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blueeyes33
03-20-2004, 10:36 AM
Here is a list of crimes commited within a 2 week period. you tell me which area is more crime riddin.

WRIGLEYVILLE CRIME

3/2/04 5:08:24 PM 0560 ASSAULT SIMPLE ASSAULT Sidewalk 36XX N CLARK ST

3/4/04 1:32:00 AM 143A WEAPONS VIOLATION UNLAWFUL POSS OF HANDGUN Street 35XX N CLARK ST

3 3/5/04 2:21:10 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Street N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/5/04 4:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W NEWPORT AVE

3/5/04 5:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 34XX N SEMINARY AVE

3/6/04 1:41:26 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Bar Or Tavern N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/6/04 5:30:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W CORNELIA AVE

3/6/04 9:30:00 PM 1320 CRIMINAL DAMAGE CRIM DAMAGE TO VEHICLE Street N N 37XX N RACINE AVE

3/7/04 2:00:00 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Restaurant N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/9/04 12:01:00 AM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Bar Or Tavern N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/10/04 8:07:17 PM 0453 BATTERY AGG BATT:P.O.:OTHER DANG WEAP Cta Platform Y N 9XX W ADDISON ST

3/10/04 8:30:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Street N N 12XX W EDDY ST

3/11/04 9:00:00 PM 0910 MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT AUTOMOBILE Parking Lot/Garage(Non.Resid.) N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE



BRIDGEPORT CRIME


3/4/04 5:30:00 AM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Parking Lot/Garage(Non.Resid.) N N 3XX W 35TH ST

3/4/04 3:00:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Sports Arena/Stadium N N 3XX W 35TH ST

3/5/04 5:05:00 PM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Cta Bus

SoxFan76
03-20-2004, 10:47 AM
That's interesting, but try telling a Cub fan that. All you will get is the popular "SOX SUCK!", or "WRIGLEY IS BETTER!"

SSN721
03-20-2004, 10:50 AM
I dont beleive it, you must have made that up because all the papers say how dangerous it is on the south side. Facts dont change that. :D:

doctor30th
03-20-2004, 11:09 AM
Actually I heard they are building alot of nice townhomes and homes around the Bridgport area.

I guess Chris Zurich just bought a nice Townhome down there, the wiseguys were talking about it and how nice the neighborhood was becoming, not that it was really so horrible before.

Some people think that with all the new nice construction going on it will help the sox. Fingers crossed.

SoxBoy14
03-20-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by SoxFan76
That's interesting, but try telling a Cub fan that. All you will get is the popular "SOX SUCK!", or "WRIGLEY IS BETTER!"

Or the ever popular "No!" blank look "You're making that up"

CubKilla
03-20-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
Here is a list of crimes commited within a 2 week period.

It's interesting to see a 2 week breakdown. Additionally, the 2 week span is pretty much representative of the yearly numbers according to Chicago's UCR breakdown at the end of every stat collecting year. Wrigleyville leads Bridgeport in most arrest areas. Off the top of my head, the only area where Bridgeport actually beat out Wrigleyville was drug arrests..... and it wasn't by many surprisingly.

Dubman
03-20-2004, 11:51 AM
Law enforcement have known for a long time that crime around The Urnial is much worse than The Cell. My brother's friend is a Chicago Policeman who worked part time at sporting events and always has good stories to tell. Unfortunately he became apart of Cub fan lore, when working security on the L platform after a Scucb game , he approached three smoking 'fans' to tell them to extinguish their smokes when one of them turned around and punched him . The other two started in punching and kicking him. His fellow off-duty cops jumped in and saved him but not before not before a fractured cheek bone and a nasty cut on his lip.

Could you imagine if three Sox fans jumped an off-duty cop outside The Cell? Every boob-tuber across the nation would know about it.

Iwritecode
03-20-2004, 11:53 AM
What ever happened to Nellie?

Wasn't he the one who posted the numbers that showed all violent acts within a 5-mile radius surrounding each stadium?

1951Campbell
03-20-2004, 11:58 AM
Someone should cut and paste that on every Cubs message board.

DrCrawdad
03-20-2004, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Dubman
Law enforcement have known for a long time that crime around The Urnial is much worse than The Cell. My brother's friend is a Chicago Policeman who worked part time at sporting events and always has good stories to tell. Unfortunately he became apart of Cub fan lore, when working security on the L platform after a Scucb game , he approached three smoking 'fans' to tell them to extinguish their smokes when one of them turned around and punched him . The other two started in punching and kicking him. His fellow off-duty cops jumped in and saved him but not before not before a fractured cheek bone and a nasty cut on his lip.

Could you imagine if three Sox fans jumped an off-duty cop outside The Cell? Every boob-tuber across the nation would know about it.

I remember when that assault happened. The funny thing was, IIRC, it was after a Cubbie game albeit hours afterward but then so was the much ballyhooed reported assault on "Huge." Anyway the reporter that I saw was reporting from the EL station where the officer was assaulted and there was virtually no mention of the crime occurring at the WRIGLEYVILLE EL STATION!

