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SosaSucks23
03-19-2004, 05:18 PM
Worst Sox player of all time has got to be.......

SAMMY SOSA! :thankgod

santo=dorf
03-19-2004, 05:26 PM
Depends on how long they played for the team. How about Jose Paniaqua and his amazing ERA of 108.00?

RKMeibalane
03-19-2004, 05:30 PM
:hitless

jackbrohamer
03-19-2004, 06:06 PM
Tough call for a 104-year-old franchise. But who could be worse than Jamie Navarro? Jerry Janeski mebbe...

MetalliSox
03-19-2004, 06:11 PM
Cory Snyder

WLL1855
03-19-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by jackbrohamer
Tough call for a 104-year-old franchise. But who could be worse than Jamie Navarro? Jerry Janeski mebbe...

Navarro easily has my vote. This guy was a boat anchor tied around the neck of the team for way too long. It seemed like he was the starting pitcher every time I went to a game when he was with the team. And we ended up losing 14-4 in a three and a half hour game. And he b****ed about not getting enough support from the offense.

Good riddance! We can thank him for reinforcing Reinsdorf's fear of signing pitchers for more than a few years for any kind of decent salary.

Edit: Sorry. My potty mouth got the best of me here. Fixed it.

RichFitztightly
03-19-2004, 06:32 PM
Jaime Navarro with an honorable mention to Rolls-Royce Clayton. In my mind Sosa didn't become quite as irritating until he became a Cub and started taking Steroids and became the "Saviour" of baseball.

voodoochile
03-19-2004, 06:40 PM
:valet
"Remember me? I could mess up a game as well as anyone. I mean, I'd throw a pitch the guy would smack it for a double. So, I'd walk the next couple of guys to be safe, but then would have no where to put the next guy. So, then Nardi would come out and say something silly like, 'Ken, throw a ****ing strike.' I always thought that was funny, so I would smile and throw a pitch. Naturally the nice man in the batter circle would send it into the bleachers for a lucky fan to use as a souveneir. That always made me very happy, so I would grin broadly and laugh out loud. Later I got a job parking cars in the Sox lot. Unfortunately one day, I smiled at JR after dinging his fender. Now, I am just waiting for the phone to ring so I can start my next job as a portapotty attendant..."

HITMEN OF 77
03-19-2004, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by jackbrohamer
Tough call for a 104-year-old franchise. But who could be worse than Jamie Navarro? Jerry Janeski mebbe...

Janeski was one solid "star" on the worst Sox team of all time in 1970, his only year in Chicago. 10-17 and an era around 3.80. The worst Sox player has to be Royce or Jamie at least in recent times.

SD Scott 7
03-19-2004, 06:56 PM
Julio Ramierez

Kuzman
03-19-2004, 07:01 PM
just about every big free agent that we bring in ends up being a complete bust.. so im probably gonna say the worst player will be the big name we bring in this year.. wait who was the big name that sox signed this year?

jamteh
03-19-2004, 07:18 PM
Todd Richie has to be included in this list.

beckett21
03-19-2004, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by jamteh
Todd Richie has to be included in this list.

I was just thinking the same thing. For the brief time he was here he was putrid. Hard to argue with Navarro though.

jamteh
03-19-2004, 07:45 PM
No doubt. Navarro was a total bum, but Ritchie's fresher in my mind.

JoseCanseco6969
03-19-2004, 07:46 PM
I dont know how all of you felt about RP Alan Embree but i always thought he was absolutely horrible for us...he was always good for at least 2 runs out of the pen. One of the worst ever along with the obvious Navarro, Clayton, Ritchie..etc.

SaltyPretzel
03-19-2004, 08:58 PM
Jerry Don Gleaton

Railsplitter
03-19-2004, 08:59 PM
Zeke Bunora, firstbaseman in the 1930's, had a reputation for refusing to field grounders unless they were hit right at him.

Whitesox029
03-19-2004, 09:10 PM
If we're talking long term, the first name that jumps to mind is Ron Karkovice. He never hit more than .264, his average from 1986-1995 was .224, and in that time period his strikeouts to walk ratio was a stellar 3.15 K for every BB.

