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Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:04 PM
Sox Lineup:

SS Uribe
CF Reed
LF Lee
DH Ordonez
1B Konerko
3B Crede
RF Sweeny
C Alomar
2B Dransfelt

P: Loaiza

(Bartolo is starting for Anaheim)

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 03:06 PM
Where can this game be heard? It's not on ESPN 1000....

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:09 PM
Only on MLB.com

Uribe fouled out
Reed grounded out
Lee Kit hard double off wall

Maggs up, 2 outs, Lee on 2nd..

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:10 PM
Why aren't they playing Willie? It's quite obvious he can use it.

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
Why aren't they playing Willie? It's quite obvious he can use it.

Maybe Ozzie has begun to think that Dransfelt is the future up the middle!

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:13 PM
:?: on Harris. Unsure why not in lineup.

Maggs walked.

Carlos stole 3rd! Maggs still at 1st. GDIPaulie is up...

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
:?: on Harris. Unsure why not in lineup.

Maggs walked.

Carlos stole 3rd! Maggs still at 1st. GDIPaulie is up...

He stole 3rd w/ 2 outs? Hmm....

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:15 PM
Konerko popped out leaving 2 on....

Inning over.

jabrch
03-16-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
:?: on Harris. Unsure why not in lineup.

Maggs walked.

Carlos stole 3rd! Maggs still at 1st. GDIPaulie is up...

straight steal? or did he advance on something? why steal 3B with 2 down?

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:17 PM
I am beginning to think that we couldn't even trade Konerko for Melido Perez let alone Odalis. :D:

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:24 PM
Update? :smile:

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:26 PM
Man on 1st & 2nd, 2 outs.. Glaus is batting...

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:26 PM
Glaus singled. 1 run scored. Still 2 outs...

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 03:26 PM
Troy Glaus RBI single, 2 Out, runners at 1st and 2nd.

1-0 Halos.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 03:32 PM
Top of second.

Crede popped out.
Sweeney doubled

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:32 PM
I guess that cutter still isn't working for E-Lo.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 03:32 PM
Sweeney Doubles with one out.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 03:34 PM
Alomar strikes out.
Dransfeld pops out.


Still 1 - 0

Mickster
03-16-2004, 03:39 PM
Riggs singled up the middle.

With the hit and run on, John Paul singles up the middle.

Man on 1st and 3rd, 0 outs. E-LO sounds less than sharp.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 03:40 PM
Angels have runners on 1st and 3rd. None out. Two singles this inning (Adam Riggs and Josh Paul)

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 03:44 PM
3-0. Erstad RBI single...

E-Lo isn't doing too well right now.

doctor30th
03-16-2004, 03:44 PM
Can someone give breakdowns of each half inning,, for example

**This is an example**

Bottom of 2nd
Harris singles
Valentin Doubles, Harris scores
Thomas Strikes out
Ordonez pops out to 2nd
Lee Strikes out

White sox 1 angels 0

I'm at work so I cant listen to the game

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:50 PM
E-Lo is going to get an ear full today. I think this is the first big test for Ozzie this year. He called E-Lo out in the paper and said that this is a big game for him. He said he expects him to pitch better - like last year. Now let's see what he has to say now that he hasn't.

PS-Thanks for the updates, guys!

Baby Fisk
03-16-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
PS-Thanks for the updates, guys!

Ditto -- your updates are greatly appreciated! :)

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 03:54 PM
Well I cant listen on the radio but the scoreboard on mlb.com is telling me that the inning is over

ChiSox7
03-16-2004, 03:59 PM
Top 3

Uribe strikes out.
Reed pops out I believe.
Carlos base hit to right.
Maggs base hit to left.
PK base hit to left.
Crede pop out.

1 run on 3 hits.

3-1 ANA

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 03:59 PM
Top of third, Angels 3 - 0.


Uribe strikes out.
Jeremy Reed grounds out to Erstad.
Lee drops a single behind Erstad on 1st base line.
Magglio singles into left, Lee to second.
Konerko singles to left, Lee scores,
Crede pops out.

Angels 3 - 1

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:06 PM
Bottom of third


Salmon strikes out.
Glaus strikes out.
Adam Kennedy grounds out to 2d.


Still Angels 3 - 1

Mickster
03-16-2004, 04:06 PM
3 straight K's going back to the 2nd for E-LO. 2 outs in 3rd.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
3 straight K's going back to the 2nd for E-LO. 2 outs in 3rd.

