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Hangar18
03-28-2004, 09:07 PM
I was sitting around just now, looking at pictures of our Outfield,
so that I can try and draw up Renderings of what I think it should look like out there, and it just occured to me. There are supposed to be 4 pinwheels on either side of the Center of the scoreboard. How the SOX could botch constructing Their
own Scoreboard, I dont know. :angry:

MRKARNO
03-28-2004, 09:11 PM
Which pictures are you talking about? Could you provide a link?

CubKilla
03-28-2004, 09:15 PM
I believe he's comparing the Old Comiskey Scoreboard to the USCF Scoreboard.

This is really nitpicking.

WinningUgly!
03-28-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Which pictures are you talking about? Could you provide a link?

The old scoreboard had a total of 8 pinwheels...
http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/scoreboard2.jpg

The current one only has 7...
(I realize this is an old pic)
http://matt.beverlywebdesign.com/pics/Comiskeyscoreboard.jpg

Viva Magglio
03-28-2004, 09:21 PM
The old scoreboard in the picture was replaced in 1982 by the DiamondVision scoreboard. That one had eight pinwheels too, right?

CubKilla
03-28-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
The old scoreboard in the picture was replaced in 1982 by the DiamondVision scoreboard. That one had eight pinwheels too, right?

Yes.

Hangar18
03-28-2004, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the Pics. I also Love how the OLD Scoreboard
had the ELGIN CLOCK in the center of it. Totally gives it an
Old-Fashioned Flavor to it. I HIGHLY recommend they
Remove the Center Pinwheel, Put the ELGIN Clock back up there,
then ADD 2 Pinwheels, 1 on either side to "even" it out.
THink you'd be surprised how Nice the Board would look then.....

TornLabrum
03-28-2004, 10:26 PM
If you go back to the original 1960 scoreboard, there were no pinwheels at all.

:reinsy

"If I'd have known that, I could have saved myself a fortune!"

Brian26
03-28-2004, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I HIGHLY recommend they
Remove the Center Pinwheel, Put the ELGIN Clock back up there,

Is ELGIN still in business? I doubt they are, which means no ad revenue...which ultimately means the Mc D's logo or whatever else will stay there as long as the money comes in.

Hangar18
03-28-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Is ELGIN still in business? I doubt they are, which means no ad revenue...which ultimately means the Mc D's logo or whatever else will stay there as long as the money comes in.

I know SEIKO is still in biz. Im sure a Watch or Clock company of some sort would LOVE to have their Clock on the scoreboard

Brian26
03-28-2004, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I know SEIKO is still in biz. Im sure a Watch or Clock company of some sort would LOVE to have their Clock on the scoreboard

Tag Heuer? :D:

:wills

"I love wearing my new Tag Heuer watch while I shop with Pete and Rosemary at Grandstand and then drive over to Napleton Dodge-Chevy in my new Dodge Stratus before we hit Jimbo's for a pepper and egg sandwich and then wear our new Jared's the Galleria of Jewelry ankle bracelets...."

ChiWhiteSox1337
03-28-2004, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I know SEIKO is still in biz. Im sure a Watch or Clock company of some sort would LOVE to have their Clock on the scoreboard
Maybe Rolex could have an ad up on the scoreboard and then they could sponsor a rolex watch give away night! :)

Brian26
03-28-2004, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by WinningUgly!
The old scoreboard had a total of 8 pinwheels...
http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/scoreboard2.jpg


Little did Lynn and Doug Oloen know their names would be captured forever in baseball lore. This photo is actually on the back of the Sporting News Take Me Out To The Ballpark book from the 80's.

Bucktown
03-29-2004, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Little did Lynn and Doug Oloen know their names would be captured forever in baseball lore. This photo is actually on the back of the Sporting News Take Me Out To The Ballpark book from the 80's.
I googled them and came up with this (http://www.theeldenlawfirm.com/biographies.htm) .

I sent him an email with the picture asking if this was him. I will let you know what I hear back.

gosox3072
03-29-2004, 12:57 AM
You guys do realize if we put a clock like that on our scoreboard that north side fans will moan that we are copying thier own crap scoreboard.

Blueprint1
03-29-2004, 01:04 AM
is the original post serious. Do you really care that there is one less pinwheel? Although i do like the clock idea. In a way we did copy the scoreboard from the North side they were designed by the same person.

dllrbll7
03-29-2004, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Blueprint1
is the original post serious. Do you really care that there is one less pinwheel? Although i do like the clock idea. In a way we did copy the scoreboard from the North side they were designed by the same person.

You obviously dont read many of Hangars posts. But he usually has some pretty good opinions and suggestions.

A.T. Money
03-29-2004, 08:44 AM
There is nothing wrong with our current scoreboard.

soxnut
03-29-2004, 09:12 AM
When the Sox first started considering renovations, I emailed my suggestions to Rob Gallas about putting a retro clock on the scoreboard. He said that he thought it was a good idea, and he would forward it to stadium operations. Hopefully Hangar has done that,which I'm sure he has. So, ya never know.

As for a sponsor, it doesn't necessarliy have to be a watch company, even though that would seem the most logical. McDonald's probably doesn't want to let that space go. But McDonald's could easily sponsor the clock, and place one of their retro logos on it.

As for one pinwheel missing, that is knod of nit-picky, but I think Hangar's idea make it look better, even though I don't think it looks bad. :smile:

Palehose13
03-29-2004, 09:27 AM
I can't wait til the season starts so Hangar can bitch about the team and not these little things.

Hangar18
03-29-2004, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
I can't wait til the season starts so Hangar can bitch about the team and not these little things.

The way I look at it, theres ALWAYS room for improvement,
whether it be the team, the marketing, and yeah, even the scoreboard. This team has a looong and rich history,
and theres NO REASON we shouldnt always be looking to be
The best

A.T. Money
03-29-2004, 10:26 AM
I think our scoreboard looks pretty bad ass the way it is.

DrummerGeorgefan
03-29-2004, 10:37 AM
Speaking of missing pinwheels, I do believe that about 2 years ago two pinwheels were taken off of the outside marque facing the Ryan. If you look at it now, it looks odd with only 3

joeynach
03-29-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by gosox3072
You guys do realize if we put a clock like that on our scoreboard that north side fans will moan that we are copying thier own crap scoreboard.

Yo do realize the only way to mimmick the northside would be to make it so that in 1/2 of all the seats in the lower bowl, lets call them terrace, you cant even see the scorebaord. Let alone the sky.

steff
03-29-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
The way I look at it, theres ALWAYS room for improvement,
whether it be the team, the marketing, and yeah, even the scoreboard. This team has a looong and rich history,
and theres NO REASON we shouldnt always be looking to be
The best



The way I look at it.. you're eyes are just a bit dry these days.

Go sniff an onion Henry.. :whiner: :whiner: :whiner:


:D:

soxnut
03-29-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by DrummerGeorgefan
Speaking of missing pinwheels, I do believe that about 2 years ago two pinwheels were taken off of the outside marque facing the Ryan. If you look at it now, it looks odd with only 3

Hey man, hate to tell ya this, but it's always had 3 pinwheels.

PINWHEELS
03-29-2004, 02:49 PM
The only thing i'm missing is a couple of brain cells! :gulp: :gulp:

tebman
03-30-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by soxnut
When the Sox first started considering renovations, I emailed my suggestions to Rob Gallas about putting a retro clock on the scoreboard. He said that he thought it was a good idea, and he would forward it to stadium operations. Hopefully Hangar has done that,which I'm sure he has. So, ya never know.

As for a sponsor, it doesn't necessarliy have to be a watch company, even though that would seem the most logical. McDonald's probably doesn't want to let that space go. But McDonald's could easily sponsor the clock, and place one of their retro logos on it.

As for one pinwheel missing, that is knod of nit-picky, but I think Hangar's idea make it look better, even though I don't think it looks bad. :smile:

There was a thread on this couple of weeks ago discussing how
"polite" the current board is as compared to Veeck's original
1960 version. As I recall, Veeck added the pinwheels when he
took over the team the second time in 1976. Actually, I hadn't
noticed that the "pinwheel count" had changed, but considering
how domesticated the scoreboard has become since the first one
was built, the difference doesn't matter much.

I hope Gallas was serious about conveying your suggestion,
soxnut. I suggested the same thing (among other things) to
Eddie Einhorn in a letter in 1982. Though I got an appreciative
letter back from Einhorn, they didn't take any of my suggestions
and the board became a giant TV screen with Christmas lights around it.

Sox fans are a rowdy bunch, and I mean that in the best way.
Veeck understood that, and that's why the board he cooked up
in 1960 really was like an exploding pinball machine. Simple
changes (like the return of the big clock) and some other tweaks
could bring back some of that edge.

- tebman

Hangar18
03-30-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by tebman
.........a thread on this couple of weeks ago discussing how
"polite" the current board is as compared to Veeck's original
1960 version............................
Though I got an appreciative
letter back from Einhorn, they didn't take any of my suggestions
and the board became a giant TV screen with Christmas lights around it.

Sox fans are a rowdy bunch, and I mean that in the best way.
Veeck understood that, and that's why the board he cooked up
in 1960 really was like an exploding pinball machine. Simple
changes (like the return of the big clock) and some other tweaks
could bring back some of that edge.

- tebman

That is exactly RIGHT. Bill Veeck did that in his MAVERICK way of making himself and the Sox Different. He Pioneered that and the Fireworks themselves, and now every dang team copied that.
I believe, back in the Day, the other Owners Ridiculed him
for doing that, but he didnt care. In those days, the board was Bombastic, with Exploding Fireworks, Smoke, and the Bright Lights. What have the SOX done to UPDATE this "Idea"
and keep it ahead of everyone else? They added a big flat screen tv. and bigger corporate Logos. I SAY ADD AIRPLANE LIGHTS, Very Bright, and really lite that Board up ..........
Make the board looook as "old-Fashioned" as possible, with
the modern conveniences. Sox were Pioneers. Time to GET BACK TO THAT

tebman
03-30-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
That is exactly RIGHT. Bill Veeck did that in his MAVERICK way of making himself and the Sox Different. He Pioneered that and the Fireworks themselves, and now every dang team copied that.
I believe, back in the Day, the other Owners Ridiculed him
for doing that, but he didnt care. In those days, the board was Bombastic, with Exploding Fireworks, Smoke, and the Bright Lights. What have the SOX done to UPDATE this "Idea"
and keep it ahead of everyone else? They added a big flat screen tv. and bigger corporate Logos. I SAY ADD AIRPLANE LIGHTS, Very Bright, and really lite that Board up ..........
Make the board looook as "old-Fashioned" as possible, with
the modern conveniences. Sox were Pioneers. Time to GET BACK TO THAT

Simple things about the old board:

* The chase lights around the clock and along the bottom
(which changed directions and had crazy patterns) used 150W
floodlight bulbs, like the ones you buy to light up your backyard.

* The mortars that stuck out of the top were outfitted with
Roman Candles that spit out multicolored sparks. That was in
addition to the regular fireworks.

* There were strobe lights scattered around the board that
flashed on and off in random patterns, the way flashbulbs do
at a big concert.

* There were loud, goofy sound effects like you might expect
to hear if somebody from Mad magazine was choosing them
(dive bombers, train whistles, Hallelujah chorus, explosions, etc.)

None of these things are high-tech or expensive. If the Sox
marketing types really did take Hangar18's advice and get back
to that, it would be pretty simple to do.

- tebman

steff
03-30-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by tebman
Simple things about the old board:
* The chase lights around the clock and along the bottom
(which changed directions and had crazy patterns) used 150W
floodlight bulbs, like the ones you buy to light up your backyard.
* The mortars that stuck out of the top were outfitted with
Roman Candles that spit out multicolored sparks. That was in
addition to the regular fireworks.
* There were strobe lights scattered around the board that
flashed on and off in random patterns, the way flashbulbs do
at a big concert.
* There were loud, goofy sound effects like you might expect
to hear if somebody from Mad magazine was choosing them
(dive bombers, train whistles, Hallelujah chorus, explosions, etc.)
None of these things are high-tech or expensive. If the Sox
marketing types really did take Hangar18's advice and get back
to that, it would be pretty simple to do.
- tebman



And what do you suppose they do with the monstrosity that sits there now.. and how do they replace the advertising revenue that good old Sony pays to have it there....?


