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balboner
05-10-2004, 03:29 PM
I don't get what the hell is going on right now with the Sox. With the Twins coming up, Wunsch should definitely be called up, and Adkins sent down. Twins have a lot of lefty hitters that Wunsch could help out with. Also, Grilli is not a very good pitcher at all. I will go on record and predict he wont come close to getting through 5 innings vs the Twins. These moves are so typical Sox, it's frustrating.

Randar68
05-10-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by balboner
I don't get what the hell is going on right now with the Sox. With the Twins coming up, Wunsch should definitely be called up, and Adkins sent down. Twins have a lot of lefty hitters that Wunsch could help out with. Also, Grilli is not a very good pitcher at all. I will go on record and predict he wont come close to getting through 5 innings vs the Twins. These moves are so typical Sox, it's frustrating.

Again, why should Wunsch be recalled if he's throwing over 5 mph slower than the past and having some struggles in AAA????

Baseball isn't a feel-good industry for its players, it's a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" industry. People need to move on about Kelly Wunsch unless he get's his arm straightened away.

poorme
05-10-2004, 03:36 PM
well, his AAA stats look ok. 6 innings, 6 hits, 2 BB, 8 K's. I doubt if Adkins could do that in little league.

Randar68
05-10-2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by poorme
well, his AAA stats look ok. 6 innings, 6 hits, 2 BB, 8 K's. I doubt if Adkins could do that in little league.

As a spot reliever? Maybe you need to look up Adkins' stats from last season as a starter. They weren't too shabby. Kelly is a single-use reliver and there are 2, count 'em, 2 others currently in the bullpen fully capable of doing that role and more.

Think with your heads, not your hearts, folks.

DaveIsHere
05-10-2004, 03:43 PM
OK, but then why will the bring up Grilli instead of Diaz, Grilli fits in with all of his walks, but Diaz is pitching very well. So how does it work her, the worse you do the sooner you get to the south side?? Another stupid move is imminent.

joecrede
05-10-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Again, why should Wunsch be recalled if he's throwing over 5 mph slower than the past and having some struggles in AAA????

Baseball isn't a feel-good industry for its players, it's a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" industry. People need to move on about Kelly Wunsch unless he get's his arm straightened away.

Yep. I don't understand the infatuation with Wunsch either. He is not the remedy for what ails our bullpen.

Voice of Reason
05-10-2004, 03:47 PM
I wouldn't mind having Wunsch on the roster to be a lefty specialist. Cotts and Marte may be capable of the job but they have also been our two best relievers thus far and it would be a waste to use either of them against just one batter. Wunsch could take the lefty one out guy role and leave Marte and Cotts to pitch an inning or two at a time. Also, Adkins has walked eight batters in nine innings, that is a little scary.

poorme
05-10-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
As a spot reliever? Maybe you need to look up Adkins' stats from last season as a starter. They weren't too shabby. Kelly is a single-use reliver and there are 2, count 'em, 2 others currently in the bullpen fully capable of doing that role and more.

Think with your heads, not your hearts, folks.

That's a joke. No, actually Adkins is a joke. 34 baserunners in 19 major league innings.

CubKilla
05-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by DaveIsHere
Another stupid move is imminent.

I'm numb to the "stupid" moves perpetrated by this Organization. In fact, I've come to expect it.

mikef1331
05-10-2004, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
I wouldn't mind having Wunsch on the roster to be a lefty specialist. Cotts and Marte may be capable of the job but they have also been our two best relievers thus far and it would be a waste to use either of them against just one batter. Wunsch could take the lefty one out guy role and leave Marte and Cotts to pitch an inning or two at a time. Also, Adkins has walked eight batters in nine innings, that is a little scary.

Actually, Shingo has been the best Sox relief pitcher so far.

Randar68
05-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
I wouldn't mind having Wunsch on the roster to be a lefty specialist. Cotts and Marte may be capable of the job but they have also been our two best relievers thus far and it would be a waste to use either of them against just one batter. Wunsch could take the lefty one out guy role and leave Marte and Cotts to pitch an inning or two at a time. Also, Adkins has walked eight batters in nine innings, that is a little scary.

Why have a guy on the roster to face one or 2 batters at a time when you have 2 guys capable of going an inning or 2 with equal effectiveness against a lefty and better effectiveness versus righties?

Voice of Reason
05-10-2004, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Why have a guy on the roster to face one or 2 batters at a time when you have 2 guys capable of going an inning or 2 with equal effectiveness against a lefty and better effectiveness versus righties?

Sorry I worded that poorly. I'm not suggesting you replace one of those guys with Wunsch, I'm giving those guys credit for how good they are. I'm suggesting we replace Adkins with Wunsch.

Randar68
05-10-2004, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
But I'm not suggesting you replace one of those guys with Wunsch, I'm giving those guys credit for how good they are. I'm suggesting we replace Adkins with Wunsch. Whats the point of having him on roster?

3 lefty specialists is too many IMO when you have only 6-7 bullpen spots available and one is to a shaky closer. Replacing Adkins leaves you NO righties capable of long-relief. How disastrous would it be if Cotts pitched 2 innings one day, and the next game a starter is out after 2 innings? You'd blow your whole bullpen in that game alone!

Voice of Reason
05-10-2004, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
3 lefty specialists is too many IMO when you have only 6-7 bullpen spots available and one is to a shaky closer. Replacing Adkins leaves you NO righties capable of long-relief. How disastrous would it be if Cotts pitched 2 innings one day, and the next game a starter is out after 2 innings? You'd blow your whole bullpen in that game alone!

But Cotts and Marte aren't "lefty specialists" they are relief pitchers who can be counted on to get batters out. Well, Marte is, Cotts is tied with Takatsu for being as close as we have to a good reliever after Marte. Either way, you can carry three lefties if two of them are good for getting righties out.

Randar68
05-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
But Cotts and Marte aren't "lefty specialists" they are relief pitchers who can be counted on to get batters out. Well, Marte is, Cotts is tied with Takatsu for being as close as we have to a good reliever after Marte. Either way, you can carry three lefties if two of them are good for getting righties out.

You didn't answer my question of having no long-relief guys in the bullpen outside of the lefty, Cotts.

Wunsch is extremely limited in the situations where he is useful. Instead of using 2 or 3 pitchers to get out of an inning when they throw PH's up there late, you can leave Cotts or Marte in there the whole inning.

This lefty-specialist role is being over-emphasized and glorified here to some degree. If you have 2 lefties in you pen who are VERY effective against other lefties, there's absolutely no need to have a 3rd just to get lefties out. It's not a luxury afforded to you by the 25-man roster.

JRIG
05-10-2004, 05:03 PM
Wunsch doesn't have to be a lefty specialist if his manager uses him correctly.

Last year he allowed lefties to hit .127 and righties .153. In his career, lefties hit .180 off him and righties .240. His K/BB ratio against righties is pretty bad, though. 45 BB to 43 Ks in about 70 career innings.

By comparison, Billy Koch has allowed right-handed hitters to bat .243 off him in his career.