When crimes like the one above happen people often take the view of, 'Hey those things happen in cities...' However on the rare occasion that a violent crime occurs outside The Cell, even when it has absolutely no connection to the Sox, it gets reported as somehow proof of the dangerous neighborhood of The Cell.

hsnterprize
03-20-2004, 12:26 PM
As long as folks keep posting statistics like this with credible back-up, I just might send them to a few folks I know in the press. As long as the numbers are undisputable, the reporters and such have no other choice but to either report them as fact or disregard them. In that case, keep posting the numbers and keep making noise about how great Wrigleyville is.

Shoeless Joe
03-20-2004, 12:51 PM
I'd like to thank everyone for pointing this out. I was explaining this exact topic to a couple of Cubs fans. Needless to say my blood pressure began to rise after about two minutes of talking to them. I would have had a better conversation talking to a rock (at least a rock wouldn't say so many inane things).

I told them that the media has brainwashed the city into thinking that Wrigleyville is a lot safer than the Bridgeport area, which in the last couple of years (maybe more?) has been false. Their response to this was classic: "Well maybe if you guys had a better park that wouldn't be happening." All I could do after that was take a deep breath and try not to go berserk.

The point is that the media is scared out of their minds to report stuff like this because they would literally take a bullet to protect their precious Cubs mystique. And that just makes me sick.

santo=dorf
03-20-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33


WRIGLEYVILLE CRIME

3/2/04 5:08:24 PM 0560 ASSAULT SIMPLE ASSAULT Sidewalk 36XX N CLARK ST

3/4/04 1:32:00 AM 143A WEAPONS VIOLATION UNLAWFUL POSS OF HANDGUN Street 35XX N CLARK ST

3 3/5/04 2:21:10 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Street N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/5/04 4:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W NEWPORT AVE

3/5/04 5:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 34XX N SEMINARY AVE

3/6/04 1:41:26 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Bar Or Tavern N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/6/04 5:30:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W CORNELIA AVE

3/6/04 9:30:00 PM 1320 CRIMINAL DAMAGE CRIM DAMAGE TO VEHICLE Street N N 37XX N RACINE AVE

3/7/04 2:00:00 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Restaurant N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/9/04 12:01:00 AM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Bar Or Tavern N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/10/04 8:07:17 PM 0453 BATTERY AGG BATT:P.O.:OTHER DANG WEAP Cta Platform Y N 9XX W ADDISON ST

3/10/04 8:30:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Street N N 12XX W EDDY ST

3/11/04 9:00:00 PM 0910 MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT AUTOMOBILE Parking Lot/Garage(Non.Resid.) N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE


:woo-woo

"The b**** set me up!"

cubhater
03-20-2004, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by doctor30th
Actually I heard they are building alot of nice townhomes and homes around the Bridgport area.

I guess Chris Zurich just bought a nice Townhome down there, the wiseguys were talking about it and how nice the neighborhood was becoming, not that it was really so horrible before.

Some people think that with all the new nice construction going on it will help the sox. Fingers crossed.

There's a lot of new construction and rehabbing going on here. An old warehouse near 35th/Morgan is converting to lofts with prices $180-360K. Plus Bridgeport Village is the largest new single family housing development in the city in the past couple decades and some homes are going for a million bucks.

The police station on 35th will soon move to a new location next to the housing project at 31st/Halstead which is great and I've noticed less gangbangers on Morgan St.

Yes, Bridgeport is up and coming! :gulp:

gosox41
03-20-2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
Here is a list of crimes commited within a 2 week period. you tell me which area is more crime riddin.

WRIGLEYVILLE CRIME

3/2/04 5:08:24 PM 0560 ASSAULT SIMPLE ASSAULT Sidewalk 36XX N CLARK ST

3/4/04 1:32:00 AM 143A WEAPONS VIOLATION UNLAWFUL POSS OF HANDGUN Street 35XX N CLARK ST

3 3/5/04 2:21:10 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Street N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/5/04 4:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W NEWPORT AVE

3/5/04 5:00:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 34XX N SEMINARY AVE

3/6/04 1:41:26 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Bar Or Tavern N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE

3/6/04 5:30:00 PM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Street N N 11XX W CORNELIA AVE

3/6/04 9:30:00 PM 1320 CRIMINAL DAMAGE CRIM DAMAGE TO VEHICLE Street N N 37XX N RACINE AVE

3/7/04 2:00:00 AM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Restaurant N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/9/04 12:01:00 AM 0820 THEFT THEFT:$300 AND UNDER Bar Or Tavern N N 35XX N CLARK ST

3/10/04 8:07:17 PM 0453 BATTERY AGG BATT:P.O.:OTHER DANG WEAP Cta Platform Y N 9XX W ADDISON ST

3/10/04 8:30:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Street N N 12XX W EDDY ST

3/11/04 9:00:00 PM 0910 MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT AUTOMOBILE Parking Lot/Garage(Non.Resid.) N N 36XX N SHEFFIELD AVE



BRIDGEPORT CRIME


3/4/04 5:30:00 AM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Parking Lot/Garage(Non.Resid.) N N 3XX W 35TH ST

3/4/04 3:00:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Sports Arena/Stadium N N 3XX W 35TH ST

3/5/04 5:05:00 PM 0460 BATTERY SIMPLE BATTERY Cta Bus

Aren't there more people living near Wrigley then the Cell? What's the crime rate per 1000 people?