Whitesox029
03-19-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Railsplitter
Zeke Bunora, firstbaseman in the 1930's, had a reputation for refusing to field grounders unless they were hit right at him.
Keep in mind though that he drove in 137 runs in 1936 which if I'm not mistaken is/was the sox single season record. he also hit for a .307 career AVG in his 7 years in the majors. Even if he was a sucky fielder you gotta give him credit for his bat.

Malgar 12
03-19-2004, 09:30 PM
Its a photo finish, between
Willie "I can't hit it out of the infield" Harris
Jose "why beat the Twins by 8 runs" Paniagua
Jamie "the Bum" Navarro

Carlos Castillo
Armando Rios
Scott Ruffcorn
Mike Caruso
Wil Cordero
Gary Redus
are honorable mention!

oh yeah and dont forget...
just because he was so bad...
Terry "I never actually played for the Sox" Bevington

Corlose 15
03-19-2004, 09:57 PM
Ooh lets see here

Paniagua
Navarro
Clayton
Greg Norton(Doesn't really compare to the others but he was a sieve at third)
Danny Darwin

And last but not least was someone who was not neccesarily worst but he was my favorite not very talented sox player.

That would be Dan "THE MAN" Pasqua

Tragg
03-19-2004, 09:57 PM
Sid O'Brien
3b on the 1970 team that went 56-106

ScottyTheSoxFan
03-19-2004, 10:12 PM
CHRIS SNOPEK.

maybe its because he was trying to replace the injured Robin Ventura, but he was horrible. Norton was a fav of mine but he was a butcher over at 3rd.

Frank the Tank
03-19-2004, 10:20 PM
Without a doubt:

Ken Williams

TornLabrum
03-19-2004, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Tragg
Sid O'Brien
3b on the 1970 team that went 56-106

Rich Lindberg in "Who's On Third" pointed out Sydney Lloyd O'Brian's initials. They certainly are appropriate. My vote, though goes to pitcher Billy Wynne, who managed at a game I attended to get shelled by the Seattle freakin' Pilots.

uribe151
03-19-2004, 10:30 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/smile.gif

worst sox player of all time?...easy!
CLAUDEL WASHINGTON

whitesoxwilkes
03-19-2004, 10:34 PM
Bill Pulsipher?

CubKilla
03-19-2004, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Frank the Tank
Without a doubt:

Ken Williams

Killed us when he wore the uniform. Killing us while he works the office.

MikeW
03-19-2004, 10:55 PM
Ah Torn Labrum, you beat me to the punch on Sydney O'Brien, gosh he was awful. Couldn't hit, couldn't field and was fat. P-Jose Segura was terrible, but for some reason he kept getting second and third chances. I personally saw Johnnie Jeter drop two fly balls against the Yankees in the same inning. Chuck Brinkman certainly proved that the athletic blood lines were thin in his family and Lee 'Bee Bee' Richard who for some reason Chuck Tanner believed was going to be a great shortstop.

kittle545feet
03-19-2004, 11:06 PM
alan bannister, mark salas, jerry dybzinski. jaime navarro, and i also hated steve lyons. lyons never did a damn thing with the sox except drop his drawers, which i will go to my grave saying he knew exactly what he was doing. oh and marc hillshould at least get a nod for being the slowest white sox ever. :(:

munchman33
03-20-2004, 12:04 AM
Scott Ruffcorn

Kuzman
03-20-2004, 02:28 AM
in all reality i would have to say Todd Ritchie.. didnt he have 20 losses for us or did we bench him before he could get too embarrassed

santo=dorf
03-20-2004, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by Kuzman
in all reality i would have to say Todd Ritchie.. didnt he have 20 losses for us or did we bench him before he could get too embarrassed

He had 15 in early August, then we threw him in the pen. God damn was that a horrible trade.

Jerko
03-20-2004, 03:23 AM
Kevin Bell
Darryl Boston
Julio Ramirez

DSpivack
03-20-2004, 04:06 AM
Why stop at one player? Why not make a team of all-"stars"?

Just to "start" we could have Darwin, Ritchie, Navarro.

Also, nobody mentioned David Wells. Is he game?

owensmouth
03-20-2004, 05:55 AM
I find this amazing. Rufcorn, Ritchie, Clayton, Navarro all have their demerits.

I gotta give Rufcorn the benefit of the doubt tho, he just couldn't produce in a major league environment. You'll find that tag applies to the vast makority of everyone's minor league system.

Ritchie will forever be associated with Ken the wonder GM.

