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SoxBoy14
03-15-2004, 05:47 PM
I heard a lot about gains and losses for the Twins and Royals. And as far as i'm concerned Pudge isn't going to do sqwat for the Tigers. But how will the Indians do? I don't think they've made significant trades but will they be a problem this year?

ondafarm
03-15-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by SoxBoy14
I heard a lot about gains and losses for the Twins and Royals. And as far as i'm concerned Pudge isn't going to do sqwat for the Tigers. But how will the Indians do? I don't think they've made significant trades but will they be a problem this year?

I've seen the Indians farm teams for a few years. My opinion is this: they have some good young players coming up. They'll win some games. Could they cause a problem for the Sox? Possibly. They won't roll over and die, but they don't have the horses to sweep the Sox. If the Sox play well and Ozzie can have them up for playing the Indians then the Sox should easily win the season series, but lose a few games to them. Pesky but they aren't a major threat, yet.

SoxBoy14
03-15-2004, 06:00 PM
Then again last season the Tigers and Devil Rays weren't supposed to be threats, yet they swept us! I still think that if we one that series we would've been in the play-offs. I don't think Ozzie will let the sox get away with being swept by any stiff teams this year.

chisoxmike
03-15-2004, 06:13 PM
I've said it before... the Indians will be a pain in the ass all season. I highly doubt they will be contending, but will probably hover around .500 this season. I can see them being a major pain for the Sox.

:wh1tesox00

SoxBoy14
03-15-2004, 08:51 PM
You forget about them after awhile and then they beat us 5 out of 6 games to lower us in the standings.

soxnut
03-15-2004, 09:07 PM
It seems like every year, there is a team that kinda sneaks uyp on people and surprises everybody, I think Cleveland will be that team. They will be a pain, and people will talk about them during the season, but they won't have enough to win the division. They'll just spoil it for someone else.

RKMeibalane
03-15-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by soxnut
It seems like every year, there is a team that kinda sneaks uyp on people and surprises everybody, I think Cleveland will be that team. They will be a pain, and people will talk about them during the season, but they won't have enough to win the division. They'll just spoil it for someone else.

Just as long as they don't spoil the division for the Sox. Seriously though, the Sox need to take advantage of the games against lesser opponents. Those losses to Detroit and Tampa Bay drove me crazy last season, because if the Sox had managed to avoid being swept by both teams, they probably would have won the division. What was particularly frustrating about most of the games was that the Sox lost by a run or two each time. Those are the games they need to win this season, or else they can forget about reaching the post-season.

gosox41
03-16-2004, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by SoxBoy14
I heard a lot about gains and losses for the Twins and Royals. And as far as i'm concerned Pudge isn't going to do sqwat for the Tigers. But how will the Indians do? I don't think they've made significant trades but will they be a problem this year?

Cleveland could be like the Sox of 2000. If they start hot it will feed off itself. The difference is Cleveland built around young arms and not around power like the Sox.

It wouldn't surprise me to see any team except for maybe the Tigers win the AL Central. If some of the Sox question marks play close to their ability then it could be a fun pennant race, even if it doesn involve 4 mediocre teams.

Bob

Irishsox1
03-16-2004, 10:45 AM
The biggest news for the Indians in the offseason was that the rookie Japanese pitcher they signed was in a gay porno in Japan. He said he needed the money in college and the gay japan porno industry pays well. I wish I was making this up, but its true.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by Irishsox1
The biggest news for the Indians in the offseason was that the rookie Japanese pitcher they signed was in a gay porno in Japan. He said he needed the money in college and the gay japan porno industry pays well. I wish I was making this up, but its true.

I saw that story too. Yikes! That is going to be a tough one for him when they go on the road. I am proud to say that I don't think I will ever "need the money" that bad.

KingXerxes
03-16-2004, 11:54 AM
I think the Indians are going to be one of the surprise teams of 2004. Last year they played OK in the first half, and then tailed off at the end of the year. I really think they could be pretty good this year.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 11:58 AM
I seem to remeber that they have some young stud position players, but how's there pitching? I am guessing that is going to be the major factor in whether or not they will be able to hang - even in the Central.

Brian26
03-16-2004, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
Cleveland could be like the Sox of 2000. If they start hot it will feed off itself. The difference is Cleveland built around young arms and not around power like the Sox.

I think they might resemble the 1999 Sox a little bit more. Cleveland is going to be a good team very soon, but not this year. The great thing, for them, is they rebuilt and did it the right way- all at the same time. They didn't do a halfway rebuild that we've seen here before. They completely cleaned the slate.

rmusacch
03-16-2004, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by SoxBoy14
I heard a lot about gains and losses for the Twins and Royals. And as far as i'm concerned Pudge isn't going to do sqwat for the Tigers. But how will the Indians do? I don't think they've made significant trades but will they be a problem this year?

You are right that Pudge will not do squat for the Tigers this year as he has been retired for 11 years now and never played for the Tigers. If you think Ivan Rodriguez will not do squat, what are you basing this on? He has shown no signs of slowing down.

munchman33
03-16-2004, 12:19 PM
What worries me the most is that Cleveland is currently 9-4, tops in the American League for spring training. Sure, its just spring training, but Kansas City had that kind of spring last year, and road that momentum straight into the season.

-Munchie

sas1974
03-16-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
What worries me the most is that Cleveland is currently 9-4, tops in the American League for spring training. Sure, its just spring training, but Kansas City had that kind of spring last year, and road that momentum straight into the season.

-Munchie

That is a little bit scary. We let our starters get in a few innings and then rest them. Since they are all pretty young, they probably get them in and let them go at it. Although when it comes down to it, I think our experience should win out head-to-head.

Dub25
03-16-2004, 02:49 PM
I hate Cleveland but I predict they will be this year's fun loving story for the 1st half of the season.
By the way, what do you people think of Eric Wedge's(Cleveland Manager, Duh) philosophy of SB's is not important?

Foulke You
03-16-2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
What worries me the most is that Cleveland is currently 9-4, tops in the American League for spring training. Sure, its just spring training, but Kansas City had that kind of spring last year, and road that momentum straight into the season.

-Munchie

Keep in mind that the Milwaukee Brewers are tearing it up in the Spring right now too and I'll wager a bet that they will be at least 15 games out by the end of May. Sometimes teams ride the hot Spring Training momentum and sometimes it doesn't mean squat. I still think the Twins are the team to beat in this division.

jordan23ventura
03-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Without question the team to beat this year is the White Sox. The only way they will lose this division is if they beat themselves, like last year. There are too many people on this team that will bust their ass this year to prove their worth (Koch, Konerko, Magglio will try to top his "disappointing" season, Garland, Loaiza, Shingo, Harris, Uribe, etc.). The talent is definately here and as long as this team is motivated there is nobody in this division that can beat them. Just look at the destruction of the Twins in the playoffs last year. Not saying that the Sox would have beaten them, but they would have put up a tougher fight by far.

Cleveland is something to definately worry about - next year. The Royals are nothing too special when you look at the entire picture, they were just the epitamy of motivation and self-actualization last year. A motivated Chicago is far more powerful. Then there are the Twins, who have lost most of their firepower. Detroit sucks and will always suck.

This year will be another big "IF," in that IF the White Sox can utilize their strengths and play up to their full potential instead of succombing to their weaknesses and choking during the stretch, all they have to do is sign ONE starter and maybe a reliever or pinch hitter at the All Star break and you're looking at the division champs - by at least 7 or 8 games.

doublem23
03-16-2004, 05:27 PM
The Indians suck.

ma-gaga
03-17-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by jordan23ventura
Just look at the destruction of the Twins in the playoffs last year. Not saying that the Sox would have beaten them, but they would have put up a tougher fight by far.


You take those 4 alds games as the epitomy of the season??

I'll give you 3 more:
one (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=2338)
two (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=2339)
three (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=2340)

Last year this team had nothing to suggest that they were special. A couple of September games against the Yankees who had already clinched a playoff spot.

I'm sure that the Twins dropping that last series to Detroit was a true indication of their respective talent levels.

soxtalker
03-17-2004, 11:32 AM
I think that the Indians could be a big problem this year, and, what's worse, they will likely have several good years to come. While you can't be assured that prospects will deliver, you also can't be certain that they won't. There always seems to be a young team that achieves a year or two earlier than anticipated. The 2000 Sox were an example. Cleveland has been stockpiling players in their farm system for the past two or three years, while the Sox have been trading them away over the same time period in hopes of making it to the promised land. It was a rational approach and almost worked last year, but I fear that the Indians will make us pay either this year or next.

Mickster
03-17-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
I've said it before... the Indians will be a pain in the ass all season. I highly doubt they will be contending, but will probably hover around .500 this season. I can see them being a major pain for the Sox.

:wh1tesox00

Hovering around .500? Hell, we'll be lucky to hover around .500. Remember, 8 games over .500 was enough to win the division last year. If cleveland plays .500 ball, we're in seriousd trouble and this might be a 4 team race.....