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jlh0023
04-21-2004, 10:50 PM
Do my eyes decieve me? If i'm not wrong, I believe I saw Danny Wright warming up in the bullpen alongside Marte this evening. Is he losing his starting role for now? or was it just b/c our bullpen was worn out from yesterday.

mike squires
04-21-2004, 11:20 PM
Wright belongs in the pen for now unless Schoenwies falls apart. I think Wright couldbe very effective in the pen if he can change his mindset.

SEALgep
04-21-2004, 11:28 PM
I want to see Wright learning how to close in the minors, but I think he was in there probably to get some work in before his next start.

Daver
04-21-2004, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I want to see Wright learning how to close in the minors, but I think he was in there probably to get some work in before his next start.

You really think Wright would clear waivers?

SEALgep
04-21-2004, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Daver
You really think Wright would clear waivers? I don't know.

voodoochile
04-21-2004, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I don't know.

What's do you think? You really think no team would claim him? Come on, tell us what your gut says...

Why would he have to go to the minors to learn how to close anyway? Put him in middle relief and let him work here on it until he gets his arm conditioned to pitch shorts amounts every other day.

Then move him back into tougher roles until he is ready to close. But honestly, I don't like the idea. He struggles most when he knows when he is going to pitch and in stressful situations from what I can see. That is the definition of a closers role. Danny should be a middle reliever or a short reliever specialist if he cannot be a starter. Making him a closer is a recipe for disaster given his mental makeup, IMO.

MRKARNO
04-21-2004, 11:49 PM
I think he was in the pen because we're able to skip his start because of the off day, but I could be wrong.

SEALgep
04-21-2004, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
What's do you think? You really think no team would claim him? Come on, tell us what your gut says...

Why would he have to go to the minors to learn how to close anyway? Put him in middle relief and let him work here on it until he gets his arm conditioned to pitch shorts amounts every other day.

Then move him back into tougher roles until he is ready to close. But honestly, I don't like the idea. He struggles most when he knows when he is going to pitch and in stressful situations from what I can see. That is the definition of a closers role. Danny should be a middle reliever or a short reliever specialist if he cannot be a starter. Making him a closer is a recipe for disaster given his mental makeup, IMO. Putting him in middle relief is an option as well. However, saying he doesn't have the mental make up is premature. Starting is completely different than closing. And some guys can fill the starters role well and some guys can close well, and every once in a great while you get a guy like Smoltz who can do both. However, just because he hasn't been a very good starter, doesn't mean he couldn't close. Just ask Gagne. Wright has buckled under high pressure but also has done well. I think he could do it, and he certainly has the stuff if he could just put it together.

A. Cavatica
04-22-2004, 12:08 AM
Absolutely, unquestionably, he would clear waivers.

jlh0023
04-22-2004, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I think he was in the pen because we're able to skip his start because of the off day, but I could be wrong.

This sounds like the most likely possibility. But if you really believe he could be more consistent in a bullpen role, I wouldn't mind seeing him in long relief later in the year. We don't really have a long reliever to go for a situation like Buerles yesterday, and having him able to go 4 innings in that situation could prove helpful. For now I'd keep him as fifth starter for a couple of months (unless he really screws up) to give Cotts a little more time in the pen before becoming a full time starter.

SoxxoS
04-22-2004, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by jlh0023
This sounds like the most likely possibility. But if you really believe he could be more consistent in a bullpen role, I wouldn't mind seeing him in long relief later in the year. We don't really have a long reliever to go for a situation like Buerles yesterday, and having him able to go 4 innings in that situation could prove helpful. For now I'd keep him as fifth starter for a couple of months (unless he really screws up) to give Cotts a little more time in the pen before becoming a full time starter.

What about Rauch? I think he deserves another chance. Cotts needs to get his walks down, or else he is going to be a good start/2 bad starts kind of pitcher.

You can't walk guys in this league. That is why I think Rauch is ready for the 5th starter role...he doesn't walk many. Plus, Charlotte is the hitters paradise (got it right this time, guys) and Rauch has held his own.

