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MJL_Sox_Fan
05-05-2004, 11:38 PM
Like many of you I don't know I should be happy that the Sox have played in and won so many 1 run games. If you follow ESPN logic as stated in their power rankings, it has to end and is a sign the Sox are not as good as there record. I disagree, in 1959 the Sox played in 50 1 run games, winning 35. I think it takes a little bit if luck and lot of good play to go all the way.

inta
05-06-2004, 12:12 AM
forget espn's "logic".

they probably have rick sutcliffe writing those power rankings.
yes logic dictates we wont keep such a high win percentage in 1 run games. but who's to say as the weather warms up and our pitchers and offense hit full stride that we wont need to worry about 1 run games?

Realist
05-06-2004, 07:45 AM
My nerves may be shot but I ain't dead yet. Besides, who you callin' a horse? :D:

DaveIsHere
05-06-2004, 08:55 AM
It is great that we are winning these games. We are winning while every one is not up to speed, it should be considered a good thing. We wouldn't have pulled these games out last year. These are the victories that we need, you have to win these games, these are the games last year, that we lost, that helpded cause our demise. Be happy.

Tragg
05-06-2004, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by MJL_Sox_Fan
Like many of you I don't know I should be happy that the Sox have played in and won so many 1 run games. If you follow ESPN logic as stated in their power rankings, it has to end and is a sign the Sox are not as good as there record. I disagree, in 1959 the Sox played in 50 1 run games, winning 35. I think it takes a little bit if luck and lot of good play to go all the way.

Yea, but for many of these games (last 2, eg) we had these teams beat and the only reason they were close is a couple of backdoor runs when koch was being wild. It's not like these were nip and tuck games

nasox
05-06-2004, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by MJL_Sox_Fan
Like many of you I don't know I should be happy that the Sox have played in and won so many 1 run games. If you follow ESPN logic as stated in their power rankings, it has to end and is a sign the Sox are not as good as there record. I disagree, in 1959 the Sox played in 50 1 run games, winning 35. I think it takes a little bit if luck and lot of good play to go all the way.

Not that I totally disagree with your point, but in 1959, baseball was a different game. One run games were more common than today. There weren't the steroid and technologically (bats, etc.) advanced game we have today. Plus, there was no DH back then. In 59, I don't think it was too crazy for a team to play 50 one run games.

daveeym
05-06-2004, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Tragg
Yea, but for many of these games (last 2, eg) we had these teams beat and the only reason they were close is a couple of backdoor runs when koch was being wild. It's not like these were nip and tuck games

Damn Skippy!

TDog
05-06-2004, 12:38 PM
How many times have you heard an announcer for an underachieving team talking about one-run losses as an example of how close the team is? "We're in every game," I can still hear them saying.

I don't believe the one-run-loss total as any sort of consolation prize. If one-run games are games that could go either way (losing by four in extra innings to the Indians and losing by two to KC in the bottom of the ninth on opening day both might as well have been one-run games by that reasoning) a good team is the team that wins a lot of those games. Arguments about whether such wins build character could be made, but it's about winning as many as you can. We've won those games, now we have to go out and win some more.

jordan23ventura
05-06-2004, 04:37 PM
The playoffs are all about 1-run games. A new center fielder, decent no. 5 starter, and another arm in the bullpen later and we will be more than capable to bring it to any team on their best night.

MJL_Sox_Fan
05-07-2004, 02:57 AM
I don't know if 1 run games are less likely to occur these days. The Sox played in 40 last year, winning only 18. Florida played in 53 1 run games, winning 30. See below for each teams record from 2003. I think the cubs and red sox are interesting they both posted the best record in 1 run games in 2003. Generally, I think the Sox recent success is a positive, but look at Cincinnati, Milwaukee, San Diego, and Arizona from last year. They were all over .500 in 1 run games. Even Detroit was over .500 in 1 run games. Conversely, I think the overall trend is over .500 in 1 run games is correlated with greater overall success. But it is a weak correlation.

American League 1-RUN
NY Yankees 21-14
Boston 26-16
Toronto 14-23
Baltimore 21-22
Tampa Bay 23-27
Minnesota 22-20
Chicago Sox 18-22
Kansas City 18-22
Cleveland 15-25
Detroit 19-18
Oakland 25-20
Seattle 16-15
Anaheim 16-20
Texas 17-20
Atlanta 17-25
Florida 30-23
Philadelphia 20-18
Montreal 22-24
NY Mets 15-27
Chicago Cubs 27-17
Houston 19-21
St. Louis 14-25
Pittsburgh 24-27
Cincinnati 30-21
Milwaukee 24-21
San Francisco 28-12
Los Angeles 26-23
Arizona 30-25
Colorado 17-22
San Diego 21-20

henchmanUK
05-07-2004, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by jordan23ventura
The playoffs are all about 1-run games. A new center fielder, decent no. 5 starter, and another arm in the bullpen later and we will be more than capable to bring it to any team on their best night.

Agree with that. The playoffs are about winning games in the clutch and if we can get in the habit of that then it should benefit the team in the post-season.