Bob

chisoxmike
03-20-2004, 02:19 PM
Try telling a Cubs fan this. Like everything, they won't accept "the truth." Reality as some will call it. They won't ever admit to this, they'll just shake their heads and say "No, the Sox play in a bad neighborhood, and they suck."

I'm getting to the point where I never want to talk baseball with a Cubs fan becuase I'd rather bash my head against a wall.

santo=dorf
03-20-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
Aren't there more people living near Wrigley then the Cell? What's the crime rate per 1000 people?

Bob

13/3 =4.33333333333. Do you think there are 4.33333333 times as many people around Wrigley than USCF? Cub fans always say there is more crime around USCF than Wrigely. 13>3.

Hangar18
03-20-2004, 02:29 PM
Blueeyes33, THIS wins TIMELY THREAD OF THE MONTH award
(given away by me) This is crazy, was just talking to my sister about this, and how I ran into some Hottie who, Like Dusty Baker, just Spouts off things and doesnt care whether its the TRUTH or not. There have been so many Rapes in that area also....of course, the Cubune, CLTV and WGN are quick to just
say "north side" crime. nice job man. Im going to print
that and keep it in my wallet. Whats Mike Kiley, Murph from the Score and the rest of the cubloving media going to think now?

santo=dorf
03-20-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Whats Mike Kiley, Murph from the Score and the rest of the cubloving media going to think now?

The crimes were probably committed by dangerous Sox fans.

DrCrawdad
03-20-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
Aren't there more people living near Wrigley then the Cell? What's the crime rate per 1000 people?

Bob

Does that matter? When you're talking about which area has more crime/which area is safer, I don't see how population is relevant. The point is that there is much more crime around The Shrine than around The Cell, completely opposite of the popular opinion.

TornLabrum
03-20-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Shoeless Joe
I'd like to thank everyone for pointing this out. I was explaining this exact topic to a couple of Cubs fans. Needless to say my blood pressure began to rise after about two minutes of talking to them. I would have had a better conversation talking to a rock (at least a rock wouldn't say so many inane things).

I told them that the media has brainwashed the city into thinking that Wrigleyville is a lot safer than the Bridgeport area, which in the last couple of years (maybe more?) has been false. Their response to this was classic: "Well maybe if you guys had a better park that wouldn't be happening." All I could do after that was take a deep breath and try not to go berserk.

The point is that the media is scared out of their minds to report stuff like this because they would literally take a bullet to protect their precious Cubs mystique. And that just makes me sick.

Nah...the real reason the media won't report it is because the Wrigleyville area is predominantly white while if you go a few blocks from The Cell, there are people of a different color. In case you haven't noticed, if you watch the media, you are left with the distinct impression that most criminals are members of minorities.

ewokpelts
03-20-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Nah...the real reason the media won't report it is because the Wrigleyville area is predominantly white while if you go a few blocks from The Cell, there are people of a different color. In case you haven't noticed, if you watch the media, you are left with the distinct impression that most criminals are members of minorities.

Are you saying that White People commit crimes?
Gene

DrCrawdad
03-20-2004, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Nah...the real reason the media won't report it is because the Wrigleyville area is predominantly white while if you go a few blocks from The Cell, there are people of a different color. In case you haven't noticed, if you watch the media, you are left with the distinct impression that most criminals are members of minorities.

Great point Torn. The underlying, and rarely addressed directly, reason why people say The Cell is in a bad neighborhood is because it's on the southside and wink, wink that means that you might see blacks.

ewokpelts
03-20-2004, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Great point Torn. The underlying, and rarely addressed directly, reason why people say The Cell is in a bad neighborhood is because it's on the southside and wink, wink that means that you might see blacks.

But the funny thing is, I see more bums/scalpers by Wrigley vs by the cell.
Gene

ericiii
03-20-2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by ewokpelts
But the funny thing is, I see more bums/scalpers by Wrigley vs by the cell.
Gene

Our bums at the cell are productive and entertainting. They play the 5 gallon drum buckets, saxophone, and some even give me deals on peanuts.

pearso66
03-20-2004, 04:18 PM
Our bums at the cell are productive and entertainting. They play the 5 gallon drum buckets, saxophone, and some even give me deals on peanuts.

Welcome ericii, You are right, I love goin to the games and hearin all the instruments being played, especially after a win. They always put me in a better mood for some reason. I have never seen that outside of Wrigley, but its been a while since ive been around there so who knows if its there anymore.

we all know its those musicians who are the ones "stealing" our money

DSpivack
03-20-2004, 04:20 PM
Great thread. Does anyone have annual crime statistics?

ericiii
03-20-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by DSpivack
Great thread. Does anyone have annual crime statistics?

I could only find 2002's crime statistics. It is in PDF format...page 21. Also, the report does not list Wrigleyville that I can see, so I am assuming that Cub area would be considered Lakeview?

Link (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/02AnnualReport.pdf)

DSpivack
03-20-2004, 04:55 PM
thanks!

TornLabrum
03-20-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by ericiii
I could only find 2002's crime statistics. It is in PDF format...page 21. Also, the report does not list Wrigleyville that I can see, so I am assuming that Cub area would be considered Lakeview?