Clayton and Navarro not only underproduced, they also undermined the team. Add David Wells to this list.

I'm amazed that no one has included our pearless closer from last year the vaunted Mr Koch. He had a fine spring training last year, but as soon as the season rolled around, he stunk. A true arsonist when we needed a fireman. Is he about to stage a rerun?

oldcomiskey
03-20-2004, 09:32 AM
Luis Alverado who was scared of grounders and we traded Apericio to get

also about Kark----he was a fine defensive catcher and a clutch hitter--I would think Joel Skinner would be the catcher--if only he was supposed to replace Fisk--seems the Sox are still trying to replace him

A. Cavatica
03-20-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by owensmouth
I'm amazed that no one has included our pearless closer from last year the vaunted Mr Koch.

Have we already forgotten Rick White?

1951Campbell
03-20-2004, 11:04 AM
Pay/performance disconnect: Navarro.

cubhater
03-20-2004, 12:28 PM
So many to choose from, so little time!

Claudell Washington
Darryl Boston
Jaime Navarro
Todd Ritchie
Royce Clayton
Rick White
David Wells

uribe151
03-20-2004, 04:27 PM
wow! i figured when i mentioned Claudel Washington, it would completely end the
discussion!!!

kittle42
03-20-2004, 05:02 PM
Scott Ruffcorn.

Alan Embree.

South Sider
03-21-2004, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Have we already forgotten Rick White?

Damned....I tried to.....but you've reminded me....thanx....lol !!!!

SP Navarro
RP R.White
INF M Caruso
OF A.Rios

Hangar18
03-21-2004, 01:27 PM
Chris Sabo
Aurelio Rodriguez
Steve Sax
Chris Snopek
Rusty Kuntz
Adam Peterson
cant remember, but the guy that played first Before Frank
got here....something Martinez I believe.
Funny thing about Sabo and Snopek, they were here simply because we WOULDNT pay for someone better
And how about that revolving door or Right Fielders we had
for a while, the SOX simply wouldnt pay for another RF/DH
and it cost us the 1993 playoffs. Luckily, the SOX finally realized would be better to PAY $$$ and address a weakness
in the lineup and in 1994, the SOX were kicking a** and we
were good top to bottom. Of course, the Strike happened....

StockdaleForVeep
03-21-2004, 01:38 PM
Mike caruso for bein a member of that white flag trade and supposed to be our future SS

Jesus Pena for just bein horrid

Hangar18
03-21-2004, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Mike caruso for bein a member of that white flag trade and supposed to be our future SS


Mike Caruso did drop off the planet didnt he? But one thing
about MrCaruso.....he makes my all time team for Hitting that HR to SWEEP THE MEDIA FAVORED FLUBBIES. He'll always have a special place in my heart for that :smile:

poorme
03-21-2004, 02:16 PM
Did anyone mention Russ Mormon? How about the other Mike Stanton?

PaleHoseGeorge
03-21-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Mike Caruso did drop off the planet didnt he? But one thing
about Mr. Caruso.....he makes my all time team for Hitting that HR to SWEEP THE MEDIA FAVORED FLUBBIES. He'll always have a special place in my heart for that :smile:

Good point. Slappy was a truly terrible ballplayer, but the simple fact he won a game for us over the Lovable Losers to complete "The Glorious Sweep of 1999" (http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/GloriousSweep.htm) makes him ineligible for the infamy of "Worst Sox Ballplayer of All-Time."

And now that you've raised this issue, I've finally decided Jaime Navarro is my selection for all-time worst. For those of you who may remember, it was Navarro who lost to the Cubs in 1997 and prevented our Sox from sweeping the season series 3-0. Besides all his other gaffes on the field and in the clubhouse, I now have one more reason to hand him this shameful title.

Spoken after losing a game 9-8...

:jaime
"Hey, I can only pitch. I can't hit for the guys, and 1-2 runs isn't going to do it."

MarqSox
03-21-2004, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Mike Caruso did drop off the planet didnt he? But one thing
about MrCaruso.....he makes my all time team for Hitting that HR to SWEEP THE MEDIA FAVORED FLUBBIES. He'll always have a special place in my heart for that :smile:
As far as I can tell, Caruso's out of baseball now. He's nowhere to be found on a search of major league rosters or minor league teams.