I think one or two more good starts from Rauch he needs to get called up. I don't want Danny Wrong to have a chance to fool management in thinking he is a good pitcher by a one fluke good start. They were already fooled by spring training.

batmanZoSo
04-22-2004, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
What's do you think? You really think no team would claim him? Come on, tell us what your gut says...

Why would he have to go to the minors to learn how to close anyway? Put him in middle relief and let him work here on it until he gets his arm conditioned to pitch shorts amounts every other day.

Then move him back into tougher roles until he is ready to close. But honestly, I don't like the idea. He struggles most when he knows when he is going to pitch and in stressful situations from what I can see. That is the definition of a closers role. Danny should be a middle reliever or a short reliever specialist if he cannot be a starter. Making him a closer is a recipe for disaster given his mental makeup, IMO.

I agree about putting him in the pen. He can be a good long inning reliever or setup man. He's only relieved a few times but he struck me as a different pitcher--a better one.

Fridaythe13thJason
04-22-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Absolutely, unquestionably, he would clear waivers.

Absolutely, unquestionably, you are wrong. There is not a chance in heck that a young starter with great stuff and some control problems and a low salary clears waivers. Not a chance in the world.

southpaw40
04-22-2004, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Making him a closer is a recipe for disaster given his mental makeup, IMO. [/B]
I think this is true. And he doesn't appear to me to have the dominating or overpowering stuff most successful closers have. I have seen references to 97MPH fastballs, but when I've seen him pitch (only on TV), he's rarely above 91-92, even in situations when "reaching back for a little more" might be good.
For those who know, do his pitches have unusual movement, or something to distinguish them which might make him suited to be a closer?

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by southpaw40
I think this is true. And he doesn't appear to me to have the dominating or overpowering stuff most successful closers have. I have seen references to 97MPH fastballs, but when I've seen him pitch (only on TV), he's rarely above 91-92, even in situations when "reaching back for a little more" might be good.
For those who know, do his pitches have unusual movement, or something to distinguish them which might make him suited to be a closer? He has reached 97, and I'm sure he would be able to more consistently if his training regiment consisted of more power than endurance. You are obviously are going to have different speed and movement depending whether or not you are a training to be a starter or closer.

Mickster
04-22-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
He has reached 97, and I'm sure he would be able to more consistently if his training regiment consisted of more power than endurance. You are obviously are going to have different speed and movement depending whether or not you are a training to be a starter or closer.

Seal, Wright's biggest problem is mental. That can not be "taught" IMHO. Kotch used to have it, and it's now gone. I honestly do not think he will ever have it again. It takes a different type of person to be a closer and, frankly, wright is not that type....

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Seal, Wright's biggest problem is mental. That can not be "taught" IMHO. Kotch used to have it, and it's now gone. I honestly do not think he will ever have it again. It takes a different type of person to be a closer and, frankly, wright is not that type.... We don't know that for a fact.

Mickster
04-22-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
We don't know that for a fact.

Sure we don't. Nobody does. But we can reasonable deduce from prior ML starts, minor starts, past problems, etc... We're in no position to take the time to turn wright into a closer. Hell, Thomas might be a great catcher. We're never going to find out, though....

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Sure we don't. Nobody does. But we can reasonable deduce from prior ML starts, minor starts, past problems, etc... We're in no position to take the time to turn wright into a closer. Hell, Thomas might be a great catcher. We're never going to find out, though.... Wright has the pitches to be a fine closer. You're basing your reasoning based on games he has started, which isn't fair. If his training regiment consisted of elements that helped him be more explosive than having endurance, he would be a different pitcher. Gagne was a terrible starter, and now look at him. Wright has good stuff, maybe he just isn't in the right situation to show it off. Maybe if he were to only be responsible for an inning, and had the training consistent with that, he could be a dominant pitcher.

TaylorStSox
04-22-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by UICJason
Absolutely, unquestionably, you are wrong. There is not a chance in heck that a young starter with great stuff and some control problems and a low salary clears waivers. Not a chance in the world.

Agreed. There's no way in hell that Wright clears waivers.