Link (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/02AnnualReport.pdf)

You would be correct. "Wrigleyville" is a media (read Tribune Co.) creation.

duke of dorwood
03-20-2004, 07:25 PM
Not listed was the crime of purchasing Cub tickets

Dubman
03-20-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Nah...the real reason the media won't report it is because the Wrigleyville area is predominantly white while if you go a few blocks from The Cell, there are people of a different color. In case you haven't noticed, if you watch the media, you are left with the distinct impression that most criminals are members of minorities.

The initial attacker in the fore mentioned El attack was someone 'of a different color', so your reasoning doesn't apply. Race is to complex a subject for such a generalization Torn, and you a man of science :o: !

TornLabrum
03-20-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Dubman
The initial attacker in the fore mentioned El attack was someone 'of a different color', so your reasoning doesn't apply. Race is to complex a subject for such a generalization Torn, and you a man of science :o: !

Ah, so he was an outsider to the neighborhood! And you think you know the media! :D:

bigbohock
03-21-2004, 09:37 AM
You are absolutely right Wrigley is crime ridden

gosox41
03-21-2004, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by santo=dorf
13/3 =4.33333333333. Do you think there are 4.33333333 times as many people around Wrigley than USCF? Cub fans always say there is more crime around USCF than Wrigely. 13>3.

I never counted.

Also this is just one two week randome sample.

Pesonally I hope Wrigley does have more crime then the area around the Cell. It's good PR. I'm just not excited about a random number witout kowing all the facts.

Bob

Dubman
03-21-2004, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Ah, so he was an outsider to the neighborhood! And you think you know the media! :D:


Actually they were outsiders to the neighborhood; Bolingbrook to be precise.

No I don't think I know the media but I have learned not to trust everything I see or read from them. If you think the media is out to make minorities look bad; I say the media is out to make all minorities (the middle class on down) look bad.

And now the last word from Torn.

CubKilla
03-21-2004, 01:07 PM
AM1000's new ad campaign.....

LESS CRIME 8.1 MILES SOUTH

Palehose13
03-21-2004, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
I never counted.

Also this is just one two week randome sample.

Pesonally I hope Wrigley does have more crime then the area around the Cell. It's good PR. I'm just not excited about a random number witout kowing all the facts.

Bob

My dad was a Chicago cop for 32 years (retired last year). According to him it is a well-known fact among Chicago's finest that the wrigley area has more crime than bridgeport.

Sidenote(true story): my dad and I went to the "crosstown classic" in 1992 (I think), when it still was an exhibition game. We sat in the UD rightfield corner (that's all we could get).
#1. He knew a lot of the off-duty cops that worked the Sox games.
#2. He had the aisle seat.

So...a cub and sox fan get into a fight about 10-15 rows behind us. Security goes to break it up and the cub fan decks one of the cops in the face and starts running down the stairs to get away. My dad timed it perfectly and just as he passes, my dad tackles him and while holding him down gets his badge out of his back pocket so the security guards wouldn't think he was trying to start something. I was (still am) a very proud daughter that day! :D:

Palehose13
03-21-2004, 05:31 PM
One more thing, my dad had absolutely no problem with me going to see a Sox game with my friends when I was a teen. However, he did not want us to go hang out around Clark.

mikef1331
03-21-2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by ericiii
Our bums at the cell are productive and entertainting. They play the 5 gallon drum buckets, saxophone, and some even give me deals on peanuts.

That one guy who plays the sax is always entertaining, where else are you gonna hear the Sanford and Son or The Simpsons theme songs as you walk to your car.

daveeym
03-21-2004, 10:54 PM
Sorry, didn't want to read the entire thread, so if this has been said my apoligies, but Honestly this should be a non-issue to be debated. Ignore cub fans because as the area around comiskey changes for the better crime WILL go up. Drunk stupid crimanal occurrences that happen at wrigley will follow down to the cell as the area gets hipper and better off. While cubs fan may not know **** and use crime as an argument I think a quick "go look at the city stats" is sufficient and that comparing the areas is silly. The Cell is basically surrounded by alot of industry and vacancies and the crime WILL raise as money rolls in.

PaleHoseGeorge
03-21-2004, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
You would be correct. "Wrigleyville" is a media (read Tribune Co.) creation.

The local media downplays the trouble around Wrigleyville because they have a vested interest in shilling on behalf of local interest. The Chicago media reporting on crime around Wrigleyville is akin to the New Orleans media reporting on crime in the French Quarter.

Ain't gonna happen...

:giangreco
"Crime statistics? No way! Let's fill up some airtime with more shots of those empty blue seats on the South Side!"

maurice
03-22-2004, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Does that matter? When you're talking about which area has more crime/which area is safer, I don't see how population is relevant. The point is that there is much more crime around The Shrine than around The Cell, completely opposite of the popular opinion.

You're right, Doc. The issue is whether a fan attending a game is likely to be the victim of a crime, which has nothing to do with crime per capita.

