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SoxxoS
04-22-2004, 01:23 AM
Playoffs.

It looks like Vazquez is the staff ace, so we would be seeing him twice in a 5 game series.

If we want to make any sort of a run, we have to beat the elite pitchers, ESPECIALLY after seeing them (and losing to) a week prior.

How are we going to win a playoff series against the Yanks, Red Sox, or A's if we can't beat the good pitching?

Giving up 3 runs for the game should result in a win .700 percent of the time. We are 5 and 3.

It's early, but that needs to change.

All in all, I will take our start. We are learning more about what we have...

Koch can't close
Wright can't start
Takatsu may be a one batter specialist, and/or back in Japan sooner than later
We have a good lineup
Crede's swing is L-OOOOO-N-G
Showenweis has proved he isn't Showencrap, yet.
Uribe can hit.
Willie can't but can cause havoc on the basepaths
Ozzie is worth about 5-10 more wins, IMO, over Tinkerbell
Olivo is coming around
E-Lo is solid

We are learning more and more as we go, which should set up nicely for some nice acquisitions by KW in June/July.

But we got to beat the good pitching.

batmanZoSo
04-22-2004, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
Playoffs.

It looks like Vazquez is the staff ace, so we would be seeing him twice in a 5 game series.

If we want to make any sort of a run, we have to beat the elite pitchers, ESPECIALLY after seeing them (and losing to) a week prior.

How are we going to win a playoff series against the Yanks, Red Sox, or A's if we can't beat the good pitching?

Giving up 3 runs for the game should result in a win .700 percent of the time. We are 5 and 3.

It's early, but that needs to change.

All in all, I will take our start. We are learning more about what we have...

Koch can't close
Wright can't start
Takatsu may be a one batter specialist, and/or back in Japan sooner than later
We have a good lineup
Crede's swing is L-OOOOO-N-G
Showenweis has proved he isn't Showencrap, yet.
Uribe can hit.
Willie can't but can cause havoc on the basepaths
Ozzie is worth about 5-10 more wins, IMO, over Tinkerbell
Olivo is coming around
E-Lo is solid

We are learning more and more as we go, which should set up nicely for some nice acquisitions by KW in June/July.

But we got to beat the good pitching.

I just wanna make the damn playoffs. And hope we get hot. I never dreamed the Marlins could go all the way when they won the wild card. All it takes to win it all is an 11-8 run against good teams. Anything can happen.

I'm never satisfied with a division, but it's always a blast when they make it, even though the outcome stunk both times I watched.

SoxxoS
04-22-2004, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by batmanZoSo
I just wanna make the damn playoffs. And hope we get hot. I never dreamed the Marlins could go all the way when they won the wild card. All it takes to win it all is an 11-8 run against good teams. Anything can happen.

I'm never satisfied with a division, but it's always a blast when they make it, even though the outcome stunk both times I watched.

Peter Gammons was talking about it...and he said that the Giants would one start 2 players on the Marlins world series team...and they we're the favorites going into the playoffs last year.
Bonds and someone else.

They really were outstanding last year, the Marlins. Think about the talent they had on that team. Lowell, Cabrera, Pudge, Pierre, Castillo...with 4 capable starters and a decent bullpen.

That is kind of a misconception they just "got hot." They were STACKED.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-22-2004, 03:41 AM
we don't have to dominate the damn yanks now. we just have to survive, if we win tomorrow that'll be cool. we just need to beat our contendors (twins, tigers, kc) and take it from there. When it comes to the playoffs, we'll deal with it then

fquaye149
04-22-2004, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
Peter Gammons was talking about it...and he said that the Giants would one start 2 players on the Marlins world series team...and they we're the favorites going into the playoffs last year.
Bonds and someone else.

They really were outstanding last year, the Marlins. Think about the talent they had on that team. Lowell, Cabrera, Pudge, Pierre, Castillo...with 4 capable starters and a decent bullpen.

That is kind of a misconception they just "got hot." They were STACKED.


if all our players play up to their best ability, you might say we're stacked too.

when we're healthy and hitting well, a middle of the lineup that features manos, maggs, frank, carlos, konerko, and crede is pretty fearsome to an opponent's pitching. . .not to mention how willie was playing for a while and olivo's hitting. . .and the potential everyone sees in rowand.

meanwhile our rotation could be fairly devastating the way loaiza, garland and schoenweis pitched in their last starts, and the way buehrle is capable of pitching.

with mike jackson, cliff politte and damaso...and kelly wunsch when he gets back our bullpen is definitely "capable."


if we do "get hot" at the right time we're as good a team as the 2003 marlins.

Lip Man 1
04-22-2004, 01:20 PM
Soxxos says: "How are we going to win a playoff series against the Yanks, Red Sox, or A's if we can't beat the good pitching?"

Well according to some folks that doesn't matter, the Sox will have luck on their side. You know the same type of 'luck' this franchise has had for over 100 years.

Remember 'luck' is cheaper then having to go out and get talent.

Makes sense to me!

Lip

Hokiesox
04-22-2004, 01:50 PM
Let's not use the P word until we know for sure we've made it. C'mon, no need to jinx ourselves in April!

Mickster
04-22-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Soxxos says: "How are we going to win a playoff series against the Yanks, Red Sox, or A's if we can't beat the good pitching?"

Well according to some folks that doesn't matter, the Sox will have luck on their side. You know the same type of 'luck' this franchise has had for over 100 years.

Remember 'luck' is cheaper then having to go out and get talent.

Makes sense to me!

Lip

Lip,

How, then, according to your theory did the Marlins win the world series? Anaheim before them? While I appreciate and generally agree with what you are saying, you seem to completely take "luck" or a "hot streak" out of the equation of winning a title.

John

Deadguy
04-22-2004, 02:13 PM
Right now this is a potential problem for the best team in the AL Central (The Twins), not the White Sox.

Until they can prove they can outlast the Twins over the course of 162 games, which they haven't for the past 2 years, the White Sox shouldn't even be thinking about the playoffs.

SoxxoS
04-22-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Deadguy
Right now this is a potential problem for the best team in the AL Central (The Twins), not the White Sox.

Until they can prove they can outlast the Twins over the course of 162 games, which they haven't for the past 2 years, the White Sox shouldn't even be thinking about the playoffs.

The last two years were under:

:jerry


"Zzzzzzzzzzzz"

doublem23
04-22-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Deadguy
Right now this is a potential problem for the best team in the AL Central (The Twins), not the White Sox.

Until they can prove they can outlast the Twins over the course of 162 games, which they haven't for the past 2 years, the White Sox shouldn't even be thinking about the playoffs.

You're kidding me right? The Sox are the best team in the division; we just have to play like it.

batmanZoSo
04-22-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
Peter Gammons was talking about it...and he said that the Giants would one start 2 players on the Marlins world series team...and they we're the favorites going into the playoffs last year.
Bonds and someone else.

They really were outstanding last year, the Marlins. Think about the talent they had on that team. Lowell, Cabrera, Pudge, Pierre, Castillo...with 4 capable starters and a decent bullpen.

That is kind of a misconception they just "got hot." They were STACKED.

They pretty much rode the coattails of Josh Beckett and had great hitting throughout the playoffs much like the Angels in 2002. Willis was terrible, Penny had like one good start, the left hander that's on Oakland now was okay. Urbina is a mediocre closer, but he wasn't needed that much because of Beckett complete games and blowouts and did pitch okay enough to help them win.

They weren't much better than this year's Sox. But face it they did get hot and that's my whole point. I don't care what we look like going in, as long as we get in.