Mickster
04-22-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Wright has the pitches to be a fine closer. You're basing your reasoning based on games he has started, which isn't fair. If his training regiment consisted of elements that helped him be more explosive than having endurance, he would be a different pitcher. Gagne was a terrible starter, and now look at him. Wright has good stuff, maybe he just isn't in the right situation to show it off. Maybe if he were to only be responsible for an inning, and had the training consistent with that, he could be a dominant pitcher.

I'm not saying that Wright does not have the physical skills to be a closer. It's the mental toughness that I seriously question. He looks lost on the mound at ALL times. It's not that he loses it when he gives up a dinger...it's ALL THE TIME. Even when he won 14 games for us.....

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
I'm not saying that Wright does not have the physical skills to be a closer. It's the mental toughness that I seriously question. He looks lost on the mound at ALL times. It's not that he loses it when he gives up a dinger...it's ALL THE TIME. Even when he won 14 games for us..... I understand, but I'm saying with his pitches and the ability to get more movement on his offspeed pitches and speed on his fastball, he would be a much more confident pitcher. More explosiveness on his pitches, from training that way, would allow him to think differently on the mound. That's my opinion anyhow.

Mickster
04-22-2004, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I understand, but I'm saying with his pitches and the ability to get more movement on his offspeed pitches and speed on his fastball, he would be a much more confident pitcher. More explosiveness on his pitches, from training that way, would allow him to think differently on the mound. That's my opinion anyhow.

The issue is that Wright can not be sent down to AAA to "learn" to be a closer as he absolutely will not clear waivers. Having him "learn" while he's on the 25-man roster is also not an option IMHO. He's best as a mopper out of the pen. Plain and simple.

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
The issue is that Wright can not be sent down to AAA to "learn" to be a closer as he absolutely will not clear waivers. Having him "learn" while he's on the 25-man roster is also not an option IMHO. He's best as a mopper out of the pen. Plain and simple. This year, I wasn't giving a time frame.

wdelaney72
04-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I don't know.

I'm not a Danny Wright fan, but there's no way in hell he'd clear waivers.

He's young, cheap, and has a lot of potential.

habibharu
04-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by UICJason
Absolutely, unquestionably, you are wrong. There is not a chance in heck that a young starter with great stuff and some control problems and a low salary clears waivers. Not a chance in the world. he would definitely be picked up by a team like the rangers or reds, who need young, cheap starters

wdelaney72
04-22-2004, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Seal, Wright's biggest problem is mental. That can not be "taught" IMHO. Kotch used to have it, and it's now gone. I honestly do not think he will ever have it again. It takes a different type of person to be a closer and, frankly, wright is not that type....

Agreed.

habibharu
04-22-2004, 02:06 PM
i dont understand how wright can be a closer. he walks way too many guys and is prone to have a big inning, giving up 3 or 4 runs

Randar68
04-22-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I think he was in the pen because we're able to skip his start because of the off day, but I could be wrong.

Ding Ding. When this happens, those pitchers almost always have a session or 2 in the bullpen, and often during games.

jlh0023
04-22-2004, 02:39 PM
I wouldn't trust Wright as a closer until he showed he has gained his control. Either through starting or from the pen, I don't want him to be closer if he's going to keep being so streaky.

OurBitchinMinny
04-22-2004, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Absolutely, unquestionably, he would clear waivers.

Wright would not clear waivers, someone would take a chance and with our luck hed develop into cy f'ing young or something. Put him in the pen if he doesnt have a good start in the next one or two,

OurBitchinMinny
04-22-2004, 02:56 PM
Remember latroy hawkins was one of the worst starting pitchers I have ever seen and look what he turned into in the pen. Give him a shot in the pen

SEALgep
04-22-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by ChisoxfaninMinny
Remember latroy hawkins was one of the worst starting pitchers I have ever seen and look what he turned into in the pen. Give him a shot in the pen That's all I'm saying. Gane is another, and there a million others too. He has good stuff, maybe being a starter is holding him back. Being a good pitcher doesn't necessarily translate into a good starter. And just because you're a good starter, doesn't mean you can shut guys down in relief. They are different. Different in mentality and certainly different in training methods. No one hear can say Wright would not be a good closer with absolute confidence. He has never been able to train to do so, or given an oportunity under those conditions.