Not bad. I think I may have jumped the gun on that alleged ear full I had for E-Lo.

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 04:16 PM
I care most about strikeouts. If he keeps those up, he'll be in great shape

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
Not bad. I think I may have jumped the gun on that alleged ear full I had for E-Lo.

No, you're not the only one. I was getting a bit worried there, too, but then he struck out three in a row. And, the announcer said "It seems that Esteban now has his cutter going."
That's one of the best comments I've heard all ST; he needs that pitch to be on if he's to be successful.

Colon is now out of the game, Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 Out.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Colon is now out of the game, Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 Out.

Must be feeding time! :D:


What inning?

jabrch
03-16-2004, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
Must be feeding time! :D:


What inning?

:XL
"Did someone say 'FEED'"?

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:20 PM
I thought Josh Paul was with the Cubs.....?

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
Must be feeding time! :D:


What inning?

Bottom of the fourth.

Reed walks, so the bases are loaded. Carlos Lee, who's 2-for-2 (single and a double) is at the plate.

Two outs.

chisox06
03-16-2004, 04:21 PM
bases loaded 2 out Lee up

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:23 PM
Bases clearing double by Carlos Lee, who's now 3 for 3 with 2 doubles

4-3 Sox!

chisox06
03-16-2004, 04:23 PM
Lee 3 run bases clearing double! 4-3 SOX

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:25 PM
Top of 4th

Ryan Sweeney grounds out.
Sandy Alomar singles.
Dransfelt walks, Sandy to second.
Bartolo relieved by Kevin Gregg (?)
Uribe flies to CF, Alomar to 3rd.
Dransfeldt to 2d on passed ball.
Reed walks, bases loaded.
Carlos Lee drives in three down 3d base line.

Sox lead 4 - 3.

Magglio bats with Lee on 3d.
Maggs strikes out.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:25 PM
Ordonez Strikes out to end the fourth.

Top 5. 4-3 SOX

Mickster
03-16-2004, 04:30 PM
Loaiza has retired 6 in a row, thus far. And, 4 of the 6 by K's!!!

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Loaiza has retired 6 in a row, thus far. And, 4 of the 6 by K's!!!

:eloaiza:

"Bring it on Ozzie!"

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:33 PM
Bottom of 4th

Loaiza still pitching.

Adam Riggs flies to Dransfeldt at 2d.
Josh Paul strikes out.
Alfredo Ameziga strikes out.

Sox still lead 4 - 3

Mickster
03-16-2004, 04:33 PM
Add another K this inning!!!

E-LO is raking. 7 straight outs, 5 of them K's!!!!

E-LO ES EN FUEGO! :D:

TheRockinMT
03-16-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
No, you're not the only one. I was getting a bit worried there, too, but then he struck out three in a row. And, the announcer said "It seems that Esteban now has his cutter going."
That's one of the best comments I've heard all ST; he needs that pitch to be on if he's to be successful.

Colon is now out of the game, Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 Out.

Good to hear those reports on E Lo. If that cutter all of sudden started biting for him it has to be the confidence booster he needs. E Lo is the man we need. It is good to have two big aces (E Lo and MB) going back to back when we see the season start.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:40 PM
Top of 5th

Konerko out.
Crede singles.
Sweeney strikes out.
Alomar pops out to short.

Sox still lead 4 - 3

Mickster
03-16-2004, 04:44 PM
E-LO K's the 1st batter (bottom 5th)

SSSSSMOKING!

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:48 PM
Bottom of 5th

Loaiza's still in.

Figgins strikes out.
Erstad gets an infield single.
Guerrero flies out to Sweeney. Erstad still on first.
Salmon grounds out to Uribe.

Sox still lead 4 - 3

TheRockinMT
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
E-LO K's the 1st batter (bottom 5th)

SSSSSMOKING!

Now that's what you want to see from E Lo. Great balls/guns afire!!!

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
Uribe doubles, Reed moves him to third, and Uribe scores on a wild pitch from Percival.

5-3 Sox!

jabrch
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
That's probably about it for Esteban? A good day's work - huh?

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
Top of 6th

Angel broadcasters are verrrrrrry impressed by Ryan Sweeney.

Dransfeldt batting against Percival.
Dransfeldt strikes out.
Uribe doubles over the head of Angel CF,
Reed flies out, Uribe to third.
Uribe scores onna passed ball.
Lee flies out.


Sox lead 5 - 3

jabrch
03-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Uribe doubles, Reed moves him to third, and Uribe scores on a wild pitch from Percival.

5-3 Sox!

OMG - a manufactured run? Wow! Fundamental baseball? WOW! This Guillen may not be half bad as a manager?

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
That's probably about it for Esteban? A good day's work - huh?

Yeah, the Sox have two up in the bullpen (I think both are righties, he didn't say their names.) Politte, maybe?

Fungo
03-16-2004, 04:58 PM
Jose Santiago in to relieve Loaiza

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 04:58 PM
Jose Santiago to start the 6th inning.

THE_HOOTER
03-16-2004, 05:02 PM
Wasnt he the victim of a Code Red in "A Few Good Men"????

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by owensmouth
Top of 6th

Angel broadcasters are verrrrrrry impressed by Ryan Sweeney.



What did they say, he's pretty young I know he pitches also...

Baby Fisk
03-16-2004, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
OMG - a manufactured run? Wow! Fundamental baseball? WOW! This Guillen may not be half bad as a manager?
LOL. When did the Sox become a National League team?

Fungo
03-16-2004, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by THE_HOOTER
Wasnt he the victim of a Code Red in "A Few Good Men"????

No, it was his brother William

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
What did they say, he's pretty young I know he pitches also...

They like his poise, or confidence, at the young age of 19. They say he's that he has performed very well so far in Spring Training, and they seem to be fond of his defense.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:08 PM
Amezega (sp?) with an RBI single. He moves to second.

5-4 Sox

anewman35
03-16-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Amezega (sp?) with an RBI single. He moves to second.

5-4 Sox

Ahh yes, the second string comes in and we start to lose. Happens every time...

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:09 PM
Figgins with a 2RBI double.

6-5 Halos.

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:11 PM
I just read this on the Yahoo Cubbies board and thought everyone here might enjoy it...

Sammy Sosa
by: princeton_parvenu 03/16/04 04:55 pm
Msg: 3375 of 3375

I'm not a Cubs fan, but I must say that I'm very pleased with Sammy Sosa. With the steroids problem swirling around baseball, it is nice to know that Sammy is clean -- he only uses steroids during batting practice.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Fungo
No, it was his brother William

I think we should give Jose one too!

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:11 PM
Bottom of sixth.

Sox 5 angels 3

Jose Santiago pitching.

Dransfeldt throws out first batter.
Kennedy flies out to LF (Anderson)
Riggs hits a triple to RF.
Mathis batting for Paul.
Mathis walks, runners at the corners.
Ameziga singles. Run scores. Runners at 2d and 3d on right fielder's throw.
Sox 5 Angels 4

Figgins doubles in two runs.

Angels 6 Sox 5

Quinlin batting for the Angels
Quinlin grounds out to Dransfeldt

Angels lead 6 - 5

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Ahh yes, the second string comes in and we start to lose. Happens every time...

I can appreciate that this is only ST, but with approx. 2 weeks left before opening day, isn't it time for us to keep position players in a little longer in games? Also put players into games that ACTUALLY have at least a shot at making the 25 man roster?

We have plenty of relievers, none of which seem to enter games on a regular basis (every 3 ST games, or so).

Fungo
03-16-2004, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
I think we should give Jose one too!
After that inning, I'd agree.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:15 PM
Well, it's good to see in this game, thus far:


-7 Ks for E-Lo, rebounds nicely after his first two innings allowing 3 runs.

-Carlos Lee with 3 hits, 2 doubles, and 3 RBIs.

-Mags and Konerko each with hits, PK with an RBI.

-Much praise for Sweeney who has a hit or two, and who's playing a solid RF.

-Good to see Uribe double, move to third on a flyout, and get to home on a wild pitch.

Just some of the good things I've heard thusfar.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Fungo
After that inning, I'd agree.

Ok, you get the duct tape! I'll watch the door!

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:17 PM
Top of 7th.

Maglio flies out to left
Konerko flies out to left.
Crede singles to left.
Sweeney flies out to left.

Angels 6 Sox 5

sas1974
03-16-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
I can appreciate that this is only ST, but with approx. 2 weeks left before opening day, isn't it time for us to keep position players in a little longer in games? Also put players into games that ACTUALLY have at least a shot at making the 25 man roster?

We have plenty of relievers, none of which seem to enter games on a regular basis (every 3 ST games, or so).

