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Ken
05-03-2004, 11:47 PM
When our starting pitcher is on a roll and six outs away from a victory, why is it necessary to bring in our late inning "specialists"?

It's a cold, damp night in Baltimore and you don't know how a new pitcher is going to respond. Seems to me that the smart thing is to stay with what's working, until trouble develops. But, I suppose the almighty "pitch count" comes in to play!

I would stay with the starter until he shows signs that he is losing control of the game. Jerry Manual was a good one for pulling starters just because you are "supposed" to have specialists to finish the game. I was hoping that Oz wouldn't be so quick to pull a starter who is six outs away and in control.

Jerko
05-03-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Ken
When our starting pitcher is on a roll and six outs away from a victory, why is it necessary to bring in our late inning "specialists"?

It's a cold, damp night in Baltimore and you don't know how a new pitcher is going to respond. Seems to me that the smart thing is to stay with what's working, until trouble develops. But, I suppose the almighty "pitch count" comes in to play!

I would stay with the starter until he shows signs that he is losing control of the game. Jerry Manual was a good one for pulling starters just because you are "supposed" to have specialists to finish the game. I was hoping that Oz wouldn't be so quick to pull a starter who is six outs away and in control.

I don't really care about complete games, per se, but I am annoyed about using FIVE pitchers in a game that was 5-1 going into the 8th inning.

Thigpen Rules
05-03-2004, 11:50 PM
I agree with you a thousand percent.

Freddy garcia this year has pitched 3-4 GEMS, i mean 1 or no runs in 8th & they pull him and every time the pen blew the lead.

This happens all around the majors. Some horses can still go the ditance but managers go by the book toooooo much & HAVE to go to the pen. Art Howe in NY never lets a pitcher go past the 6th & their pen is HORRID

I like what Ozzie is doing, he leaves em in there lomger than other managers do, he has faith in our staters & Im sure well seee a few CG from our staff before the years out

jordan23ventura
05-03-2004, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Ken
When our starting pitcher is on a roll and six outs away from a victory, why is it necessary to bring in our late inning "specialists"?

It's a cold, damp night in Baltimore and you don't know how a new pitcher is going to respond. Seems to me that the smart thing is to stay with what's working, until trouble develops. But, I suppose the almighty "pitch count" comes in to play!

I would stay with the starter until he shows signs that he is losing control of the game. Jerry Manual was a good one for pulling starters just because you are "supposed" to have specialists to finish the game. I was hoping that Oz wouldn't be so quick to pull a starter who is six outs away and in control.


So far, Damaso and Shingo have proven themselves more worthy of late inning opportunities than Kotch. Why Ozzie used them up right away I don't know, because as a Sox fan you have to realize that unless we have an 8 run lead or more there's cause for worry if Kotch is pitching the 9th.

MRKARNO
05-03-2004, 11:52 PM
Because nowadays you dont start the inning with a starter who has 100+ pitches. It's just a fact of baseball these days. No one is going to go out there and throw 150 pitch Complete games. On the other side of town when Prior threw 141 pitches that was absolutely an insane amount of pitches to leave a guy out for. Teams also care more about the health of a pitcher's arm these days.

Compared to other managers, Guillen leaves his pitchers in long.