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lowesox
03-17-2004, 07:52 PM
Another bad outing today. What's going to happen with this guy?

Seems like the only offseason acquisition we made this year could have been a huge mistake.

jeremyb1
03-17-2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
Another bad outing today. What's going to happen with this guy?

Seems like the only offseason acquisition we made this year could have been a huge mistake.

I've maintained that even though I doubt he'll be very good, it should work as a good PR move. The problem is that might be cancelled out if he posts an ERA of 6. Also, the fact remains that for a little more money we could've signed the Japaneese pitcher the Padres did who should actually perform really well.

dpbyron
03-17-2004, 08:10 PM
Can't we give this guy some time to adjust? EVERYTHING is new to him! PLEASE, PLEASE have patience!

Does anyone remember how bad Shigetoshi Hasegawa was in his first few months with the Angels? He was awful! After an adjustment period of a couple months he has been a very solid reliever for seven years now. It takes some people longer to adjust than others.

RedPinStripes
03-17-2004, 08:15 PM
There's a reason why the Yankees didnt get him 5 years ago.

Dadawg_77
03-17-2004, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
I've maintained that even though I doubt he'll be very good, it should work as a good PR move. The problem is that might be cancelled out if he posts an ERA of 6. Also, the fact remains that for a little more money we could've signed the Japaneese pitcher the Padres did who should actually perform really well.

A litlle less, I think the Padres signed him for less.

SoxBoy14
03-17-2004, 08:49 PM
As long as he sticks to relief pitching and doesn't turn to gay pornography i'll give him time to adjust. But if he still sucks in July then i'll start hating him.

Lip Man 1
03-17-2004, 09:21 PM
It is an interesting question if he struggles.

Do the Sox send him to the minors? Would he go (after all he's 35?)

Would the Sox cut him and eat his salary? or would they use him strickly in a mop up role?

Time will tell. He needs to do well to help solidify the bullpen, the Sox sure hope so since they seem to be relying on hope instead of proven (read expensive) talent.

Lip

lowesox
03-17-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by dpbyron
Can't we give this guy some time to adjust? EVERYTHING is new to him! PLEASE, PLEASE have patience!

Does anyone remember how bad Shigetoshi Hasegawa was in his first few months with the Angels? He was awful! After an adjustment period of a couple months he has been a very solid reliever for seven years now. It takes some people longer to adjust than others.

Adjust? He's pitching late in spring training games - he's facing minor leaguers. Guys like Koch and Politte are facing the same guys (who they've never seen before) and getting outs.

SoxBoy14
03-17-2004, 09:28 PM
I say start the season with Koch as closer, then if he starts sucking give Politte and Takatsu a chance to show what they got.

CubKilla
03-17-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
What's going to happen with this guy?

Trade him to an AL Central team for some more offense considering it seems the White Sox are the only team that cannot hit him.

CubKilla
03-17-2004, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by SoxBoy14
I say start the season with Koch as closer, then if he starts sucking.....

*Edit* ..... Koch as closer, then WHEN he starts sucking.....

kermittheefrog
03-17-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
A litlle less, I think the Padres signed him for less.

True, we settled for a worse pitcher making more money. PECOTA projects an ERA of 10 for Takatsu. Clay Davenport is a little more optimisitic predicting an ERA around 6. Yeesh.

jeremyb1
03-17-2004, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by dpbyron
Can't we give this guy some time to adjust? EVERYTHING is new to him! PLEASE, PLEASE have patience!

Does anyone remember how bad Shigetoshi Hasegawa was in his first few months with the Angels? He was awful! After an adjustment period of a couple months he has been a very solid reliever for seven years now. It takes some people longer to adjust than others.

My analysis isn't based on his performance in the spring. Its based on his age (35), his poor K rate in Japan, and his decreasing numbers the last few seasons.

dpbyron
03-17-2004, 10:26 PM
"Adjust? He's pitching late in spring training games - he's facing minor leaguers. Guys like Koch and Politte are facing the same guys (who they've never seen before) and getting outs."

Well, how about adjusting to a new culture and a completely new way of life? Can you imagine what it would be like if you took a new job in Japan? Do you think you might have some trouble adjusting? EVERYTHING would be different.

Plus, I am sure he has to make the adjustment to the American game regardless if they are minor leaugers or not. He probably has to change his approach to hitters and what not.

Look, maybe the guy will suck, but to rip on him three weeks into spring training is ridicuolous. GIVE THE DUDE A CHANCE!

duke of dorwood
03-17-2004, 10:38 PM
Foulke threw harder, and it was said he didnt throw hard enuf. I can see him setting up, but not closing

MRKARNO
03-17-2004, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
Foulke threw harder, and it was said he didnt throw hard enuf. I can see him setting up, but not closing

I think Politte and Marte are both ahead of Takatsu for the closer's job as they both should be, but if Koch faulters, I'd rather see Politte be the closer and Marte be the stopper, which is an underrated role on a team.

CubKilla
03-18-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
Foulke threw harder, and it was said he didnt throw hard enuf. I can see him setting up, but not closing

Too bad we need a closer and not a set-up man :(: