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HebrewHammer
03-23-2004, 04:30 PM
With all the complaining about the organization, the ownership, the team, the color of the seats, the shower in the outfield, I was just wondering if you as a white sox fan still enjoyed watching or playing baseball.

poorme
03-23-2004, 04:33 PM
yes. but not nearly as much as I used to.

SoxEd
03-23-2004, 04:37 PM
Yes we do - we only kvetch so much about the side-issues you mention because we want the White Sox to be the 'winningest' side in Baseball, rather than the second-most 'losingest', and we sometimes think that other factors motivate the ownership more.

SSN721
03-23-2004, 04:38 PM
ABSOLUTELY NOT! :)

Fridaythe13thJason
03-23-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by HebrewHammer
With all the complaining about the organization, the ownership, the team, the color of the seats, the shower in the outfield, I was just wondering if you as a white sox fan still enjoyed watching or playing baseball.

Honestly, while I don't complain all that much at all, I love it. It's probably why I don't hate the Cubs as much as everyone else. I love baseball, so I'm happy I can watch 2 games a day in this market.

I love to play it, throw a ball, watch it, anything. It's beautiful.

soltrain21
03-23-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by UICJason
Honestly, while I don't complain all that much at all, I love it. It's probably why I don't hate the Cubs as much as everyone else. I love baseball, so I'm happy I can watch 2 games a day in this market.

I love to play it, throw a ball, watch it, anything. It's beautiful.

I agree, but I also love to hate the Cubs. You have to have a team to hate. Cheering against the Cubs during the day and cheering for the Sox at night is the most important part of my summer.

Fridaythe13thJason
03-23-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by soltrain21
I agree, but I also love to hate the Cubs. You have to have a team to hate. Cheering against the Cubs during the day and cheering for the Sox at night is the most important part of my summer.

I agree with hating a team...it can be fun. For me, it is not the Cubs. They are not even on my radar...there are Yankees, Twins, Indians, etc....that come first.

soltrain21
03-23-2004, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by UICJason
I agree with hating a team...it can be fun. For me, it is not the Cubs. They are not even on my radar...there are Yankees, Twins, Indians, etc....that come first.


I hate the Twins more than I hate the Cubs. I just don't get to see them on a daily basis like the Cubs.

ondafarm
03-23-2004, 05:03 PM
I don't like baseball, I love baseball.

To me its still the perfect game with a critical mano e mano confrontation and both fixed and mixed small group teamwork.

SoxEd
03-23-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I don't like baseball, I love baseball.

To me its still the perfect game with a critical mano e mano confrontation and both fixed and mixed small group teamwork.

If you can stand the tedium, you should watch some Cricket.
Mentally, it's very like Baseball, but stretched out (at its highest level) for up to 5 days :o: :o: :o: rather than approx. 5 hrs.
Also, mentally the Cricket Batsman's mindset is more akin to that of the Baseball Pitcher.

SoxBoy14
03-23-2004, 05:09 PM
If you don't like baseball then why would you be on a baseball website? I happen to love our national past time, if it still is.

chisoxmike
03-23-2004, 05:13 PM
I'm surprised nobody has done this...

:threadsucks


Why would we be here if we didn't like baseball. Every fan of every team complains about their team. Its apart of being a fan.

HebrewHammer
03-23-2004, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
I'm surprised nobody has done this...

:threadsucks


Why would we be here if we didn't like baseball. Every fan of every team complains about their team. Its apart of being a fan.

I think that's the point

TornLabrum
03-23-2004, 05:15 PM
What's baseball?

Foulke You
03-23-2004, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
I'm surprised nobody has done this...

:threadsucks


Why would we be here if we didn't like baseball. Every fan of every team complains about their team. Its apart of being a fan.

Agreed. If we didn't like baseball, we wouldn't be posting on a BASEBALL themed website about a major league BASEBALL team named the White Sox now would we?

That being said, baseball is the greatest game on Earth.

