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MRKARNO
05-02-2004, 09:47 PM
9-1 in one run games???

If you had doubts about our bullpen, that should be erased with this stat as one-run victories is probably the most telling stat about a bullpen.

I was one of those who thought that we had a pretty darn good bullpen shaping up while others felt it was a weakness.

A. Cavatica
05-02-2004, 09:55 PM
I'm too lazy to count, but the bullpen has turned a lot of bigger leads into one-run victories, and several into losses. If you've been following the team you would never confuse that statistic with having a dominating bullpen.

Johnny Mostil
05-02-2004, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
I'm too lazy to count, but the bullpen has turned a lot of bigger leads into one-run victories, and several into losses. If you've been following the team you would never confuse that statistic with having a dominating bullpen.

I would have thought so, too, but looking over the games the pen seems to have done better than I recalled. To wit:

4/7, 4-3 over Royals--3.0 scoreless innings of relief

4/11, 4-5 loss to Yanks--all 5 runs charged to starter Wright

4/14, 10-9 over Royals--Koch blew an 8-5 lead and the save, but Garland, who was staked to a 6-0 lead, was charged with 5 runs

4/15, 6-5 over Royals--Buehrle gave up all 5 runs, pen held Royals scoreless for 4 innings

4/22, 4-3 over Yanks--2 1/3 scoreless innings of relief

4/23, 3-2 over Devil Rays--3 scoreless innings of relief

4/25, 6-5 over Devil Rays--1 1/3 scoreless innings of relief

4/28, 9-8 over Indians--3 2/3 scoreless innings of relief

5/1, 4-3 over Jays--blown save by Marte, but he only had a 3-2 lead

5/2, 3-2 over Jays--2 scoreless innings of relief

Again, I don't think I'd call this a dominating pen, but I only see one "big" lead (4/14 over Royals) the pen turned into a one-run victory.

batmanZoSo
05-02-2004, 10:41 PM
That 9-1 mark just shows that we're a good team. It's not a credit to the bullpen alone. We've had 5 last at bat wins, weren't all of them decided by one run? We have a good middle relief, but it could be better and we don't have a dependable closer.

lowesox
05-02-2004, 10:43 PM
I just think it means we're scrappy. Our batters are scrappy. Our pitchers are scrappy.

I think we lose focus when we have big leads. Ozzie will have to work at fixing that, because if we are to be a playoff team, we'll need to learn to win a few easy ones here and there.

Johnny Mostil
05-02-2004, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
I'm too lazy to count, but the bullpen has turned a lot of bigger leads into one-run victories, and several into losses.

To complete the analysis, here are the other losses and the pen's role (if any) in them:

4/5, 7-9 loss to Royals, pen blows 7-3 lead

4/16, 0-3 to Devil Rays, no lead for pen to protect

4/20, 8-11 to Yanks, Buehrle gives up 8 R in 2 IP

4/21, 1-3 to Yanks, Garland gives up all 3 runs

4/24, 1-4 to Devil Rays, no lead for pen to protect (Wright started)

4/27, 7-11 to Indians, pen blows 7-5 lead

5/1, 6-10 to Jays, no lead for pen to protect (Wright started)

So one could say the pen lost the 4/5 game to the Royals, and the 4/27 game to the Indians, and should have done better in the 4/14 game against the Royals, but it's looking better than I thought it might.

Johnny Mostil
05-02-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Mostil
To complete the analysis, here are the other losses and the pen's role (if any) in them:

4/5, 7-9 loss to Royals, pen blows 7-3 lead

4/16, 0-3 to Devil Rays, no lead for pen to protect

4/20, 8-11 to Yanks, Buehrle gives up 8 R in 2 IP

4/21, 1-3 to Yanks, Garland gives up all 3 runs

4/24, 1-4 to Devil Rays, no lead for pen to protect (Wright started)

4/27, 7-11 to Indians, pen blows 7-5 lead

5/1, 6-10 to Jays, no lead for pen to protect (Wright started)

So one could say the pen lost the 4/5 game to the Royals, and the 4/27 game to the Indians, and should have done better in the 4/14 game against the Royals, but it's looking better than I thought it might.

I missed one--4/8, 1-3 to Yanks, Schoeneweiss gave up all 3 runs

Dadawg_77
05-02-2004, 11:00 PM
When trying to judge a pen, don't just look at ERA, look at IR. If reliever comes in with a guy on base, his job is to prevent that runner form scoring. If he fails the pitcher replaced gets the earned run.

Johnny Mostil
05-02-2004, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
When trying to judge a pen, don't just look at ERA, look at IR. If reliever comes in with a guy on base, his job is to prevent that runner form scoring. If he fails the pitcher replaced gets the earned run.

Fair point, but I don't see any pen failures being hidden (key word here) by IR scoring. In the few times the pen's failed, it's let IR and lots of other runners score, too. Of course, the season is young yet . . .

A. Cavatica
05-03-2004, 08:50 PM
That's slightly better than I expected. Nothing that replacing Danny Wright with Freddy Garcia wouldn't fix.

ode to veeck
05-03-2004, 09:38 PM
make that 10-1---can't tell if its really fun to be a Sox fan this year ... or closer to a heart attack ...

MRKARNO
05-03-2004, 09:38 PM
This is bordering on ridiculous

Johnny Mostil
05-03-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
That's slightly better than I expected.

Yeah, but credit Koch with doing his damnedest to prove your original thesis correct by creating his second of those one-run games tonight . . .

OEO Magglio
05-03-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by ode to veeck
make that 10-1---can't tell if its really fun to be a Sox fan this year ... or closer to a heart attack ...
Heart attack Billy Koch strikes again.

batmanZoSo
05-03-2004, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
This is bordering on ridiculous

This kinda stuff--miracle saves, comeback wins--might continue all year, but it won't happen next year. It might not even continue this year. We gotta ADDRESS. I'm not griping right now, don't anyone get me wrong, but we just might need a few personell changes before the year's over.

munchman33
05-03-2004, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by OEO Magglio
Heart attack Billy Koch strikes again.

It's Cardiac Koch

A. Cavatica
05-03-2004, 10:05 PM
It's Inning Ugly.