He gets my vote. He was a real ******* too, he thought he was King ****.

hillbilly
03-21-2004, 02:36 PM
"The Deacon" Warren Newsome gets my vote for look alike to Howard Stern's TV show mainstay, Beetlejuice.

A. Cavatica
03-21-2004, 03:26 PM
"The Deacon" was a pretty good ballplayer. Leave him out of this, please.

cubhater
03-21-2004, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18

cant remember, but the guy that played first Before Frank
got here....something Martinez I believe.


Wasn't his first name Carlos?

StockdaleForVeep
03-21-2004, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Mike Caruso did drop off the planet didnt he? But one thing
about MrCaruso.....he makes my all time team for Hitting that HR to SWEEP THE MEDIA FAVORED FLUBBIES. He'll always have a special place in my heart for that :smile:


In 2002 he was on the royals, played 12 games, amounted an ear shattering .100 bat avg

SoxFan78
03-22-2004, 11:01 AM
Jamie Navarro and Todd Ritchie

Over paid for Navarro big time, big bust, but at least we got Cal Eldred and Jose Valentine for him one year later

Todd Ritchie, WORST PITCHER EVER. I swear everytime I went to Comiskey Ritche was pitching and the Sox would lose!

poorme
03-22-2004, 11:08 AM
I don't know if he was the worst, but Navarro did the most damage.

soxtalker
03-22-2004, 11:20 AM
My reaction is that this thread points out the sad loss of historical knowledge. Not that I could do any better, but almost all of the suggestions have been from the 70's on. We've had relatively good teams most of the time since the 60's (actually '59). I would imagine that we'd find plenty of candidates in the 20's, 30's, and 40's who would make the suggestions put forward from the more recent decades look like stars.

jackbrohamer
03-22-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by soxtalker
My reaction is that this thread points out the sad loss of historical knowledge. Not that I could do any better, but almost all of the suggestions have been from the 70's on. We've had relatively good teams most of the time since the 60's (actually '59). I would imagine that we'd find plenty of candidates in the 20's, 30's, and 40's who would make the suggestions put forward from the more recent decades look like stars.

You're right, I think it's because we only read about players from the past that were notable for a positive reason (like they were good), there's not a lot of reference materials that write about players from back in the day that sucked.

white sox bill
03-22-2004, 12:00 PM
In early 70's Sox carried Hank Allen, Dick's brother on roster so he could be eligible for retirement or pension or something. Nothing like his brother....

Baby Fisk
03-22-2004, 12:06 PM
Santo! Santo! SANTO!

Brian26
03-22-2004, 12:15 PM
I don't know how you can have this discussion without mentioning Juan Agosto's name.

davenicholson
03-22-2004, 12:25 PM
I can't believe that my namesake hasn't at least received a mention!
Year Team Avg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS
1963 CWS .229 126 449 53 103 11 4 22 70 63 175 .319 .419 .738
1964 CWS .204 97 294 40 60 6 1 13 39 52 126 .329 .364 .693
1965 CWS .153 54 85 11 13 2 1 2 12 9 40 .234 .271 .505
Note the strikouts in 1963. Oh, and career AB/K: a stellar 2.5!!! :D:

jabrch
03-22-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by white sox bill
In early 70's Sox carried Hank Allen, Dick's brother on roster so he could be eligible for retirement or pension or something. Nothing like his brother....

Minnie Minoso in 1976 and 1980

uribe151
03-22-2004, 12:54 PM
yeah but dave nicholson hit one over the ROOF!

davenicholson
03-22-2004, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by uribe151
yeah but dave nicholson hit one over the ROOF!
Very true, Uribe! I remember that game clearly, and that shot alone is why Nicholson became one of my favorite players for awhile. To a youngster like me, that was the equivalent of lifting up a house!!!

skottyj242
03-22-2004, 01:16 PM
What about Jose Canseco?
Or Harold the sixth and seventh time around?
Lyle Mouton
David Wells
"Slappy" Caruso
John "one nut" Kruk
Armando Rios
Albert "55 mil" Belle
Didn't Chris Sabo end his career with us?
Rick White
Antonio Osuna (nice mullet by the way)
John Cangelosi

skottyj242
03-22-2004, 01:23 PM
I'm sorry, I forgot Rob Dibble

StockdaleForVeep
03-22-2004, 02:04 PM
I wouldnt put Canseco on this list, for the time he was on he had one of his now typical seasons. He still had more homeruns in 70 games than all but sosa had on the cubs that year, hes also was 36 at the time. Thats like sayin bobby orr was the worst blackhawk cuz he barely played any games cuz he was at the end of his career.

id also like to understand your reasoning for albert belle, esp when he hit out 49 homers the last season with us

Foulke You
03-22-2004, 02:09 PM
Some good names mentioned so far...Clayton, Navarro, and Sabo are at the top of my list.

