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hose
05-11-2004, 06:09 PM
I wanted to post this separately because so much has come up about a possible station right at 35th St. just a 1/2 block west of the Cell.

This morning Murph and Fred were talking about some of the calls that Brooks took from Sox fans . Murph thought the idea about a Metra station was excellent , but questioned where the money would come from.

Then a caller said that those tracks on the viaduct 1/2 block west of the Cell were only used for freight trains.

Does anyone know the name of the line and where the tracks for the Metra commuter train are that travel by the Cell?

Where exactly would this Metra station be ....east of the Ryan?

ozzman
05-11-2004, 06:18 PM
the southwest service to orland park goes right by on those tracks to the west of the park

hose
05-11-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by ozzman
the southwest service to orland park goes right by on those tracks to the west of the park


Thats what I thought , but Murph and Fred just assumed the caller was correct.

Sounds like a great idea to put a station there.

LongLiveFisk
05-11-2004, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by hose
Sounds like a great idea to put a station there.

Everyone seemed to be under the impression that only freight trains went past there but they're wrong! I rode in from Oak Lawn once and that's Metra :)

I did e-mail this suggestion to Mr Boyer as well.

BeerHandle
05-11-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by hose
I wanted to post this separately because so much has come up about a possible station right at 35th St. just a 1/2 block west of the Cell.

This morning Murph and Fred were talking about some of the calls that Brooks took from Sox fans . Murph thought the idea about a Metra station was excellent , but questioned where the money would come from.

Then a caller said that those tracks on the viaduct 1/2 block west of the Cell were only used for freight trains.

Does anyone know the name of the line and where the tracks for the Metra commuter train are that travel by the Cell?

Where exactly would this Metra station be ....east of the Ryan?

The caller is wrong. I have a split season package and always park in Lot E (just East of the track and just North of 37th). When I get to the park between 5-5:30 pm I always see the commuter trains go by with passengers.

Isn't both Murph and Fred from Chicago and Fred a Sox fan? Pathetic!

Dub25
05-11-2004, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by ozzman
the southwest service to orland park goes right by on those tracks to the west of the park

This would be a perfect spot for a station. I work for a school district in the Orland/Tinley area and their are a lot of kids wearing sox gear to school. More than Cubs gear. Put a station at 35th maybe the attendance goes up.

owensmouth
05-11-2004, 09:54 PM
It's not gonna happen.

Metra can't afford it, as it would not never pay for itself.

The Orland Park line is a weekday only line. It is also a line that shuts down early.

Not only would the two platforms cost millions pf dollars, Metra would have to add trains and they would never pay for themselves.

Adding an additional train isn't like adding a bus. The train may have it's own tracks, but how many other lines does it cross?

It's just not realistic.

BeerHandle
05-11-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Dub25
This would be a perfect spot for a station. I work for a school district in the Orland/Tinley area and their are a lot of kids wearing sox gear to school. More than Cubs gear. Put a station at 35th maybe the attendance goes up.

As Russell the Beer Man says, "GOD BLESS AMERICA!"

cubhater
05-11-2004, 10:00 PM
What about adding a station east of The Cell on 35th? The projects are gone and it's an area with lots of potential and development planned for it.

Dub25
05-11-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by owensmouth
It's not gonna happen.

Metra can't afford it, as it would not never pay for itself.

The Orland Park line is a weekday only line. It is also a line that shuts down early.

Not only would the two platforms cost millions pf dollars, Metra would have to add trains and they would never pay for themselves.

Adding an additional train isn't like adding a bus. The train may have it's own tracks, but how many other lines does it cross?

It's just not realistic.

No offense but you live in Cali. How would you know this? I'm nowhere near an expert at this stuff but wouldn't a little help from the mayor and Reinsdorf help make this thing happen?

owensmouth
05-12-2004, 02:45 AM
Yes, I live in California. But I was born in Chicago and raised in LaGrange. I have always been interested in trains, And I've always been a White Sox fan.

Heck, I used to take the Burlington in to Union Station to go to the Sox games.

If you go to the Metra website they have the schedules posted and that's where I determined that the Orland Park line closes early (the last train out of Union Station is scheduled to leave at
8:30) and that there are no trains scheduled om the weekends.

Putting in a couple of platforms is enormously expensive. Remember, you have to have two, an eastbound and a westbound. They would have to meet all the safety requirements of city, state and federal regulations. And they have to be maintained by Metra, because it would be Metra's responsibility.

The train would need (probably) two conductors and an engineer.
It would have to be cleaned before and after the trip. I would expect that it would consist of two cars and one engine.

How much does it cost Metra to run a train from Orland Park to downtown? I cannot tell you. But it's not cheap.

But this is not just one train, it's 81 trains a year. Forget about using your monthly pass, this is a special, an unscheduled train.
For the folks riding the train, it'd be cheaper than driving to the Cell and parking, true.

Now, how many people would be riding those trains, every day? Enough to justify it? I seriously doubt it.

But there's another big problem. I don't know what other traffic goes on those tracks to Orland Park (and beyond). But there's a lot of train traffic in the city of Chicago already, at all hours of the day and night.

A special train, running on unscheduled hours is going to be meeting up with other trains, both commuter and freight. Who is going to have the right of way? A lot of tracks cross each other in the city of Chicago and the suburbs. Trains get delayed.

I, personally, would love to see someone do this. Heck, if you can run in a train from Orland Park, you could run one in from Aurora, have it turn south as it approaches Union Station, and pull up at Comiskey Station. Metra owns the tracks.

Yes, Metra owns their tracks, but they have to live with the freight railroads who also have the rights to them.

So, how many additional fannies would you be able to put into the Cell for every game? If you could guarantee 100 per game, you might have a chance. 200 and you'd have a great chance.

But will that suburbanite drive his car to his local station and take the train? Or will he just drive to the Cell?

35th & Shields
05-12-2004, 03:57 AM
Dear Owensmouth,

Metra has a "full-time" train line that runs from Joliet to LaSalle Street Station in Chicago. This train is known as the "Rock Island District" line. It also stops in New Lenox, Mokena, Tinley Park, Oak Forest, Midlothian, Robbins, Blue Island, and multiple stations in Chicago. Trains run seven days a week from early morning (Monday-Friday beginning at 5:04am), and return from Chicago late (Monday-Saturday the last train leaves LaSalle Street Station at 12:30am).

This train does pass U.S. Cellular Field on the aforementioned tracks. I know this because I rode this train for over ten years when I used to work out of the Sears Tower.

A Metra station at 35th Street is a very real possibility. In fact, I would be surprised if it did not happen. Time will tell.

gosox41
05-12-2004, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by 35th & Shields
Dear Owensmouth,

Metra has a "full-time" train line that runs from Joliet to LaSalle Street Station in Chicago. This train is known as the "Rock Island District" line. It also stops in New Lenox, Mokena, Tinley Park, Oak Forest, Midlothian, Robbins, Blue Island, and multiple stations in Chicago. Trains run seven days a week from early morning (Monday-Friday beginning at 5:04am), and return from Chicago late (Monday-Saturday the last train leaves LaSalle Street Station at 12:30am).

This train does pass U.S. Cellular Field on the aforementioned tracks. I know this because I rode this train for over ten years when I used to work out of the Sears Tower.

A Metra station at 35th Street is a very real possibility. In fact, I would be surprised if it did not happen. Time will tell.

For what it's worth, the Sox have been trying to get a metra station near Comiksey since before the new park was open. I don't know enough details of where or anything, but the Sox have been polticing for it. If it hasn't happened yet, there's doubts of it ever happening.


Bob

wdelaney72
05-12-2004, 07:15 AM
If Uncle JR has been lobbying for this to happen and it hasn't yet, I'm sure it's a money issue. Yes, putting in a new station is a lot of money. The Sox would be the only real beneficiary to the station. If it's ever going to happen, Jerry better plan helping fund the construction. I'm sure this will happen someday, but who knows when.

I live in the far Northern Suburbs, so taking the Metra isn't much of an option for me, but I would imagine it would be a big plus for south suburb fans.

gosox41
05-12-2004, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by wdelaney72
If Uncle JR has been lobbying for this to happen and it hasn't yet, I'm sure it's a money issue. Yes, putting in a new station is a lot of money. The Sox would be the only real beneficiary to the station. If it's ever going to happen, Jerry better plan helping fund the construction. I'm sure this will happen someday, but who knows when.

I live in the far Northern Suburbs, so taking the Metra isn't much of an option for me, but I would imagine it would be a big plus for south suburb fans.

I have friends that live in the northern suburbs and take the metra in for Friday night games to avoid the awful traffic. They catch like a 5:15 train and get downtown by 5:45-6. After the game we stay out drinking until they have to catch the 12:30 train.

Not a bad way to go. Either I pick them up at the station or they hope a cab, which is cheaper then parking.