JohnBasedowYoda
03-23-2004, 05:56 PM
i love baseball and like most around here i also love to hate certain teams (yanks, twins, toons, and those other fools). and the thrill of going to a game (it helps if they win ya), doing some tailgaiting, mas drinkage.... so on and so on.

but it is stressful, witnessing the corpseball and some of the bonehead moves the front office makes can drive a man insane. it's part of the package and all we can do is wait for that day when our boys play in october

SoxFan76
03-23-2004, 06:38 PM
I don't think this thread sucks. It brings up a good point. Baseball has been the national pastime for so long, and now it's a joke. I know that is mostly due to Mr. Selig, but everyone wants fast paced X-Games crap. Even football has begun to bore me. SO MANY commercials and every commercial break is like 5 minutes long. Football is so choppy, there is barely any action.

Baseball is an almost perfect game. It combines physicality with mental skill, dexterity, quickness, concentration. Baseball has it all. It has the classic 1 on 1 duel between a pitcher and hitter, but it is far from an individual sport since if the ball ever hits the bat, you need those other 8 guys to help you out.

Best part about baseball? No clock.

ondafarm
03-23-2004, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by SoxEd
If you can stand the tedium, you should watch some Cricket.
Mentally, it's very like Baseball, but stretched out (at its highest level) for up to 5 days :o: :o: :o: rather than approx. 5 hrs.
Also, mentally the Cricket Batsman's mindset is more akin to that of the Baseball Pitcher.

Actually pulled a gig with the Kiwi Cricket team as their 'official' Swahili translator in Harare, Zimbabwe. They didn't need a translator because the Zimbabwe Cricket team are all ex-pats. I don't speak Swahili. Did meet President for Life Robert Mugabe. And had a ringside seat for a 5 day match. Only the introduction of Boodle's Gin to the hotel in Harare made the trip worthwhile. I disagree on the bowler's equality to a pitcher. Pitcher is more specialized.

Hangar18
03-24-2004, 08:21 AM
I love baseball as a game. I grew up around it, I played it,
I watched it, I talked it, I collected baseball cards.....
Everything baseball. BUT ive really grown to DISLIKE the MLB,
there has been So Much BS and NonSense going on the last 20 years. How do you ruin a sport? Well, ask the owners, they'll tell you. Youve got 4 teams too many (because of shortsighted idea that it would help the small market teams), youve got owners leaving teams for dead because they dont have Finances, then you have same owner running out and buying another team. there have been lockouts, strikes,
a cancelled world series, you have a team Refusing to go to western division (selfishly because they couldnt charge $$$$ primetime for most telecasts) undermining the Commissioners Power, eventually running him out of the game to be replaced by a puppet regime (another owner no less) YOu have owners of teams having improper and conflict-of-interest relationships with commissioners, leading to botched Contraction efforts, which lead to certain Messiah-like players being put on another team than they otherwise wouldve been put on, you have league looking the other way to Obvious and Blatant steroid use, in a foolish attempt at "winning back" the fans from the games previous foolish mistakes. You have teams ripping its fans off with questionable ticket selling practices (taking advantage of the foolish and lemming-like fan base) Now....you have bottom level teams that are giving away its players because it cant afford them, bottom level teams that are living off Salary Relief, and Pocketing revenue instead of reinvesting in its team/ Yeah, this is the game thats "saved"? I love baseball

SoxEd
03-24-2004, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
Actually pulled a gig with the Kiwi Cricket team as their 'official' Swahili translator in Harare, Zimbabwe. They didn't need a translator because the Zimbabwe Cricket team are all ex-pats. I don't speak Swahili. Did meet President for Life Robert Mugabe. And had a ringside seat for a 5 day match. Only the introduction of Boodle's Gin to the hotel in Harare made the trip worthwhile. I disagree on the bowler's equality to a pitcher. Pitcher is more specialized.

Are you sure? - I mean, Cricket has Off-spinners, Leg-Spinners, Seamers, swing bowlers and L- or R-handed variations of each.

Anyway, I said that mentally, the Cricket batsman is more like the Baseball pitcher - if a Pitcher gives up a HR it's relatively rare within a game and damaging to his side's chances - similarly, if a Cricket Batsman throws away his wicket, his team's in trouble as they only have a total of ten to play with.
So, both the Batsman and the Pitcher are under intense pressure not to screw up the team's chances, whereas if the Cricket Bowler gives up a load of runs, or the Baseball hitter strikes out, it's not really surprising and almost forgivable.