One that I don't think has been mentioned is the immortal Mike Bertotti. He was brutal on the mound.

Tony Castillo also comes to mind when speaking of "Sox Suckage". He was bad in the bullpen and bad as a starter, yet Bevington's confidence in him never wavered. Ahhh, the memories.

Irishsox1
03-22-2004, 02:15 PM
Steve Kemp, Melido Perez, Jamie Navarro, Bryan Ward & Mike Caruso.

All of these guys either sucked or sucked and were head cases.

Bobby Thigpen
03-22-2004, 02:44 PM
Has anyone mentioned Steve Sax? He was terrible.

I also have always personally hated Scotty Fletcher. Can't stand the guy, don't really know why.

soxrme
03-22-2004, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by uribe151
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/smile.gif

worst sox player of all time?...easy!
CLAUDEL WASHINGTON

He was so bad!! But he inspired the greatest outfield sign of all time"Washington slept here". It was so funny.

But don't forget Bee Bee Richards and Harry Chappas.

Brian26
03-22-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Irishsox1
Steve Kemp, Melido Perez, Jamie Navarro, Bryan Ward & Mike Caruso.

All of these guys either sucked or sucked and were head cases.

Melido was a fun guy to watch and had some decent seasons. Even had a rain-delayed no-hitter.

Brian26
03-22-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Bobby Thigpen
Has anyone mentioned Steve Sax? He was terrible.

I also have always personally hated Scotty Fletcher. Can't stand the guy, don't really know why.

Fletcher hustled his behind off. I'd never say he sucked.

white sox bill
03-22-2004, 03:28 PM
Didn't think that Steve Kemp (as in Hemp) was that bad..

KingXerxes
03-22-2004, 03:41 PM
Jaime Navarro (it's all been said)

Ed Herrmann (whenever you needed a hit.........."K")

Bee Bee Richard (no hit, no mitt)

Duane Josephson (one of the worst hitters I've ever seen)

Claudell Washington (although IIRC his #'s aren't that bad - I just couldn't stand him)

Scott Ruffcorn (I've never seen a better example of how a team can over-rate their own prospect to the point where they wouldn't have traded him for A Rod....................oops.)

Cory Snyder (couldn't stand him)

Don Kessinger (washed up)

oldcomiskey
03-22-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
[And how about that revolving door or Right Fielders we had
for a while, the SOX simply wouldnt pay for another RF/DH
and it cost us the 1993 playoffs. Luckily, the SOX finally realized would be better to PAY $$$ and address a weakness
in the lineup and in 1994, the SOX were kicking a** and we
were good top to bottom. Of course, the Strike happened.... [/B]

I dont belive that- cost us the playoffs in 93---Ellis Burks had a good year for us

mike squires
03-22-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by white sox bill
Didn't think that Steve Kemp (as in Hemp) was that bad..

Damn Brian~You stole my thunder on two posts~I too was going to mention Juan Agusto and Fletcher was a tough ball player. Hardnosed like Pete Rose. He had a passion for the game, spunky, good with the glove and could get some clutch hits. I saw him over the summer and he still looked good. I liked him...

SosaSucks23
03-22-2004, 04:54 PM
sammy is a sox at heart but he still stucks!

Chisox353014
03-22-2004, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Whitesox029
If we're talking long term, the first name that jumps to mind is Ron Karkovice. He never hit more than .264, his average from 1986-1995 was .224, and in that time period his strikeouts to walk ratio was a stellar 3.15 K for every BB.

Didn't Karkovice also go 0-for the '93 playoffs? He was an automatic out in that series.

It's hard to narrow this list down to one, but my top 3 would have to be Royce Clayton, Cory Snyder and Jaime Navarro. Those 3 made me angrier than any others, at least.

jackbrohamer
03-22-2004, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Chisox353014
Didn't Karkovice also go 0-for the '93 playoffs? He was an automatic out in that series.