It's nuts to think that the crime rate will increase because of (1) an influx of millions dollar homes on land formerly occupied by vacant industrial buildings, and (2) the replacement of high-rise, high-density, very-low-income housing projects with low-rise, low-density, mixed-income develpments.

blueeyes33
03-22-2004, 01:53 PM
hey go sox...this 2 week is just a random sample?

have you ever actually been to bridgeport?? this neighborhood has hardly no crime what so ever.it may have its share but who doesnt.

the only time u even see homeless people is when there is a sox game going on.you will NEVER see a crack head walking thru the area becuase there is nothing here for them

i can post any 2 weeks you want and u will see the crime is all over the place up there.they take the cake every time.

ive worked in wriglyville as a DJ and i know how it is up there. they got transvestite hookers walkin around all in the open. they got drug deals goin on in the middle of the street. its garbage

its ghetto as hell up there.its like skid row.

its just that yuppies are now movin in cause of the depaul and cause of all the bars and clubs and all that stuff so now its got some younger people livin there who are mmaking money.but that doesnt mean its a good neighborhood.u still have the garbage that have been in wrigleyville since the begining.

however bridgeport has been a nice neighborhood forever, its been a nice area and will continue to become nicer in the years to come.and thats probably why you wont see 35th become more like wrigleyville with all the bars and clubs.because people in this neighborhood dont want that. we dont need this to become another problem area in the city.we like it quite and nice.

blueeyes33
03-22-2004, 01:58 PM
and too the other guys saying its silly to compair the two because the cell is surrounded by facotrys and industrial areas? i live 2 blocks away on 33rd and stewart.right by the parking lot.and its ALL neighborhood north of me until you get into downtown. west of me is all neighborhood.south is the cell.east is all IIT buildings for students and projects which are VACANT now and will be replaced with condos or townhomes.
south of the cell is neighborhoods too, projects...

so where is this industrial zone.? are you talkin about back of the yards? that doesnt start until 39th street and only goes from halsted too ashland.that is not the area around the cell.so i think your mistaken.sorry!

ewokpelts
03-22-2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
hey go sox...this 2 week is just a random sample?

have you ever actually been to bridgeport?? this neighborhood has hardly no crime what so ever.it may have its share but who doesnt.

the only time u even see homeless people is when there is a sox game going on.you will NEVER see a crack head walking thru the area becuase there is nothing here for them

i can post any 2 weeks you want and u will see the crime is all over the place up there.they take the cake every time.

ive worked in wriglyville as a DJ and i know how it is up there. they got transvestite hookers walkin around all in the open. they got drug deals goin on in the middle of the street. its garbage

its ghetto as hell up there.its like skid row.

its just that yuppies are now movin in cause of the depaul and cause of all the bars and clubs and all that stuff so now its got some younger people livin there who are mmaking money.but that doesnt mean its a good neighborhood.u still have the garbage that have been in wrigleyville since the begining.

however bridgeport has been a nice neighborhood forever, its been a nice area and will continue to become nicer in the years to come.and thats probably why you wont see 35th become more like wrigleyville with all the bars and clubs.because people in this neighborhood dont want that. we dont need this to become another problem area in the city.we like it quite and nice.

mebbe the sox'll draw better if they had transvestite hookers

uribe151
03-22-2004, 02:19 PM
wrigleyville has at least a thousand times as many people out walking around in March as bridgeport does...wise up!

Palehose13
03-22-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by uribe151
wrigleyville has at least a thousand times as many people out walking around in March as bridgeport does...wise up!
And your point is???

I think the point of this thread, which is very clear, is to debunk the myth that the cell is in a "bad" neighborhood. For instance, cub fans that one may run into may comment on the probability of "being shot" if going to a sox game. In reality it is safer to go to a Sox game and not just because the neighborhood is safer, but because of parking...no need to walk many blocks alone after the ball game.

uribe151
03-22-2004, 02:28 PM
only 3 good things in bridgeport:
1. healthy food restaurant
2. Polo Cafe jazz
3. bluebird at cermack and halsted

TornLabrum
03-22-2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by uribe151
only 3 good things in bridgeport:
1. healthy food restaurant
2. Polo Cafe jazz
3. bluebird at cermack and halsted

Is Johnny Frigo still playing at the Polo?

fledgedrallycap
03-22-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33

BRIDGEPORT CRIME



3/4/04 3:00:00 PM 0810 THEFT THEFT:OVER $300 Sports Arena/Stadium N N 3XX W 35TH ST


Anyone notice this one....That's Comiskey!

ewokpelts
03-22-2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by fledgedrallycap
Anyone notice this one....That's Comiskey!

::stormtrooper voice:: move along!

MisterB
03-22-2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by ewokpelts
mebbe the sox'll draw better if they had transvestite hookers

:crossdresser
Go Sox!

JohnBasedowYoda
03-22-2004, 03:17 PM
i've never really felt unsafe at either park, except for waiting for the train and almost being pushed onto to the freaking tracks by the urinal. Give a flubs fan 3 old styles and suddenly they try and fit as many goons on that landing platfrom as they can

soxnut
03-22-2004, 04:46 PM
www.som.com

For those interested in what Stateway Gardens will look like by 2006, go to this site. It's in the residential projects-upper left section-Stateway Gardens Redevelopment Master Plan.

jabrch
03-22-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by soxnut
www.som.com

For those interested in what Stateway Gardens will look like by 2006, go to this site. It's in the residential projects-upper left section-Stateway Gardens Redevelopment Master Plan.