Bob

ozzman
05-12-2004, 07:50 AM
The rock island line goes east of the dan ryan and into the lasalle street station. the orland park line has been saying for a while that they are going to increase the number of trains and make it run later and also include weekends. but we will believe that when we see it

GoSox2K3
05-12-2004, 09:30 AM
Metra mentioned "looking into" the feasibility of a Comiskey stop in a past newsletter. I wouldn't say it's impossible - Metra seems to have a number of other city stops that aren't exactly high volume. They wouldn't need to run extra trains just for the Sox games, they already have trains going by the park and could have those existing trains make an extra stop. With new residential units taking shape in the near future east of the Ryan, maybe there will be more justification for a stop in that neighborhood.

Has anyone thought about other public transit options for suburbanites? What about an express bus from USCF to Union and Oglive Station that runs after Sox games? That would be cheaper to implement than a new train stop and would serve fans on other lines. This might be more appealing than taking the redline to State and Jackson and then walking through the loop at 11:00pm to Union Station.

How about an express bus to a park and ride location in Orland Park?

I'm just throwing ideas out there.

BeerHandle
05-12-2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by GoSox2K3
Metra mentioned "looking into" the feasibility of a Comiskey stop in a past newsletter. I wouldn't say it's impossible - Metra seems to have a number of other city stops that aren't exactly high volume. They wouldn't need to run extra trains just for the Sox games, they already have trains going by the park and could have those existing trains make an extra stop. With new residential units taking shape in the near future east of the Ryan, maybe there will be more justification for a stop in that neighborhood.

Has anyone thought about other public transit options for suburbanites? What about an express bus from USCF to Union and Oglive Station that runs after Sox games? That would be cheaper to implement than a new train stop and would serve fans on other lines. This might be more appealing than taking the redline to State and Jackson and then walking through the loop at 11:00pm to Union Station.

How about an express bus to a park and ride location in Orland Park?

I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Thinking outside the box - I like it.

I do think a Metra Stop, although would cost a lot of $$$, would be a great think for the Sox. The station could have an old fashioned (retro) look.

pcullotta
05-12-2004, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
For what it's worth, the Sox have been trying to get a metra station near Comiksey since before the new park was open. I don't know enough details of where or anything, but the Sox have been polticing for it. If it hasn't happened yet, there's doubts of it ever happening.


Bob

Currently, the SouthWest Service Line is in the middle of an expansion project. Right now, past Palos there is only one track so there can't be as many trains as there are on other lines. They are going to build the second track and increase the number of trains. I also heard they were going to run later and have weekend service when the project is done. They were also going to add a few more stations once they have more trains running on the line. That is when they would have the best chance of adding the station there.

miker
05-12-2004, 11:32 AM
I think the facts seem to have been eventually squeezed out by the previous posts, but let me jump on (which you should never do with a moving train, but that's another topic entirely...):

- The line west of the ballpark is used by Metra's SouthWest Service which will be expanding down to Manhattan (IL) and increasing frequency starting in 2006. I am not sure if the increased frequency will include weekend service.

- The line east of the ballpark and on the other side of the Dan Ryan is the Rock Island District to Joliet. Service is rather frequent and does run on weekends.

- As part of the SouthWest Service expansion, Metra is trying to figure out how to move SWS trains from the south end of Union Station to LaSalle Street Station, where the Rock Island trains terminate and has the extra capacity. One of the SWS's problems is several busy freight lines it must cross. One past proposal was to link the two lines with a line through a park in Englewood, which the residents (rightfully) didn't like. If this does happen, it wouldn't make sense to build the station on the west side of the ballpark.

- An actual station wouldn't be needed, just some flat pavement with safety railings to load/unload passengers. However, since either set of tracks are up on an embankment, something will have to be put in place to comply with Americans With Disabilities laws.

- Metra used to run dedicated trains for Arlington Park and still does for Ravinia. So it can be done.

- Someone has got to pay.

Bottom line: I'd like it -- I'd use it. But are there enough others like me to convince the Sox and/or the government to fund it?

owensmouth
05-12-2004, 03:48 PM
You might also consider going to Congressman Jesse Jackson. It was his activities that got Metra off their collective duff about the southwest side expansion of Metra.

Tekijawa
05-12-2004, 04:16 PM
They'll need a Metra Stop there when they put the New Casino a few blocks away!

nasox
05-12-2004, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
I have friends that live in the northern suburbs and take the metra in for Friday night games to avoid the awful traffic. They catch like a 5:15 train and get downtown by 5:45-6. After the game we stay out drinking until they have to catch the 12:30 train.

Not a bad way to go. Either I pick them up at the station or they hope a cab, which is cheaper then parking.