Yup, 6 games, 15 AB, 0 hits, 1BB, 7Ks. OPS of .062 for the SabrMaticians.

RichFitztightly
03-22-2004, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18

cant remember, but the guy that played first Before Frank
got here....something Martinez I believe.


I think you're thinking of Dave Martinez. I unconsciously modelled my batting stance after him when I was in high school. It kept my hands up high and in a good hitting position. I give Dave Martinez credit (along with Rafael Palmero, I think) for sleeping with Ryne Sandburg's wife and causing him to retire.

PaleHoseGeorge
03-22-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by RichFitztightly
I think you're thinking of Dave Martinez. I unconsciously modelled my batting stance after him when I was in high school. It kept my hands up high and in a good hitting position. I give Dave Martinez credit (along with Rafael Palmero, I think) for sleeping with Ryne Sandburg's wife and causing him to retire.

No, it was Carlos Martinez. He became expendable when Frank Thomas was promoted from Birmingham in 1990.

Dave Martinez played for the Sox in the mid-90's. I'm pretty sure he bedded Cindy Sandberg, not that that was so difficult.

:smile:

Stoky44
03-22-2004, 09:32 PM
How in the world can this man be left off the list, he was almost a sure out, probably because he was high.


DAN PASQUA

Year G AB BA

1992 93 265 .211
1993 78 176 .205
1994 11 23 .217

Brian26
03-22-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Stoky44
How in the world can this man be left off the list, he was almost a sure out, probably because he was high.


DAN PASQUA

Year G AB BA

1992 93 265 .211
1993 78 176 .205
1994 11 23 .217

Yeah, but in '88-'90, Pasqua was one of the only home run threats on this team, and he actually put up some decent numbers.

Stoky44
03-22-2004, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Yeah, but in '88-'90, Pasqua was one of the only home run threats on this team, and he actually put up some decent numbers.

YR HR
88 20
89 11
90 13

I will give you the 20 hrs in 88, but he really sucked his last 5 years on the team.

A. Cavatica
03-22-2004, 10:06 PM
Anybody who played as much as Pasqua can't be the worst Sox player of all time. I agree Pasqua sucked, but the Sox have had lots and lots of players who sucked just as badly.

Maybe we should have different divisions for different amounts of service time...?

signal00
03-26-2004, 02:09 PM
Maybe not the wosrt of all time but Rick White stunk up the field every time he came out of the BP. When he got in the game, the other team could "put that on the board!"

voodoochile
03-26-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by signal00
Maybe not the wosrt of all time but Rick White stunk up the field every time he came out of the BP. When he got in the game, the other team could "put that on the board!"

Hey, welcome aboard! :D:

ivancalderon
03-26-2004, 02:37 PM
On last year's team alone, we had D'Angelo Jiminez, Armando Rios, Rick White, and Jose Paniaga. Those guys could all start on the All Time Dog-Ass Team. Maybe it's because the memories are so recent, but I would say that any of these 4 could be the worst of all time. :fsock

tebman
03-26-2004, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by davenicholson
Very true, Uribe! I remember that game clearly, and that shot alone is why Nicholson became one of my favorite players for awhile. To a youngster like me, that was the equivalent of lifting up a house!!!

I came into this thread late, but when I saw the title, Nicholson
was the first one I thought of. I knew him as Swish when I was
a kid because of his remarkable strikeout consistency.

I was a sucker for the rooftop homers, though. I had a flannel
Sox jersey at that time on which I wrote Nicholson's name on
the back with a Magic Marker. By the following season I had
soured on him (like everybody else) because he was virtually
a guaranteed K when he came to bat.

- tebman

Dick Allen
03-26-2004, 04:39 PM
Anybody on the 1970 team except Aparicio and Melton.

bigbohock
03-26-2004, 09:25 PM
The worst Sox player of all-time is Joey Cora. He couldn't do a damn thing out there

ChiSoxFann
03-26-2004, 09:38 PM
worst all time humm
:hitless

there we go

MikeW
03-26-2004, 10:34 PM
Dick Allen,
I agree about the 1970 disaster, but how about Berry,Wood,May
and Horlen?

WSPav
03-27-2004, 12:11 AM
Does anybody remember Shawn Abner? What were Danny Tartabull's stats when he was a member of the SOX? Jaime Navarro is definately on the top of my list.