I know it. I would like to Politte, Koch and Shingo getting some consistent work in. And has anyone seen Kelly Wunsch?

sas1974
03-16-2004, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by owensmouth
Top of 7th.

Maglio flies out to left
Konerko flies out to left.
Crede singles to left.
Sweeney flies out to left.

Angels 6 Sox 5

At least they're consistent. :D:

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:20 PM
David Sanders to relieve Jose Santiago (buh-bye!) in the Top of the 7th.

Randar68
03-16-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
What did they say, he's pretty young I know he pitches also...

Last season's second round steal out of an Iowa HS. Tall athletic LH'd RF'er, only pitched in HS, will not pitch in the majors. Good eye, swing and approach pretty similar to Olerud, with much greater growth potential and power potential. Still learning to hit with wood bats, but Reed, Anderson and Sweeney have all been excellent so far this spring.

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by owensmouth
Top of 7th.

Maglio flies out to left
Konerko flies out to left.
Crede singles to left.
Sweeney flies out to left.

Angels 6 Sox 5

So much for Oposite field... Maybe everyone we play will just put all 3 OF's in Left this year?

sas1974
03-16-2004, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
David Sanders to relieve Jose Santiago (buh-bye!) in the Top of the 7th.

I hope they have the bus warmed up to take him back to where ever he's going.

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
I know it. I would like to Politte, Koch and Shingo getting some consistent work in. And has anyone seen Kelly Wunsch?

After 13 Games:

Wunch 2.0 IP
Marte 2.1 IP
Jackson 3.0 IP
Politte 3.0 IP
Shingo 4.0 IP


Seems kind of low to me at this point....

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:32 PM
Bottom of 7th

Sanders is now the Sox pitcher.
Bounds now playing first.

Infield single for Wesson of the Angels.
Devannen walks.
Runners at 1st and 2d
McPhearson singles, scoring one,
Runners at 1st and third, none out.
Spect grounds out, runners advance.

Angels 8 Sox 5

Runners at 1st and 2d.

Rivera, Sox catcher, throws ball into center. Nobody covers and Angels get another run.

9 - 5

Gordon strikes out.
Mathis flies out.

Yuckkkk

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by owensmouth
Rivera, Sox catcher, throws ball into center. Nobody covers and Angels get another run.


Has this guy hit the 2nd baseman yet?

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
Has this guy hit the 2nd baseman yet?

Neither the second baseman nor SS decided that they had to cover 2nd on a steal. Rivera launched it towards 2nd and it just kept going....

TaylorStSox
03-16-2004, 05:42 PM
A couple side notes about Sweeney. From what I've read, he was projected to be in the top 10 of last years draft. There were some concerns about his experience coming from Iowa. He slipped and several people thought he was the steal of the draft.

There were also concerns about him signing. He's tall and athletic with alot of poise. Though he's awfully skinny and needs to grow into his body. Ideally, he has big time power potential.

I believe he had 2 hits off of Zambrano and 1 off of Hawkins in the Cubs game.

This is all second hand info as I've only seen him this spring. Daver should be able to shed a little more light on this.

-edit- Randar beat me to it. Kudos. :)

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Neither the second baseman nor SS decided that they had to cover 2nd on a steal. Rivera launched it towards 2nd and it just kept going....

I hear that you don't have to do that in the minors, and they allow invisible men on base too... Where do we find these guys?

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
A couple side notes about Sweeney. From what I've read, he was projected to be in the top 10 of last years draft. There were some concerns about his experience coming from Iowa. He slipped and several people thought he was the steal of the draft.

There were also concerns about him signing. He's tall and athletic with alot of poise. Though he's awfully skinny and needs to grow into his body. Ideally, he has big time power potential.

I believe he had 2 hits off of Zambrano and 1 off of Hawkins in the Cubs game.

This is all second hand info as I've only seen him this spring. Daver should be able to shed a little more light on this.

Well, he's probably impressed me the most in spring training, probably right there with how Gload has performed.

I just think Sweeney needs to hit the weights a bit more.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:44 PM
Top of 8th.

Rivera, Sox catcher leads off with a single,
Dransfeldt fouls out.
Lopez (SS) singles
Reed flies out to left.
Wild pitchmoves runners to 2d and 3d.
Wild pitch scores one, runner to third,
Anderson doubles in Lopez.