Wait - where's the crack dealers and the muggers that everyone tells me about?

blueeyes33
03-22-2004, 07:40 PM
more than 3 good things in bridgeport other than the 3 you listed

1)francos (italian food) 31st&princeton
2)la milanese (southern italian/sicilian food) 32nd&aberdeen
3)freddies/punkies/donnies ,3 but ill combine since they serve the same stuff basicaly
4)karioke at punchinello's on friday 31st&wells
5)maxwell st depot on 31st
6)ONIAC
7)Gio's resturant 28th&lowe
8) pancho pistola's! 31st&union


i can go on but i gotta get ready for work.

and by the way 22nd and halsted isnt bridgeport its pilsen.


i really wish people wouldnt make remarks on a neighborhood unless they are a) from it or b) have been in it for more than the reason of going to a sox game.

if you wanna talk about the cell go ahead.but the majority of people making bad comments about my neighborhood really have no idea about what they are talking about

but hey go check out all those places next time your all around and youll see that there are great places to go in this neighborhood.

kittle545feet
03-22-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
Aren't there more people living near Wrigley then the Cell? What's the crime rate per 1000 people?

Bob this might be the worst point i've ever heard in a cub-sox argument. its not about how many people, its about the amount of attacks. thats what makes a neighborhood safe, not the amount of people. duh! :angry:

kittle545feet
03-22-2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Nah...the real reason the media won't report it is because the Wrigleyville area is predominantly white while if you go a few blocks from The Cell, there are people of a different color. In case you haven't noticed, if you watch the media, you are left with the distinct impression that most criminals are members of minorities. most criminals are members of minority groups but the media doesn't want to keep making the point so it tries to spread its coverage out over ethnic backgrounds. :o:

kittle545feet
03-22-2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by jabrch


Wait - where's the crack dealers and the muggers that everyone tells me about? i don't think you read the column to the right. it plainly says "public housing" project. guess who lives in public housing? :o:

Daver
03-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by kittle545feet
i don't think you read the column to the right. it plainly says "public housing" project. guess who lives in public housing? :o:


The public?

gosox41
03-22-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
hey go sox...this 2 week is just a random sample?

have you ever actually been to bridgeport?? this neighborhood has hardly no crime what so ever.it may have its share but who doesnt.

the only time u even see homeless people is when there is a sox game going on.you will NEVER see a crack head walking thru the area becuase there is nothing here for them

i can post any 2 weeks you want and u will see the crime is all over the place up there.they take the cake every time.

ive worked in wriglyville as a DJ and i know how it is up there. they got transvestite hookers walkin around all in the open. they got drug deals goin on in the middle of the street. its garbage

its ghetto as hell up there.its like skid row.

its just that yuppies are now movin in cause of the depaul and cause of all the bars and clubs and all that stuff so now its got some younger people livin there who are mmaking money.but that doesnt mean its a good neighborhood.u still have the garbage that have been in wrigleyville since the begining.

however bridgeport has been a nice neighborhood forever, its been a nice area and will continue to become nicer in the years to come.and thats probably why you wont see 35th become more like wrigleyville with all the bars and clubs.because people in this neighborhood dont want that. we dont need this to become another problem area in the city.we like it quite and nice.

Easy there. I'd be curious to to see more 2 week samples. And yeah population does matter. Why not go play in some cornfield in Iowa, I guarantee there's no crime there.

And there is garbage in Bridgeport. And Yuppies are going to be moving into some of those fancy lofts they're building.

Two serious enough incidents have happened in the last few years that come imediately to mind around Bridgemport:

1. The Lenard Clark beating. I wasn't in town when in this happened, but I thought there was talk of a cover up in trial or someone skipping town or witness being intimidated. Either way, he kid was almost killed in Bridgeport.

2. The homeless guy with the piano leg that beat the family. The father was killed and the daughter has permanent memory loss.

Now before you get more defensive, In ever said things in Wrigleyville are perfect, far from it.

And I can't say I'm not suprised there's so few homeless people hanging out (which is a good thing). There's not much to around there.

Last, I hope others who bash JR for not opening bars and restaurants are reading this post. It's been admitted here by a resident that they don't want all those bars and restaurants. So next time one feels the need to blame JR for so few places to hang after a game, I guess it's not 100% his fault.

Bob

gosox41
03-22-2004, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by kittle545feet
this might be the worst point i've ever heard in a cub-sox argument. its not about how many people, its about the amount of attacks. thats what makes a neighborhood safe, not the amount of people. duh! :angry:

Noit necessarily.

Bob

TornLabrum
03-22-2004, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
more than 3 good things in bridgeport other than the 3 you listed

1)francos (italian food) 31st&princeton
2)la milanese (southern italian/sicilian food) 32nd&aberdeen
3)freddies/punkies/donnies ,3 but ill combine since they serve the same stuff basicaly
4)karioke at punchinello's on friday 31st&wells
5)maxwell st depot on 31st
6)ONIAC
7)Gio's resturant 28th&lowe
8) pancho pistola's! 31st&union


i can go on but i gotta get ready for work.

and by the way 22nd and halsted isnt bridgeport its pilsen.


i really wish people wouldnt make remarks on a neighborhood unless they are a) from it or b) have been in it for more than the reason of going to a sox game.

if you wanna talk about the cell go ahead.but the majority of people making bad comments about my neighborhood really have no idea about what they are talking about

but hey go check out all those places next time your all around and youll see that there are great places to go in this neighborhood.