StillMissOzzie
03-27-2004, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge


Dave Martinez played for the Sox in the mid-90's. I'm pretty sure he bedded Cindy Sandberg, not that that was so difficult.

:smile:

Mac, Jurko, & Harry on ESPN 1000 (Chicago radio, for you out-of-towners) have implied (or I inferred) that Rafe Palmeiro was traded due to a Ryno either-he-goes-or-I-go ultimatum a/c HE was bonking Cindy (too?) Sounds like Mrs. S got around...

SMO
:gulp:

voodoochile
03-27-2004, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by StillMissOzzie
Mac, Jurko, & Harry on ESPN 1000 (Chicago radio, for you out-of-towners) have implied (or I inferred) that Rafe Palmeiro was traded due to a Ryno either-he-goes-or-I-go ultimatum a/c HE was bonking Cindy (too?) Sounds like Mrs. S got around...

SMO
:gulp:

Yeah, Cindi banged a couple of guys in that clubhouse supposedly. Rafael really isn't that bad. He's a star, a stud and he's handsome enough to do TV commercials.

But Dave Mar-freaking-tinez? Ryno may not be everything the local media built him up to be, but he wasn't exactly chopped liver either. That had to hurt...

niucons
04-01-2004, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Yeah, Cindi banged a couple of guys in that clubhouse supposedly. Rafael really isn't that bad. He's a star, a stud and he's handsome enough to do TV commercials.

But Dave Mar-freaking-tinez? Ryno may not be everything the local media built him up to be, but he wasn't exactly chopped liver either. That had to hurt...

Rafael, Mr. Viagra, a stud?

To be fair, I heard that as well, and wouldn't be surprised.

In recent memory, my vote has to go to Royce. With a Baseball Prospectus MLVR of -.186, he cost the team about 10 wins in 2002.

OurBitchinMinny
04-01-2004, 08:29 PM
My top 5

Navarro
Ritchie
Josh Paul
Paniagua
Shingo

hstang99
04-01-2004, 08:43 PM
Julio freakin Ramirez

jabrch
04-01-2004, 08:58 PM
:tomatoaward

CiscoCarlos
04-03-2004, 09:27 PM
100 posts yet nobody mentioned Pineapple John Mathias, the Hawaiian native who was our spring training phenom in 1970 (but couldn't hit a pineapple once the season started, let alone a baseball).

My vote for worst pitcher also comes from the 69-70 era: Gary Bell. Not only was he totally washed up when the Sox picked him up, but manager Gutteridge made a point of pitching him regularly. Plus he gets kudos for being ridiculed in Jim Bouton's Ball Four book.

But deep down I have to agree with the poster who said Hank Allen. He was sooooo bad. The equivalent of placing Sosa's trainer on the roster just to keep Sammy happy. Allen even beat out Woodie Held as our worst pinch hitter.

HomeFish
04-03-2004, 09:51 PM
Jose Paniagua. 100+ years of badness was "flipped" from the record books when he stepped on the mound.

MikeW
04-03-2004, 10:55 PM
CiscoCarlos: You are so right about 'Ding Dong' Bell. He was ok with the Indians in the early 60's, but by the time Ed Short dealt for him he was washed up. I would also add Tommie Sisk and
Gerry Arrigo to that list. It's amazing that we could have acquired so much bad pitching in such a short time, and to think we traded
Bob Locker to get Bell. Short surmised that we needed a starting pitching and it is hard to believe that Bell was the only one available.

Railsplitter
04-04-2004, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by Dick Allen
Anybody on the 1970 team except Aparicio and Melton.

Including Wilbur Wood?

TornLabrum
04-04-2004, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by Dick Allen
Anybody on the 1970 team except Aparicio and Melton.

Originally posted by Railsplitter
Including Wilbur Wood?

As president and sole member of the Gail Hopkins fan club, I take exception to these comments.

TDog
04-04-2004, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Dick Allen
Anybody on the 1970 team except Aparicio and Melton.

The 1970 White Sox had some good ballplayers. Despite having the worst defense in the league, they were strong up the middle, with golden glovers at SS (Aparicio) and CF (Berry), as well as a standout defensive second baseman in Bobby Knoop and an excellent defensive catcher in Ed Herrmann. Bill Melton was setting an all-time Sox home run record and would lead the league in homers the next season. Carlos May was coming back from his accident. Tommy John and Joe Horlen were on the pitching staff, along with Wilbur Wood, who was one of the league's top relivers, but they had the worst pitching staff in the league. They won fewer games than Bobby Thipen would later save in his record-setting season.