Still, you're dead right that a steady alcohol intake improves one's enjoyment of a Test Match.

ondafarm
03-24-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by SoxEd
Are you sure? - I mean, Cricket has Off-spinners, Leg-Spinners, Seamers, swing bowlers and L- or R-handed variations of each.

Anyway, I said that mentally, the Cricket batsman is more like the Baseball pitcher - if a Pitcher gives up a HR it's relatively rare within a game and damaging to his side's chances - similarly, if a Cricket Batsman throws away his wicket, his team's in trouble as they only have a total of ten to play with.
So, both the Batsman and the Pitcher are under intense pressure not to screw up the team's chances, whereas if the Cricket Bowler gives up a load of runs, or the Baseball hitter strikes out, it's not really surprising and almost forgivable.

Still, you're dead right that a steady alcohol intake improves one's enjoyment of a Test Match.

I see your point and agree about the pressure. Did see Tendulkar bat and when he went down at less than half a century, India was toast. Since the bowler typically comes on only for one over at a time bowling always seemed like more of a group effort. As far as the spinners, they depend more on the quality of the pitch.

Don't missunderstand, I'm not dissing cricket, it was much more subtle than I ever thought. I just don't think the degree of specialization which creates baseball pitchers was there in cricket. There are still plenty of good all-arounders in cricket, whereas I don't know any picthers who are more than fair hitters.

Deadguy
03-24-2004, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by HebrewHammer
With all the complaining about the organization, the ownership, the team, the color of the seats, the shower in the outfield, I was just wondering if you as a white sox fan still enjoyed watching or playing baseball.

I love history and stats, and baseball is the one sport that best combines both those aspects.

I also play slow pitch softball, but do it more to socialize than anything else.

whitesoxwilkes
03-24-2004, 08:01 PM
From Field Of Dreams:

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America is ruled by it like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again. Oh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.

Sad
03-25-2004, 08:16 AM
I LIVE for baseball.

SoxEd
03-26-2004, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I see your point and agree about the pressure. Did see Tendulkar bat and when he went down at less than half a century, India was toast. Since the bowler typically comes on only for one over at a time bowling always seemed like more of a group effort. As far as the spinners, they depend more on the quality of the pitch.

Don't missunderstand, I'm not dissing cricket, it was much more subtle than I ever thought. I just don't think the degree of specialization which creates baseball pitchers was there in cricket. There are still plenty of good all-arounders in cricket, whereas I don't know any picthers who are more than fair hitters.

You're right about the condition of the pitch affecting the bowlers' performance, and it applies equally to the seamers as well as the spinners.

India are a total homebody team - they are absolutely outstanding when they play at home, but when they play abroad, they're as bad as the Sox on an AL West trip.

The apparent use of bowlers for only one over at a time is because the next over is bowled from the other end, then you're back to the original end again.
The switch around is to give the bowlers a rest between overs - they are NOT allowed to throw the ball - the ball must be delivered with no straightening of the arm during the delivery - which means that they rely heavily on the run-up to get up to the 80-90+mph that the top 'fast' ones bowl at.

I don't agree about the relative lack of specialisation of the bowler though - although this is probably due to my lack of depth of understanding of Baseball's nuances - in Cricket you get specialist 'new ball' bowlers, 'old ball' bowlers, swing bowlers, reverse-swing bowlers.

Cricket is similar to Baseball in many ways, and utterly different in many others, and I think this explains the relative abundance of pretty decent all-rounders in Cricket compared to pitchers who can hit in MLB. Most likely it is the realtively huge amount of money available to Baseball players, and at stake for clubs, which means that the training and specialisation of pitching over hitting is that much more intense.

I'm still ashamed of the fielders' throwing of the ball in Cricket compared to MLB - only the Aussie side has used Baseball coaches to teach their team to throw - and their fielding is streets ahead of anyone else in the world as a result. Why can't the ECB hire a retired Baseball coach to do the same for us???

It would be good to sit down and talk both games through over a beer or two, but I'm on the wrong side of the pond :(: