lip Damn Lip, I know the Sox took a little wind out of your sails with that ass handing of the Jindjans, but how many times are you going to mention Kenny Rogers and Danny Wright tonight? You are a skilled writer. Get some new material. :smile:

Lip Man 1
05-20-2004, 01:05 PM
West:

When you get off my ass and the Sox actually win something of substance. (Personally I think the second thing will happen first...)

Lip

FarWestChicago
05-20-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
West:

When you get off my ass...

Lip It's not gonna happen, Lip. I stayed off my own board for months because of you and your FOLIPs. Guess what, the hell with you and them. It's my board and my server and if I want to launch a campaign against finger nail on blackboard, redundant, chronic depressive, annoying posting, it's my perogative. If you and the FOLIPs don't like it, that's just too bad. Get some selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or something. I don't care.

LONG LIVE OPTIMISM AND ENJOYING THE MOMENT!!!

MRKARNO
05-20-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by FarWestChicago
It's not gonna happen, Lip. I stayed off my own board for months because of you and your FOLIPs. Guess what, the hell with you and them. It's my board and my server and if I want to launch a campaign against finger nail on blackboard, redundant, chronic depressive, annoying posting, it's my perogative. If you and the FOLIPs don't like it, that's just too bad. Get some selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or something. I don't care.

LONG LIVE OPTIMISM AND ENJOYING THE MOMENT!!!

Post of the Year!!!

maurice
05-20-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Post of the Year!!!

Ditto.

Lip Man 1
05-20-2004, 10:25 PM
West:

:troll

Lip