Players like Ossie Blanco and Johnny "Pineapple" Matias could be nominees for worst of all time, but they never really got the chance to develop as ballplayers. Syd O'Brien looked like he had some potential as a hitter, although he was something of a flake.

The worst Sox player I ever saw play was a veteran from the Washington Senators who came to the Sox in a trade in 1971. There are no excuses for Ed Stroud.

springrovesoxfan
04-04-2004, 03:14 PM
I have to give my vote to Steve Sax as worst of all time. Navarro comes in a close second. As bad as Clayton was with the bat, he at least could field the ball and Panagua was here long enough to earn that distinction.

TornLabrum
04-04-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by TDog
The worst Sox player I ever saw play was a veteran from the Washington Senators who came to the Sox in a trade in 1971. There are no excuses for Ed Stroud.

Yeah, but you've gotta love his nickname..."The Creeper."

TornLabrum
04-04-2004, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by springrovesoxfan
I have to give my vote to Steve Sax as worst of all time. Navarro comes in a close second. As bad as Clayton was with the bat, he at least could field the ball and Panagua was here long enough to earn that distinction.

Yeah, but was Sax worse than Cory Snyder?

Jesus Pena
04-04-2004, 08:52 PM
how about mario valdez

voodoochile
04-04-2004, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Jesus Pena
how about mario valdez

Hey, welcome aboard! :D:

springrovesoxfan
04-05-2004, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum

Yeah, but was Sax worse than Cory Snyder?

Yes! I believe he was the worst second baseman the Sox have had in my memory. He couldn't field, couldn't throw and his hitting was gone.

TornLabrum
04-05-2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by springrovesoxfan
Yes! I believe he was the worst second baseman the Sox have had in my memory. He couldn't field, couldn't throw and his hitting was gone.

But other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

soxphotos
04-05-2004, 09:43 PM
Some of my favorites for the sucky list include:

Ron Santo (why did the Sox trade for an ex-Cub troublemaker who couldn't hit his weight and was even worse in the field?)
Juan Agosto (gasoline on the fire)
Jesse Jefferson (I never remember 1 good performance from that guy)

Rich Hinton (see Juan Agosto)
Phil Bradley (waste, we needed a decent hitter in '90, why him?)
Jay Johnstone (even an average performance could have really helped the Sox in '72....instead fans were treated to a sub-.200 BA)

iwannago
04-09-2004, 08:38 PM
Oh we have had our share of bad ones. Lee Bee Bee Richards, Navarro, et al but I think one of the worst was Dave Nicholson.

Cubbiesuck13
04-11-2004, 10:00 PM
Llyal Mouton (spelling anyone). Or the 14 year old boy who was SS after Oz but at least the orginization was kind enough to put him on a huge picture on the ramps along with sox greats! No I am not talking about Oz, still the pre-pubic boy who played SS for a year and a half.

beckett21
04-11-2004, 10:30 PM
He hasn't been mentioned in this thread for awhile, but I have to give officer Karkovice a little love here. No way can anyone honestly say he was worse than some of the other illustrious catchers circa his time, such as "Marvelous" Marv Foley, Marc "Booter" Hill, or Joel Skinner. And who could forget the Chief Mark Salas?

Depends how you want to break things down in terms of service time, but the Sox have had some of the worst catchers known to mankind. Karkovice's biggest problem was that he took over for a legend, and it was a controvertial move to begin with. Karko looks like Johnny Bench compared to the other guys I just mentioned, and I am sure there are others I forgot. They are just so forgettable you want to burn them from memory.

Cubbiesuck13
04-11-2004, 10:47 PM
Dan Pasqua. don't get me wrong I dont think that he is the worst ever, but seems like the man was Mr. Average. If you took all the bench players' stats while he was playing, I bet his are all directly middle of the road. Anyone ever see the 'even steven' episode of sienfeld? this is he.

TornLabrum
04-11-2004, 10:49 PM
Harry Chappas was worse than any of these recent additions to the list (not that I'm changing my vote).

chisox56
04-12-2004, 12:17 AM
Rod Bolton