Bob

I'm not sure how your north suburbs friends get to the games by train. They take Metra to Union Station I assume, or some other downtown station. Then what do they do? I really am not sure how they go as switching to a different station would be really long and not worth the time and effort. Please explain.

Hondo
05-12-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
They'll need a Metra Stop there when they put the New Casino a few blocks away!


LOL. That's what we need a casino across the street from Comsikular

rdivaldi
05-12-2004, 05:27 PM
On a related note fellas I was reading the official recommendations report for improvements on the south side of the city, and one of the recommendations was to make a Metra stop and a connecting bridge at the Cermak Red Line station and the Metra line. For those not familiar, the Red Line and Metra line basically run side by side for a couple of miles in that area.

This suggestion would allow people to switch between Metra and Red Line at one big Cermak station, which would be good for Sox fans.

For all you suburbanites I hope they make that a reality.

gosox41
05-12-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by nasox
I'm not sure how your north suburbs friends get to the games by train. They take Metra to Union Station I assume, or some other downtown station. Then what do they do? I really am not sure how they go as switching to a different station would be really long and not worth the time and effort. Please explain.

They don't do it often but more then a handful of times over the past few years. Mostly on Friday night's.

They get off at Union Station and if I'm going to the game I pick them up. If I'm not (or we meet there) they just hop a cab from Union Station.

I think they said it's about an $8-9 cab ride (though they've been doing this for a few years). Considering parking is $16, this is the same money, without traffic it's cheaper. It's also a lot less stressful then sitting on the Kennedy or Edens at about 5pm on a Friday.

Bob

anewman35
05-12-2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by nasox
I'm not sure how your north suburbs friends get to the games by train. They take Metra to Union Station I assume, or some other downtown station. Then what do they do? I really am not sure how they go as switching to a different station would be really long and not worth the time and effort. Please explain.

I actually often take Metra to Union Station, then walk a few blocks to the Blue line, take that a few stops to the Red line, and that to the park. It's easy, really.

hose
05-12-2004, 06:30 PM
For the April 15th day game against KC I took public transportation.

I jumped on the Metra from Mount Prospect to Ogilive Station and walk down to State street to the Red Line and got off at 35th/Dan Ryan.

I could have taken the Green line from Ogilive and got off at the Bronzville stop. I wasn't 100% sure on what I had to do for the Green Line so I stuck with what I knew best and walked it to State St. for the Red Line.

After the game I took the Red Line to Washington and transfered to the Blue Line . I took the Blue Line to Jefferson Park and switched to the Metra and got off at Mount Prospect and walked home.

I could also drive to the Rosemont park and ride and jump on the Blue Line.

I wish the CTA still had the old A and B trains to cut down on the stops.

Senerch23
05-12-2004, 06:39 PM
I am a transportation planning student at UIC. Frank Krusei from the CTA was a guest speaker for one of my classes and he said the board for the CTA, Metra and Pace are all based on morning boardings. The percentage of boardings for each county (and I believe Chicago is by itself in this) in the RTA gets that percentage of seats on the board. The Metra board is controlled by the suburban counties and they are very reluctant to add new stations inside city limits.
Stops that are already built in the city are safe because you cannot politically remove a station without a ton of backlash but getting a new station is tough. The job growth in the areas where these lines end has exploded and would provide for a reverse commute opportunity for many south side residents and thus increase morning boardings in the city. The future of the planned CTA Circle Line is a question mark because the plan is to connect with a station to each Metra line that it crosses.

Frater Perdurabo
05-12-2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Senerch23
I am a transportation planning student at UIC. Frank Krusei from the CTA was a guest speaker for one of my classes and he said the board for the CTA, Metra and Pace are all based on morning boardings. The percentage of boardings for each county (and I believe Chicago is by itself in this) in the RTA gets that percentage of seats on the board. The Metra board is controlled by the suburban counties and they are very reluctant to add new stations inside city limits.
Stops that are already built in the city are safe because you cannot politically remove a station without a ton of backlash but getting a new station is tough. The job growth in the areas where these lines end has exploded and would provide for a reverse commute opportunity for many south side residents and thus increase morning boardings in the city. The future of the planned CTA Circle Line is a question mark because the plan is to connect with a station to each Metra line that it crosses.

Welcome aboard! :)

As a prospective professional transportation planner, can you talk about the idea of a 35th Street stop on the Rock Island and/or the Southwest Service Line, apart from the political aspects? What would the RTA expect to spend to construct either station, or both? What kind of impetus could either station be to retail and residential development in and around the Cell?