Angels 9 Sox 7

Valenzuela fouls out

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
and they allow invisible men on base too...

That brings back memories...

calling out "Invisible man on 1st!" during a pickup game....

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Well, he's probably impressed me the most in spring training, probably right there with how Gload has performed.

I just think Sweeney needs to hit the weights a bit more.

He has a real bright future ahead of him. What's the earliest we can reasonably expect him or Anderson at the major league level?

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
I just think Sweeney needs to hit the weights a bit more.

Mabye we should get him an "assistant" like SHAM-ME! :D:

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Mabye we should get him an "assistant" like SHAM-ME! :D:

Now when you say "assistant" do you mean it as a person or as a chemical?

jabrch
03-16-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
He has a real bright future ahead of him. What's the earliest we can reasonably expect him or Anderson at the major league level?

My guess is 2006.

Mickster
03-16-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
Now when you say "assistant" do you mean it as a person or as a chemical?

Both. :D:

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:53 PM
Bottom of 8th

Adkins pitching to Ameziga

Ameziga grounds out to short
Figgins walks
Figgins picked off 1st base.
Quinlin doubles to left
Wesson grounds out.

Still Angels 9 Sox 7

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
My guess is 2006.

That's most likely; Lee's contract will expire at that year, Reed will probably already be up here as well.

Randar68
03-16-2004, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
A couple side notes about Sweeney. From what I've read, he was projected to be in the top 10 of last years draft. There were some concerns about his experience coming from Iowa. He slipped and several people thought he was the steal of the draft.

There were also concerns about him signing. He's tall and athletic with alot of poise. Though he's awfully skinny and needs to grow into his body. Ideally, he has big time power potential.

I believe he had 2 hits off of Zambrano and 1 off of Hawkins in the Cubs game.

This is all second hand info as I've only seen him this spring. Daver should be able to shed a little more light on this.

-edit- Randar beat me to it. Kudos. :)

Sweeney was a projected mid first-round pick. He had a bad showing in a pre-draft showcase (as did USC All-everything Sophomore Jeff Clement) and slipped due to that. Sweeney had a desire to go directly to the pros and that was known to all before the draft. Once he slipped out of the first round, there were concerns about signability, but the Sox did their homework and a real steal of the draft fell into their lap.

Sweeney is in great physical shape. He worked out for months IIRC something like 9 months?) prior to the draft with a personal trainer and is still in terrific physical shape. He does need to bulk up, but what 19-year-old doesn't? He also needs to learn how to loft the ball, I'm very impressed with his ability to hit to all fields.

Could be a RF'er or 1B down the line, but he's got a great arm and very good speed/athleticism for someone his size.

jabrch
03-16-2004, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
That's most likely; Lee's contract will expire at that year, Reed will probably already be up here as well.

Reed should be starting next season after a September callup this year. My guess would be in RF if we lose Magglio in the off season, or if not, in LF when we trade Carlos. Ideally not in CF - he isn't a CF as far as I understand.

owensmouth
03-16-2004, 05:59 PM
Top of 9th

Bobby Smith of the Sox pops out
Branden Bounds flies out to deeeep CF
Sweeney grounds out.

Game over

Angels win 9 - 7

Randar68
03-16-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
He has a real bright future ahead of him. What's the earliest we can reasonably expect him or Anderson at the major league level?

If he stays healthy, Anderson will probably come faster than Sweeney. Anderson is just so much more experienced and polished at this point, although for his age, Sweeney is in the top 1% in that department IMO.

I think Anderson is projected mid 2005 or 2006 (would push Reed to a corner spot) and Sweeney is probably 6-18 months behind that. Let's let him get a year in a full-season league before we start placing unrealistic expectations on him...

Randar68
03-16-2004, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
Reed should be starting next season after a September callup this year. My guess would be in RF if we lose Magglio in the off season, or if not, in LF when we trade Carlos. Ideally not in CF - he isn't a CF as far as I understand.

Then who is? Who is going to take over for Lance Johnson??? We're still trying to fill that hole. Reed is a better option than Rowand in CF and will likely only be keeping it warm for Anderson anyways.

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 06:04 PM
:tomatoaward

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Then who is? Who is going to take over for Lance Johnson??? We're still trying to fill that hole. Reed is a better option than Rowand in CF and will likely only be keeping it warm for Anderson anyways.

Are you indicating that you do not feel that Reed is the future of the organization? Why not?

