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Bisco Stu
05-03-2004, 04:07 AM
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, but FOX Sports Radio too???

If Frank ain't a first ballot HOF'er, then Cooperstown is a porn theater.

Dan Gelo
05-03-2004, 04:13 AM
yeah, I just listened to that. He may not be a first ballot guy, but I think if he continues he'll certainly be close.

TommyJohn
05-03-2004, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, but FOX Sports Radio too???

If Frank ain't a first ballot HOF'er, then Cooperstown is a porn theater.

I'd like to know the reason he says that. Did he give any?

SSN721
05-03-2004, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, but FOX Sports Radio too???

If Frank ain't a first ballot HOF'er, then Cooperstown is a porn theater.

I think as long as it isnt an outstanding class when he comes up, there is no question he is a first-ballot HOFer. That is just a ridiculous comment.

hsnterprize
05-03-2004, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, but FOX Sports Radio too???

If Frank ain't a first ballot HOF'er, then Cooperstown is a porn theater. I caught the tail-end of the conversation on my way to work this morning. The caller was asking why Jim wasn't talking about the White Sox...Jim said in so many words that no one cares about the Sox, and that, and I quote him..."Everybody loves the Cubs in Chicago." Jim also asked why so few people go to the Cell, and the caller said the ballpark is a "morgue."

Boy...does that Brooks Boyer have some serious image problems with the Sox to deal with...not just locally, but NATIONALLY and INTERNATIONALLY. All this "Cubs good, Sox bad" hype has reared its ugly head, and it's time for the Sox to chop that head off.

samram
05-03-2004, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, but FOX Sports Radio too???

If Frank ain't a first ballot HOF'er, then Cooperstown is a porn theater.

Did he say something that made it seem that he didn't think Frank was a HOF'er for racial reasons? I think Frank is a Hall of Famer, but if someone else doesn't, that doesn't make them racist- just someone with a different opinion. By your logic, if someone said Cecilio Guante wasn't a Hall of Famer, they would be racist too.

Paulwny
05-03-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by TommyJohn
I'd like to know the reason he says that. Did he give any?


There are still many older and some younger sports' writers on the selection committee who have stated they will never vote a dh into the hof. They consider these players as one-way players.
It doesn't make sense but I heard this view expressed a few times. I don't remember any of these writers names.

batmanZoSo
05-03-2004, 12:21 PM
They should start taking votes away, this is bullcrap.

How could you just refuse to vote for a DH? They've been part of the game for 30 years.

Okay, if I become a sportswriter and get a vote, I'm not voting for shortstops.

It would be a travesty if Frank wasn't voted in first ballot. Only a handful of players have a higher on base percentage than him and they're all lefties.

Deadguy
05-03-2004, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Paulwny
There are still many older and some younger sports' writers on the selection committee who have stated they will never vote a dh into the hof. They consider these players as one-way players.
It doesn't make sense but I heard this view expressed a few times. I don't remember any of these writers names.

Why do these mediots get to decide who is or isn't worthy of being in the Hall of Fame?

john2499
05-03-2004, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
a HOF'er.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Wow, I know FOX News is a racist/reactionary/proto-fascistic pile of propaganda, .

Just how do you KNOW this ?

hold2dibber
05-03-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by john2499
Just how do you KNOW this ?

All you have to do is watch a little FOX News and you'll know.

hold2dibber
05-03-2004, 01:12 PM
Daniels' e-mail address is: jimdaniels@foxsports.com

Here's the e-mail I wrote to him:


Here's a comparison of the seasonal (162-game) averages of four players:

Player A: 110 Rs, 37 HRs, 122 RBIs, .428 OBP, .996 OPS, 94 Ks
Player B: 106 Rs, 43 HRs, 117 RBIs, .349 OBP, .895 OPS, 159 Ks
Player C: 89 Rs, 32 HRs, 98 RBIs, .356 OBP, .846 OPS, 149 Ks
Player D: 87 Rs, 27 HRs, 103 RBIs, .359 OBP, .835 OPS, 81 Ks

Player A has 2 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player B has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player C has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player D has 0 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.

Guess which of these 4 players Mr. Radio Show Genius says is NOT a hall of famer? Player A.

Player A is Frank Thomas.
Player B is Sammy Sosa.
Player C is Reggie Jackson.
Player D is Eddie Murray.

I'm sure you'll agree, if Frank isn't a hall of famer, that neither is Sosa, right? And that Jackson and Murray should be kicked out of the hall? Frank's numbers are clearly better than any of those other guys.

Claiming that Frank Thomas is not a hall of famer is absolutely indefensible. He is one of the best 10 to 15 hitters of all time. Gee, could it be that the national media's love affair with all things-Cub and the inaccurate but prevalent belief that no one in Chicago cares about the Sox might have influenced your opinion? Because the actual FACTS clearly played no role in your opinion.

Foulke You
05-03-2004, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Daniels' e-mail address is: jimdaniels@foxsports.com

Here's the e-mail I wrote to him:


Here's a comparison of the seasonal (162-game) averages of four players:

Player A: 110 Rs, 37 HRs, 122 RBIs, .428 OBP, .996 OPS, 94 Ks
Player B: 106 Rs, 43 HRs, 117 RBIs, .349 OBP, .895 OPS, 159 Ks
Player C: 89 Rs, 32 HRs, 98 RBIs, .356 OBP, .846 OPS, 149 Ks
Player D: 87 Rs, 27 HRs, 103 RBIs, .359 OBP, .835 OPS, 81 Ks

Player A has 2 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player B has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player C has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player D has 0 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.

Guess which of these 4 players Mr. Radio Show Genius says is NOT a hall of famer? Player A.

Player A is Frank Thomas.
Player B is Sammy Sosa.
Player C is Reggie Jackson.
Player D is Eddie Murray.

I'm sure you'll agree, if Frank isn't a hall of famer, that neither is Sosa, right? And that Jackson and Murray should be kicked out of the hall? Frank's numbers are clearly better than any of those other guys.

Claiming that Frank Thomas is not a hall of famer is absolutely indefensible. He is one of the best 10 to 15 hitters of all time. Gee, could it be that the national media's love affair with all things-Cub and the inaccurate but prevalent belief that no one in Chicago cares about the Sox might have influenced your opinion? Because the actual FACTS clearly played no role in your opinion.

Well said, Dibber. I doubt you'll get an intelligent response (if any response at all).

NonetheLoaiza
05-03-2004, 04:11 PM
If Sosa goes into the HOF, then so should Frank. He isnt a first ballot guy, but you cant keep a guy out of the HOF that will have 500 HR, 2 MVPs, a batting title, and a lifetime avg above .300. In the mid 90s Frank was a force, and he has shown he can still be a force. Does he deserve the HOF? Yes. First Ballot? No.

bobj4400
05-03-2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by john2499


Just how do you KNOW this ?


Originally posted by hold2dibber


All you have to do is watch a little FOX News and you'll know.

This should be brought to PI, but I will add my two cents anyway. If you want Fair & Balanced go to FoxNews. If you want a mouthpiece of liberal ideology, turn to NBC, CBS, or ABC.

anewman35
05-03-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by bobj4400
This should be brought to PI, but I will add my two cents anyway. If you want Fair & Balanced go to FoxNews. If you want a mouthpiece of liberal ideology, turn to NBC, CBS, or ABC.

Ha. You're lucky I'm in a good mood, or you'd get a pages long rant on how stupid a statement that is.

BigFrankFan
05-03-2004, 05:29 PM
If Frank reaches the magic 500 HR mark this is a no-brainer.
Until then he has the DH thing to contend with.

As for what Jim Daniels is saying on his radio show about the SOX in general is absolutely classless.

pearso66
05-03-2004, 05:35 PM
Dibber, you'll have to let us know what his reply is, if he even gives you one. Frank should be a 1st ballot HOFer, but if not, he will definitally make it within a couple years. And last hope, the other HOFers will definitally vote him in.

maurice
05-03-2004, 06:32 PM
Repeatedly calling themselves "fair and balanced" does not make them fair and balanced. On the contrary, repeated defensive posturing has long been considered pretty strong evidence of guilt . . . like the Trib calling the Urinal "the friendly confines." "The lady doth protest too much."