There aint a damn thing wrong with the jumbo tron. Good grief.. is this what it's come to...? There isn't enough to complain about ON the field..? :?:


Henry.. I eagerly await your toilet paper complaint thread.. :whiner: :whiner: :whiner:

tebman
03-30-2004, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by steff
And what do you suppose they do with the monstrosity that sits there now.. and how do they replace the advertising revenue that good old Sony pays to have it there....?


There aint a damn thing wrong with the jumbo tron. Good grief.. is this what it's come to...? There isn't enough to complain about ON the field..? :?:



What can I say? I'm a sucker for pinball machines. :D:

SSN721
03-31-2004, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Blueprint1
is the original post serious. Do you really care that there is one less pinwheel? Although i do like the clock idea. In a way we did copy the scoreboard from the North side they were designed by the same person.

This is true but wasnt Old Comiskey built 10 years before Wrigley Field?

tebman
03-31-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by SSN721
This is true but wasnt Old Comiskey built 10 years before Wrigley Field?

Old Comiskey was built four years before That Other Place,
which at that time was known as Weegham(sp?) park after the
guy who was starting a team in the short-lived Federal League.
The north-side baseball troupe moved in there a couple of years
after the Federal League went out of business, and Old Man
Wrigley bought the team after that. He did some remodeling
and modestly named the joint after himself.

The clock and scoreboard (and ivy and flags and yadda, yadda,
yadda) were added in 1937 (ironically by a young Bill Veeck,
whose father was the Cubs' GM at the time).

Baseball is better served by an analog clock with slow-moving
hands. A digital display looks high-tech, but illuminated high-tech
chronometers belong in computer games, not an untimed
and pastoral sport like baseball. That's what adding character is
all about, and that's what the Sox's (and most of MLB's) marketing
people don't seem to understand. This whole discussion about
the pinwheels is really about the character of the place. I just
wish the Sox brain trust would think more about that.


- tebman

soxnut
03-31-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by tebman
Baseball is better served by an analog clock with slow-moving
hands. A digital display looks high-tech, but illuminated high-tech
chronometers belong in computer games, not an untimed
and pastoral sport like baseball. That's what adding character is
all about, and that's what the Sox's (and most of MLB's) marketing
people don't seem to understand. This whole discussion about
the pinwheels is really about the character of the place. I just
wish the Sox brain trust would think more about that.


- tebman

I totally agree. But, don't you think more character is being added to the over the last few years? And with the hearsay of renovations to come? I have written to them over the years about the subject of character. I mentioned the clock, and how they should somehow integrate all of the old logos/uniforms they've had over the years, as well as other things, that we are starting to see. Hopefully the will do the clock. Besides, with the Fan Deck now even more elevated, it's starting to block that digital clock anyway.

tebman
03-31-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by soxnut
I totally agree. But, don't you think more character is being added to the over the last few years? And with the hearsay of renovations to come? I have written to them over the years about the subject of character. I mentioned the clock, and how they should somehow integrate all of the old logos/uniforms they've had over the years, as well as other things, that we are starting to see. Hopefully the will do the clock. Besides, with the Fan Deck now even more elevated, it's starting to block that digital clock anyway.

Yes, you're right -- the upper deck is the best example of an
a character improvement. And in fairness, kudos to the Sox
organization for tacitly admitting an early mistake. But that
correction only came after years of complaints and weakening
fan support. My lament is that the marketing gurus don't
understand these things themselves. I mean, c'mon! Can't
they see that it's a *baseball* park and not an arena football
barn?

Old Comiskey was a worn-out shoe. That was both its curse and
its charm. It was comfortable and idiosyncratic, and it was also
frequently annoying. When you think about it, it was a lot like the
fans who went there ( :D: ). But when the new place was built
and operated, there was (is?) an effort to make it as suburban
and textureless as possible. That's my complaint. Bring back a
big ol' clunky clock, a rambunctious scoreboard, and let Nancy play
more spontaneous organ music. Not for nostalgia purposes, but
to better reflect the character of the team and its fans.

- tebman