You left out Schaller's.

soxnut
03-22-2004, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by kittle545feet
i don't think you read the column to the right. it plainly says "public housing" project. guess who lives in public housing? :o:


It is a "public housing" project that is scheduled for redevelopment. That means the people who you think are going to live there aren't. They're going to ship them out to your neck of the woods :D:

blueeyes33
03-22-2004, 11:30 PM
i didnt say crimes dont happen here.i was pointing out a fact that the crime situation in wrigleyville is far worse than in bridgeport.

i also never said anything about population not being a factor. i agree that it is.but still.in that one week sample they have more than 3 times the No of crimes than on the SS.

however the fact of the matter still is as is.and ill post some more weeks for ya so dont even trip


and yea...schallers is great.

what about lawerence fisherys, or southside shrimp house, or remember andersons on ashland.

soxnut
03-22-2004, 11:36 PM
I think the Bridgeport neighborhood is pretty cool. Last friday, my car broke down near 37th and Parnell. I don't own a cell phone, so, at first I thought I was kinda screwed. But I saw an older gentleman come out of his house, I asked him if I could use his phone to call for a tow. He let me use it, and an hour later, I was on my way. He mentioned that they sell hotdogs on the corner during the season. I'll be sure to stop by on my way to a game. :smile:

blueeyes33
03-22-2004, 11:42 PM
oh hell yeah.all thru the neighborhood they sell hot dogs all summer long.and also thos tomtom tamales on a bun.i forgot about that one

minastirith67
03-22-2004, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by mikef1331
That one guy who plays the sax is always entertaining, where else are you gonna hear the Sanford and Son or The Simpsons theme songs as you walk to your car.


I personally prefer better "free" musicians to listen to, but they're amusing nonetheless. I would like better talent among the street musicians and maybe I will give them money.

soxnut
03-22-2004, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
oh hell yeah.all thru the neighborhood they sell hot dogs all summer long.and also thos tomtom tamales on a bun.i forgot about that one


Now that you have mentioned that alot of people sell hot dogs, I was wondering, what is the general feeling of having the Sox in the neighborhood? What do people really think of having them there?

blueeyes33
03-23-2004, 02:44 AM
well...im a sox fan obviously...so its a really good thing for me. except for the fact that it sucks when theres no parking cause everyone drives around and takes ours in the neighborhood cause so manypeople are too cheap to payfor it.but otherthan that i love it.i can walk to a game.so whos complaining about that!

but i mean honestly its no big deal.its been there since iwas born and im sure itll be there when i die.so its alwaysbeen there.its kinda like if i asked you how it feels being born with 2 legs. u know what i mean.im prettysure 99% of bridgeporters feel this way.since inever hear anyone complain about anything except for the parking thing oncein a while.

OneDog
03-23-2004, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
well...im a sox fan obviously...so its a really good thing for me. except for the fact that it sucks when theres no parking cause everyone drives around and takes ours in the neighborhood cause so manypeople are too cheap to payfor it.but otherthan that i love it.i can walk to a game.so whos complaining about that!

but i mean honestly its no big deal.its been there since iwas born and im sure itll be there when i die.so its alwaysbeen there.its kinda like if i asked you how it feels being born with 2 legs. u know what i mean.im prettysure 99% of bridgeporters feel this way.since inever hear anyone complain about anything except for the parking thing oncein a while.

I live off the west side, so I have always paid for parking when I go to games.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they call the tow trucks if someone without a permit parks in your area?

Just Wondering.

steff
03-23-2004, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by fledgedrallycap
Anyone notice this one....That's Comiskey!


Probably an employee theft.

maurice
03-23-2004, 02:44 PM
FWIW, the Lenard Clark beating was seven years ago. There are more recent examples of violent crime, but that's really not the point. Any urban area has violent crime. Bridgeport just has a heck of a lot less violent crime than other areas of the city which are considered "safe," including the area around Wrigley Field. In particular, rapes and armed roberies are relatively prevalent in North Side yuppie neighborhoods populated by non-Chicagoans with zero street smarts. They're constantly in the news, though proximity to Wrigley is rarely (if ever) reported.

Today's Cub-Times indicates that police have linked a suspect in custody to six North Side rapes but stressed that another (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-rape23.html) North Side serial rapist currently is at large.

thepaulbowski
03-23-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by OneDog
I live off the west side, so I have always paid for parking when I go to games.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they call the tow trucks if someone without a permit parks in your area?

Just Wondering.

Normally they just ticket the car.

thepaulbowski
03-23-2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by maurice
FWIW, the Lenard Clark beating was seven years ago. There are more recent examples of violent crime, but that's really not the point. Any urban area has violent crime. Bridgeport just has a heck of a lot less violent crime than other areas of the city which are considered "safe," including the area around Wrigley Field. In particular, rapes and armed roberies are relatively prevalent in North Side yuppie neighborhoods populated by non-Chicagoans with zero street smarts. They're constantly in the news, though proximity to Wrigley is rarely (if ever) reported.

Today's Cub-Times indicates that police have linked a suspect in custody to six North Side rapes but stressed that another (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-rape23.html) North Side serial rapist currently is at large.