Randar68
03-16-2004, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Are you indicating that you do not feel that Reed is the future of the organization? Why not?

No, I feel that Reed will move over to LF for Anderson in CF. Anderson is a better CF'er. Reed is more than adequate in CF for the time being, and he's better defensively than our current options.

Borchard is a RF'er if he can hit consistently. By 2006 you may see Sweeney, Borchard or Reed move to 1B to make room for them all if they all succeed or if a guy like Maggs or Lee are still around.

RedPinStripes
03-16-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
No, I feel that Reed will move over to LF for Anderson in CF. Anderson is a better CF'er. Reed is more than adequate in CF for the time being, and he's better defensively than our current options.

Borchard is a RF'er if he can hit consistently. By 2006 you may see Sweeney, Borchard or Reed move to 1B to make room for them all if they all succeed or if a guy like Maggs or Lee are still around.

I doubt both of those guys will ever play together at USCF. With the way Kenny likes to load up at the break, who knows how many prospects will get shipped out within the next 2-3 years.

Randar68
03-16-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes
I doubt both of those guys will ever play together at USCF. With the way Kenny likes to load up at the break, who knows how many prospects will get shipped out within the next 2-3 years.

How many real top prospects or high draft picks has he dealt? None, really except Wells who had already been in the majors a while...

Be fair, he's not been out there throwing away all his former top picks. Ring was drafted to be traded.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
How many real top prospects or high draft picks has he dealt? None, really except Wells who had already been in the majors a while...

Be fair, he's not been out there throwing away all his former top picks. Ring was drafted to be traded.

Ugh, don't remind me of the Royce Ring draft...



Blanton, Blanton, Blanton... :gulp:

Lip Man 1
03-16-2004, 07:51 PM
The Sox still have 18 games left this spring, remember the season basically starts a few days later because of the way the calander shapes up.

If the Sox still are looking this way around the middle of next week then eyebrows should start to be raised.

Lip

jabrch
03-16-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Then who is? Who is going to take over for Lance Johnson??? We're still trying to fill that hole. Reed is a better option than Rowand in CF and will likely only be keeping it warm for Anderson anyways.

Randar, I think we are looking at Rowand until Anderson arrives. I just don't see Reed a CF based on what little I have seen/read about him. (I may be way off - but that's my gut right now)

Daver
03-16-2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
Randar, I think we are looking at Rowand until Anderson arrives. I just don't see Reed a CF based on what little I have seen/read about him. (I may be way off - but that's my gut right now)

He can play CF,if he can cover it in Birmingham he can definitley do it in Comiskey.He is not going to remind anyone of Griffey Jr.,but he gets the job done,and is better than Rowand is right now.

ChiSox7
03-16-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
The Sox still have 18 games left this spring, remember the season basically starts a few days later because of the way the calander shapes up.

If the Sox still are looking this way around the middle of next week then eyebrows should start to be raised.

Lip

Looking what way? The starters have only left the game down in like one or two instances. The players that will be going to Chicago have all looked and played well. If not for garbage minor league position players and relievers, we might be undefeated.

I have a feeling Charlotte and Birmingham are going to struggle though, because our minor leaguers have been horrible for the most part.

Jurr
03-16-2004, 09:12 PM
I totally agree...most of the "losing" has been going on once the scrubs come into the game. I think our starting core will be decent this year.

Randar68
03-16-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Daver
He can play CF,if he can cover it in Birmingham he can definitley do it in Comiskey.He is not going to remind anyone of Griffey Jr.,but he gets the job done,and is better than Rowand is right now.

Amen, Rowand wasn't a capable LF'er the half dozen times I saw him play when he was in AA. Now he's so good a more physically and mentally talented player like Reed can't beat him out for the CF job.

Rowand's days are numbered in CF in Chicago... Praise the LORD!

Randar68
03-16-2004, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
Randar, I think we are looking at Rowand until Anderson arrives. I just don't see Reed a CF based on what little I have seen/read about him. (I may be way off - but that's my gut right now)

Long term??? Reed might be a LF'er, but if the only other options in CF are Aaron Rowand and Willie Harris, we're going to get Reed and isn't going to be long...

I wouldn't mind Rowand in LF if we didn't have Lee, but we do. Reed is better now in CF after only 2 years of playing OF full-time. Doesn't that tell the FOC something about Rowand's defensive abilities???? A 2B 3-months into learning CF and a converted 1B who hadn't played outfield until 2 years ago are better fundamentally sound defensive players in the OF than a guy who's spent the last 10 years there!!!!!!

How hard is this stuff to understand???? I know, I know, in the offseason, Rowand has transformed himself into the re-incarnation of Willie Mays in CF...

Blueprint1
03-17-2004, 02:30 AM
I like how a bunch of people on this Web site continue to BASH Aaron Rowand just waiting for him to mess up. The fact remains that he had a great second half coming off that injury last year. He has tore the cover off the ball in Spring training. Aaron has also stole some bases and done everything possible to make this team. He has looked Great so far. Right now i think we should all question why Willie Harris is our second baseman when Baltimore gave up on him.

Randar68
03-17-2004, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Blueprint1
I like how a bunch of people on this Web site continue to BASH Aaron Rowand just waiting for him to mess up. The fact remains that he had a great second half coming off that injury last year. He has tore the cover off the ball in Spring training. Aaron has also stole some bases and done everything possible to make this team. He has looked Great so far. Right now i think we should all question why Willie Harris is our second baseman when Baltimore gave up on him.

I'm not as worried about Rowand's hitting, but wouldn't you like a better defensive CF'er and someone who can get on base more consistently than a .330 OBP????

BTW, Mario Valenzuela hit something like .600 a couple ST's ago, so don't go getting all high and mighty because of ANYONE's performance in the first couple weeks of Spring Training. I hope he succeeds, but as long as we have Lee and Ordonez in the corners, we need a better defensive CF'er.

jabrch
03-17-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Long term??? Reed might be a LF'er, but if the only other options in CF are Aaron Rowand and Willie Harris, we're going to get Reed and isn't going to be long...

I wouldn't mind Rowand in LF if we didn't have Lee, but we do. Reed is better now in CF after only 2 years of playing OF full-time. Doesn't that tell the FOC something about Rowand's defensive abilities???? A 2B 3-months into learning CF and a converted 1B who hadn't played outfield until 2 years ago are better fundamentally sound defensive players in the OF than a guy who's spent the last 10 years there!!!!!!

How hard is this stuff to understand???? I know, I know, in the offseason, Rowand has transformed himself into the re-incarnation of Willie Mays in CF...

I am no FOC - trust me. I have seen the same things you have seen from him. And I agree - I am happy he looks good so far in ST, but I don't buy it that he is the next great CF. However, I was under the impression that Reed was somewhat of a stretch to put in CF, and that he'd be better in a corner. With a young guy who we hope to be a cornerstone of the franchise, I'd hate to put him in a defensive position that is not optimal for him during his first few years.

just my guy - Daver and you seem to think different. I hope you guys are right!

Lip Man 1
03-17-2004, 12:32 PM
My statement was made in response to a comment earlier in the thread about how the Sox have been looking awful and why hasn't Ozzie been playing the regulars more.

The answer is because the scrubs have been awful (particularly that shortstop Lopez) and it's still to early to begin playing the regulars seven, eight innings. The spring season is a little bit longer this year because of the way the calander fell.

If the Sox are still looking this bad next week, with the regulars basically playing the whole game, then concern needs to be shown.

Lip

Randar68
03-17-2004, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
just my guy - Daver and you seem to think different. I hope you guys are right!

If Aaron Rowand can play CF, anyone can. Rowand was borderline competent in LF when he was in AA.

Reed is a better athlete and has a much high baseball IQ. It's not a stretch and I don't think it's unfair to him or anyone else. He played well in CF in Birmingham, and like Daver said, that CF area At Hoover Met is the size of a football field by itself!

I'm not concerned about Reed in CF in the least, he's our best option in the forseeable future. CF isn't SS. Reed is mature and confident enough to not let any struggles in the field affect him elsewhere and I don't think you'll see many struggles... JMO.

Randar68
03-17-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
My statement was made in response to a comment earlier in the thread about how the Sox have been looking awful and why hasn't Ozzie been playing the regulars more.

The answer is because the scrubs have been awful (particularly that shortstop Lopez) and it's still to early to begin playing the regulars seven, eight innings. The spring season is a little bit longer this year because of the way the calander fell.

If the Sox are still looking this bad next week, with the regulars basically playing the whole game, then concern needs to be shown.

Lip

Pedro Lopez is a natural 2B, but don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good rant.

Agree about not making any judgements, good or bad, until the last 10 days of ST though...