As for the topic of the thread, I concur with Dib's reply. Nice job. Clearly, Hangar and I have been bad influences on you. :cool:

Bisco Stu
05-04-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Daniels' e-mail address is: jimdaniels@foxsports.com

Here's the e-mail I wrote to him:


Here's a comparison of the seasonal (162-game) averages of four players:

Player A: 110 Rs, 37 HRs, 122 RBIs, .428 OBP, .996 OPS, 94 Ks
Player B: 106 Rs, 43 HRs, 117 RBIs, .349 OBP, .895 OPS, 159 Ks
Player C: 89 Rs, 32 HRs, 98 RBIs, .356 OBP, .846 OPS, 149 Ks
Player D: 87 Rs, 27 HRs, 103 RBIs, .359 OBP, .835 OPS, 81 Ks

Player A has 2 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player B has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player C has 1 MVP and 7 top-ten MVP finishes.
Player D has 0 MVPs and 8 top-ten MVP finishes.

Guess which of these 4 players Mr. Radio Show Genius says is NOT a hall of famer? Player A.

Player A is Frank Thomas.
Player B is Sammy Sosa.
Player C is Reggie Jackson.
Player D is Eddie Murray.

I'm sure you'll agree, if Frank isn't a hall of famer, that neither is Sosa, right? And that Jackson and Murray should be kicked out of the hall? Frank's numbers are clearly better than any of those other guys.

Claiming that Frank Thomas is not a hall of famer is absolutely indefensible. He is one of the best 10 to 15 hitters of all time. Gee, could it be that the national media's love affair with all things-Cub and the inaccurate but prevalent belief that no one in Chicago cares about the Sox might have influenced your opinion? Because the actual FACTS clearly played no role in your opinion.

Great stuff, h2d.

Mammoo
05-04-2004, 02:10 AM
I don't think a DH should be in the HOF!

dirty-mutt
05-04-2004, 03:01 AM
why not?

ChiSox14305635
05-04-2004, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by Mammoo
I don't think a DH should be in the HOF!


Well considering that Frank's first 9 years in the majors were spent at 1B, I don't think he falls under that category. Edgar Martinez on the other hand.....

SSN721
05-04-2004, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by bobj4400
This should be brought to PI, but I will add my two cents anyway. If you want Fair & Balanced go to FoxNews. If you want a mouthpiece of liberal ideology, turn to NBC, CBS, or ABC.

I am conservative and I would disagree with that. There is a definite slant to Fox News. In my opinion I would say it is as much to the right as CNN slants to the left. I am sorry I know that should be in PI just wanted to respond to it.
I personally think Frank is a first ballot HOFer, like I stated before only an exceptional class should keep him out when he first becomes eligible. I only hope his sour attitude over the years hasnt ticked off media members enough to not give him the honor his first time up.

3rdgensoxfan
05-04-2004, 10:32 AM
In a recent study:

80% of people thought
1) Sadaam Husein was linked to Al Quaeda
2) The US had found WMD's in Iraq
3) The US had the support of numerous nations in Iraq

You know the common thing about these people?

They watch Fox News.

And yes, Frank should be a first ballot HOFer.

ND_Sox_Fan
05-04-2004, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by 3rdgensoxfan
In a recent study:

80% of people thought
1) Sadaam Husein was linked to Al Quaeda
2) The US had found WMD's in Iraq
3) The US had the support of numerous nations in Iraq

You know the common thing about these people?

They watch Fox News.

And yes, Frank should be a first ballot HOFer.

First, as for your little survey - #1 and #3 are indeed factual.

As for Frank, if one looks at only his OBP, OPS, and walks - he should be a first ballot guy. That doesn't even really count his HRs, RBI, and Runs scored.

Kadafi311
05-04-2004, 11:36 AM
Frank = The only player in major league history to average 30 HRs, 100 RBIs, 100 Walks, 100 Runs scored and hit over .300 for 7 straight seasons.

1st ballot, anything less would be an injustice.

jackbrohamer
05-04-2004, 11:52 AM
I've never heard of "Jim Daniels" in my life. Why do we have to deal with every nobody who grabs a microphone?

BigFrankFan
05-04-2004, 01:25 PM
FOX News: Bottom line it's more entertaining than the others.

Frank's dilemma: It will be the fact that he has played DH since 1998.
Again, if he reaches the 500 HR mark (which I believe he will) then there's simply no question he will be a first ballot HOFer.

DH or not, he will have 500 HR, & finish in the top 20 EVER in OBP & SLG. People seem to forget how he dominated this league in the 90's & was even compared with the Babe himself. This all happening while Barry was at Pitts.

fusillirob1983
05-04-2004, 08:06 PM
Top 5 baseball players all-time for on-base percentage:
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds
5. Frank Thomas


I know, some people might argue that walks are counted in that, but walks give the team a baserunner, and baserunners score runs. Plus, if he's getting walked, that means he's probably doing something right at the plate. Even when he's not hitting near his career average, like last year, he still works his way on base.

He belongs in the Hall though, the top 3 guys are, and I don't think anyone doubts that Barry Bonds will get in. Of all the active power hitters with less than 500 home runs at the moment and who are in a similar age range as Frank, can anyone argue someone else besides Griffey Jr., who people also have debated because of his injuries the past few years, to be voted into the Hall of Fame?

jackbrohamer
05-05-2004, 09:58 AM
He's also 16th all-time in slugging percentage (every eligible player ahead of him is in the HOF),

BigFrankFan
05-05-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by fusillirob1983
Top 5 baseball players all-time for on-base percentage:
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds
5. Frank Thomas


I think all of them but Frank are members of the 500 club.

poorme
05-05-2004, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by BigFrankFan
I think all of them but Frank are members of the 500 club.

Not Gehrig.

BigFrankFan
05-07-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by poorme
Not Gehrig.

I don't remember how close he came. Plus Yankees get extra credit all the time.

santo=dorf
05-07-2004, 01:50 PM
I don't think Frank Thomas should be in the hall of fame either. I mean, just look at these numbers.

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB
1766 6285 792 1671 262 31 286 962 15 22 484

SO BA OBP SLG
894 .266 .320 .454


http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomafr03.shtml

hold2dibber
05-07-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by fusillirob1983
Top 5 baseball players all-time for on-base percentage:
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds
5. Frank Thomas


He's actually 10th (linky (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/OBP_career.shtml)), behind:

1. Ted Williams+ .4817 L
2. Babe Ruth+ .4739 L
3. John McGraw+ .4657 L
4. Billy Hamilton+ .4552 L
5. Lou Gehrig+ .4474 L
6. Bill Joyce .4349 L
7. Rogers Hornsby+ .4337 R
8. Barry Bonds (38) .4332 L
9. Ty Cobb+ .4330 L
10. Frank Thomas (35) .4284 R

But the only guy on that list ahead of him not in the Hall is Joyce. Frank, as you may note, is 2nd all time among right handed hitters.

bigdommer
05-07-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by santo=dorf
I don't think Frank Thomas should be in the hall of fame either. I mean, just look at these numbers.

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB
1766 6285 792 1671 262 31 286 962 15 22 484

SO BA OBP SLG
894 .266 .320 .454


http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomafr03.shtml

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Frank had over 2000 hits and 400 homeruns. Didn't he get both of those last year? I am confused. When are these stats from?

bigdommer
05-07-2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by bigdommer
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Frank had over 2000 hits and 400 homeruns. Didn't he get both of those last year? I am confused. When are these stats from?

Oh, nevermind, you meant Frank Joseph Thomas, who played for Pittsburgh back in the 50's. I don't think he should get in either.

john2499
05-07-2004, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by bobj4400
This should be brought to PI, but I will add my two cents anyway. If you want Fair & Balanced go to FoxNews. If you want a mouthpiece of liberal ideology, turn to NBC, CBS, or ABC.

"Ditto"