You forgot that 20 year old skeleton they dug up this past summer. It's just not safe to be in the neighborhood! People might find your skeleton twenty years down the road. :)

maurice
03-23-2004, 05:02 PM
The Cubune has a map of suspected serial rapes in North Side yuppie neighborhoods, the vast majority of which occurred within the past year. Strangely, the map does not reflect the presence of the Urinal within spitting distance of several of them. The map also does not reflect non-serial rapes.

http://images.chicagotribune.com/media/graphic/2004-03/11349146.jpg

maurice
03-23-2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by thepaulbowski
You forgot that 20 year old skeleton they dug up this past summer. It's just not safe to be in the neighborhood! People might find your skeleton twenty years down the road.

Good one.

IIRC, it was fantastically underreported that they found only a single human tooth. The rest of the bones were not human.

Hangar18
03-24-2004, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by maurice
Good one.

IIRC, it was fantastically underreported that they found only a single human tooth. The rest of the bones were not human.

I do remember that they only found a tooth. now in my opinion,
where theres smoke theres fire. However, I remember how they kept mentioning in news reports "in the shadow of US Cellular Field". That map is excellent because they DONT POINT OUT WHERE WRIGLEY IS. Isnt that a load of BS???

maurice
03-24-2004, 01:53 PM
If there was a body there, they would have found it. An FBI team was there for days with advanced scanning equipment.

Hangar18
03-25-2004, 09:19 AM
Cubune today reports on a "lakeview man" being murdered today unfortuneately. However, I noted how it was a "Lakeview" crime and not a "Wrigleyville" crime, considering
the address is just 3 blocks away from the Shrine. Funny how
they do that all the time isnt it?

blueeyes33
03-25-2004, 10:38 PM
yeah i saw that.he was stabbed to death.

Whitesox029
03-25-2004, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by SoxFan76
That's interesting, but try telling a Cub fan that. All you will get is the popular "SOX SUCK!", or "WRIGLEY IS BETTER!"
You also can't foget about my personal favorite one to hear: "Well..... we have better beer though"

blueeyes33
03-25-2004, 11:09 PM
were talkin neighborhoods not stadiums.

hey.everyone calls wrigley the urinal....dont forget how our old stadium that we love so much smelled! it was like stale peanuts pee beer.but we still loved the place!

does it feel like its takin for ever for this season to start for anyone else too?

TornLabrum
03-26-2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Cubune today reports on a "lakeview man" being murdered today unfortuneately. However, I noted how it was a "Lakeview" crime and not a "Wrigleyville" crime, considering
the address is just 3 blocks away from the Shrine. Funny how
they do that all the time isnt it?

Same thing on the Channel 7 news last night at 5:00. Didn't hear the audio because we were having dinner at Schaller's at the time, but the video said "Lakeview."

maurice
03-26-2004, 01:23 PM
I always thought the old park smelled like cigars.

blueeyes33
03-26-2004, 08:27 PM
i was a little kid at the time.maybe cause i was lower to the ground than you i smelled all the nastey stuff.haha

basilesox
03-28-2004, 03:10 AM
That is pretty interesting.....Though I would have to think that there is alot more crime taking place around Comiskey than that in a two week period, It probably just isnt reported.

hsnterprize
03-28-2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by blueeyes33
were talkin neighborhoods not stadiums.

hey.everyone calls wrigley the urinal....dont forget how our old stadium that we love so much smelled! it was like stale peanuts pee beer.but we still loved the place!

does it feel like its takin for ever for this season to start for anyone else too? Yes...the old Comiskey Park smelled. However, it wasn't being promoted as a "shrine" as Wrigley Field is. It would've been promoted as a "smelly old ballpark" if it were still up today, I'll bet.

The Critic
03-28-2004, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I do remember that they only found a tooth. now in my opinion,
where theres smoke theres fire. However, I remember how they kept mentioning in news reports "in the shadow of US Cellular Field". That map is excellent because they DONT POINT OUT WHERE WRIGLEY IS. Isnt that a load of BS???

The one nod I WILL give toward the "media bias" some of us claim is that when a story is printed about bars, restaurants, etc., they call the neighborhood Wrigleyville, but when a guy gets stabbed to death in his own home they call it the Lakeview neighborhood. I realize that it's probably because the police reports call it Lakeview, but it's an interesting point nonetheless...

blueeyes33
03-29-2004, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by basilesox
That is pretty interesting.....Though I would have to think that there is alot more crime taking place around Comiskey than that in a two week period, It probably just isnt reported.

isnt being reported? i told you what webpage to get the stats from. its issued by the chicago police dept.

no bias.

dont try to make it into some conspiricy issue.im just posting facts.

just take a drive thru both neighborhoods any night of the week and you will see for yourself.

maurice
03-29-2004, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by basilesox
I would have to think that there is alot more crime taking place around Comiskey than that in a two week period, It probably just isnt reported.

***?!?

Yeah, there's a vast conspiracy to skew the crime stats. Facts be damned!

santo=dorf
03-29-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Same thing on the Channel 7 news last night at 5:00. Didn't hear the audio because we were having dinner at Schaller's at the time, but the video said "Lakeview."

Did you enjoy your meal?

TornLabrum
03-29-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by santo=dorf
Did you enjoy your meal?

You bet I did. Corned beef and cabbage, a favorite since my mom used to fix it when I was a little shaver.