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MRKARNO
03-15-2004, 02:53 PM
Pirates righthander Kris Benson and $3 million for White Sox righthander Jon Rauch and Class AAA LHP Josh Stewart.
Benson will be traded, perhaps by opening day. The Pirates' problem is finding a taker for a pitcher who is A) coming off shoulder trouble; B) perceived to lack mental toughness; and C) being paid $6 million in his walk year.

The Sox, who would receive half of Benson's salary in the deal, still would need to raise their payroll from $64 million. They were burned the last time they swapped pitchers with the Pirates, parting with Kip Wells and Josh Fogg for Todd Ritchie. But Benson would make their rotation the deepest in the mediocre A.L. Central.

The Cardinals, perhaps the team most interested in Benson, also are in a payroll bind. The Pirates could keep Benson, hope to build his value and then move him in July, but they would be risking that he would stay healthy. By paying a sizable chunk of his salary, they might get better players.

Rauch, 25, has gone from top prospect to odd man out, and he wouldn't be an ideal fit for the Pirates, who need hitters more than pitchers. But by increasing their depth, the Pirates could deal from strength later.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=pssttogmsmakethesedeals&prov=tsn&type=lgns

ScottyTheSoxFan
03-15-2004, 02:57 PM
if benson is healthy, ok. but we dont need to trade two potential starters for an injured guy. benson has not done much in his mlb career, (though he has always been on a horrible team, and injurys have ruined his last 2 seasons)

Randar68
03-15-2004, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by ScottyTheSoxFan
if benson is healthy, ok. but we dont need to trade two potential starters for an injured guy. benson has not done much in his mlb career, (though he has always been on a horrible team, and injurys have ruined his last 2 seasons)

This would be a real bad trade given Benson can walk after this year and has already had more than his share of health problems. NEVER seems to be healthy.

munchman33
03-15-2004, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by ScottyTheSoxFan
if benson is healthy, ok. but we dont need to trade two potential starters for an injured guy. benson has not done much in his mlb career, (though he has always been on a horrible team, and injurys have ruined his last 2 seasons)

Before his first injury, he was considered the best young pitcher in the national league.

I'd take him, but not at the expense of Danny Wright being in the rotation. Perhaps if we could include Shoenweiss in the deal.

sas1974
03-15-2004, 03:00 PM
Not that Rauch and Stewart have been w/o injury, but this makes me very nervous.

Frater Perdurabo
03-15-2004, 03:03 PM
Don't do it.

Kuzman
03-15-2004, 03:08 PM
i say do it. rauch and stewart suck...

if they ended up having good years you can all beat me with a sack of door knobs

Dadawg_77
03-15-2004, 03:09 PM
The Sox will make this move, it just smells of Kenny's stupity.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 03:15 PM
Id do it for one or the other, not both.

sas1974
03-15-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Id do it for one or the other, not both.

If that's an option, I think someone needs to pack Josh's bags for him.

Did I mention that this trade makes me nervous yet? Oh, yes I did.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
If that's an option, I think someone needs to pack Josh's bags for him.

Did I mention that this trade makes me nervous yet? Oh, yes I did.

Like someone said, before injury, Benson was considered to be one of the best young-guns in the game. Now, I know that was said about Rauch as well, but Benson did it in the majors before injury.

poorme
03-15-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
The Sox will make this move, it just smells of Kenny's stupity.

It certainly is his MO to trade for guys who stay only one year. (Colon, Wells, Richie, Alomar, Everett, ect.)

A.T. Money
03-15-2004, 03:26 PM
I think Benson and Koch are best buddies. This can bode well for both guys, they can feed off each other.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
I think Benson and Koch are best buddies. This can bode well for both guys, they can feed off each other.

Another tid-bit, lol, tid-bit.

Benson is the number 1 guy in Pitt. If he came here, he's the five guy, I doubt that Ozzie would put him above Shoe or Garland. Not a lot of pressure can be a good thing.

Mammoo
03-15-2004, 03:34 PM
If Rauch can't beat out Danny Wright for the 5th spot on the staff, why keep him??? :?:

Hangar18
03-15-2004, 03:36 PM
Wait a second. Were lobbing all kinds of Players back and forth here. this is the Pittsburgh Pirates. The AAA Pirates to be exact. The Same team that GAVE all their best players to the CUbs for basically .....Bobby Million Dollar Hill. Benson can be had for Peanuts if we really want him. Offer Daryl Boston for Benson straight up, and they'll Jump on the deal.

Fungo
03-15-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
The Sox will make this move, it just smells of Kenny's stupity.
Why not throw in Matt Ginter and make it another 3 for 1, Kenny special with the Pirates.

munchman33
03-15-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Wait a second. Were lobbing all kinds of Players back and forth here. this is the Pittsburgh Pirates. The AAA Pirates to be exact. The Same team that GAVE all their best players to the CUbs for basically .....Bobby Million Dollar Hill. Benson can be had for Peanuts if we really want him. Offer Daryl Boston for Benson straight up, and they'll Jump on the deal.

Yeah, but if we give them real prospects they're more likely to eat some of his contract, which is key for any deal Kenny Williams wants to make.

BeerHandle
03-15-2004, 03:54 PM
Pass on Benson.

jeremyb1
03-15-2004, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Mammoo
If Rauch can't beat out Danny Wright for the 5th spot on the staff, why keep him??? :?:

Because maybe Rauch should beat out Wright but because of human error as far as evaluating talent goes, he won't. Personally I'd like to see Rauch given a legitimate chance to pitch in the majors before we deal him even if it is in the pen. The only time he's pitched, he was poorly misused and coming off an injury. He wasn't given a chance last season even in September despite a solid season at Charlotte featuring a dynamite finish down the stretch. Its starting to seem like he's targeted for Charlotte again this season. I'd hate to trade him and see him perform well knowing we never really got to see him at full strength in the majors save two starts at the end of the '02 season.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
Because maybe Rauch should beat out Wright but because of human error as far as evaluating talent goes, he won't. Personally I'd like to see Rauch given a legitimate chance to pitch in the majors before we deal him even if it is in the pen. The only time he's pitched, he was poorly misused and coming off an injury. He wasn't given a chance last season even in September despite a solid season at Charlotte featuring a dynamite finish down the stretch. Its starting to seem like he's targeted for Charlotte again this season. I'd hate to trade him and see him perform well knowing we never really got to see him at full strength in the majors save two starts at the end of the '02 season.

Good point, jeremy. He hasn't been given a real shot to show his stuff at the major league level. Danny Wright has and has failed miserably, except for his stint in the bullpen. That's what Danny Wright is, a reliever. It allows him to throw harder and more effectively for less time.

Why Wright has just gotten the spot right now just baffles me, same goes for Shoe. By performances alone, I think Rauch and Grilli have earned spots 4 and 5.

gogosoxgogo
03-15-2004, 05:57 PM
Yeah, I do that. Stewart is no loss. Rauch hasn't shown anything in the last 3 years as he hasn't been able to recover from his injury. Benson is a better option than Schoeneweis in that fourth starters spot and I think we would all agree that we need more pitching. I would say that Benson has a pretty good possibility to have a good year. If nothing else, I think he could match the type of production that Garland will give us. They are similar types of pitchers and as I said, Benson is a better pick than the left handed Billy Koch that is Scott Schoeneweis.

Randar68
03-15-2004, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
Because maybe Rauch should beat out Wright but because of human error as far as evaluating talent goes, he won't. Personally I'd like to see Rauch given a legitimate chance to pitch in the majors before we deal him even if it is in the pen. The only time he's pitched, he was poorly misused and coming off an injury. He wasn't given a chance last season even in September despite a solid season at Charlotte featuring a dynamite finish down the stretch. Its starting to seem like he's targeted for Charlotte again this season. I'd hate to trade him and see him perform well knowing we never really got to see him at full strength in the majors save two starts at the end of the '02 season.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Kenny can't get over his spat and it's becomming obvious he may not get a chance here. Schoeweiss??? UGH.

lowesox
03-15-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Why Wright has just gotten the spot right now just baffles me, same goes for Shoe. By performances alone, I think Rauch and Grilli have earned spots 4 and 5.

Hold on a second. Yes, Wright was awful last year, but he was good enough to win something like 14 games the year before. And he has earned the job this spring. I think one of the best things management can do for a team is show them that the players who perform the best get the spots. It's a little incentive.

gogosoxgogo
03-15-2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Why Wright has just gotten the spot right now just baffles me, same goes for Shoe. By performances alone, I think Rauch and Grilli have earned spots 4 and 5.

I've got to agree with lowe. If you go by performance alone, Wright has definately earned one of those spots. How has Rauch? He hasn't done anything this spring. Schoeneweis, however, I must agree with you on.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
Hold on a second. Yes, Wright was awful last year, but he was good enough to win something like 14 games the year before. And he has earned the job this spring. I think one of the best things management can do for a team is show them that the players who perform the best get the spots. It's a little incentive.

OK, well, if you use that logic (which I also agree with), then why does Schoenwies just automatically get the four spot? Maybe even the three spot? KW and Guillen have been hyping him up to be awesome, yet he's been pretty terrible in ST and hasn't proven he can consistently get out righties.

I have no problem with guys earning spots in the rotation, but why is Shoe just handed a spot? Sure, maybe Wright should be given another shot but Shoe is a LEFTY-SPECIALIST, nothing more in my mind. Rauch has seldom been given a chance to succeed; I want to see Rauch given a chance to live up to that "Best Player in the Minors" label that he was given a few years ago.

jabrch
03-15-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
I think Benson and Koch are best buddies. This can bode well for both guys, they can feed off each other.

:XL
"Did he say FEED?"

vettemaster
03-15-2004, 06:29 PM
Just to give you an update, Rauch pitched in a "B" game today and gave up just one hit...no walks and threw just 38 pitches in four innings....do not count him out just yet...both Cooper and Ozzie were there at the game. Lets hope they give Rauch another chance in 4-5 days.
GO RAUCH!! GO WHITE SOX!!

RichFitztightly
03-15-2004, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
I think Benson and Koch are best buddies. This can bode well for both guys, they can feed off each other.

Or hold each other's hands as they spiral down hill together.

As far as Rauch goes... I don't know. I saw him in Spring Training in an intrasquad game and he didn't look good. Stats-wise he was decent, 3 innings, gave up 4 hits, 2 K's, maybe a run. But his fast ball had no movement and looked lazy and I wasn't impressed with his breaking pitch, it kinda rolled up there. The only reason why I can imagine he got outs was he was facing young guys who aren't going to make the team. That, and his fastball comes in at a much sharper downward angle than most pitchers. That's something that a hitter can make adjustments for. The thing I was least impressed with was his smug attitude at striking a newbie out even though he missed his spot by a lot. "That last ball was s'posed to be low and I got it high. Huh huh, so much for location, eh" is how he phrased it. I could be reading too much into the comment, and who am I to say if he's able to get the outs.

At this stage, I wouldn't be disappointed if he weren't on the team anymore.

Rex Hudler
03-15-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
Id do it for one or the other, not both.

If you expect to get $3 million in cash along with Benson, one won't be enough.

fsphog
03-15-2004, 08:40 PM
The thing I was least impressed with was his smug attitude at striking a newbie out even though he missed his spot by a lot. "That last ball was s'posed to be low and I got it high. Huh huh, so much for location, eh" is how he phrased it. I could be reading too much into the comment, and who am I to say if he's able to get the outs.

At this stage, I wouldn't be disappointed if he weren't on the team anymore.

yeah - id say you are reading too much into it - even if you did hear him correctly from 100 ft away (im sure)- the guy is a competitor (would he have been on the olympic team if he wasnt??) - do you think that he's happy that he was dealt a bad hand with an injury and having to learn how to throw so he wouldn't reinjure the shoulder from good ol' nardi contreras?? come on, get a clue. obviously you havent seen rauch pitch recently - seeing that he has done a pretty good job of getting hitters out in his past three outings, despite two mistakes against the rockies the first time. the guy is showing me that he has the balls to come back from a surgery, along with the fact that he has gotten no true opportunities to suceed consistantly at a major league level (we all saw what he could do in sept. 02)

we'll just have to see how things pan out in the long run.

RichFitztightly
03-15-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by fsphog
yeah - id say you are reading too much into it - even if you did hear him correctly from 100 ft away (im sure)- the guy is a competitor (would he have been on the olympic team if he wasnt??) - do you think that he's happy that he was dealt a bad hand with an injury and having to learn how to throw so he wouldn't reinjure the shoulder from good ol' nardi contreras?? come on, get a clue. obviously you havent seen rauch pitch recently - seeing that he has done a pretty good job of getting hitters out in his past three outings, despite two mistakes against the rockies the first time. the guy is showing me that he has the balls to come back from a surgery, along with the fact that he has gotten no true opportunities to suceed consistantly at a major league level (we all saw what he could do in sept. 02)

we'll just have to see how things pan out in the long run.

I was standing 5 feet away tops. I heard his comment clear as day. Watching the intrasquad games is like watching a team playing on a little league field. You're that close. I was about 30 feet behind the plate and at field level. He's obviously a competitor. He wouldn't be at the major/minor league level if he weren't. My comment was that I didn't think his stuff was that good. I was more impressed with Schoenweis (the first inning only), Felix Diaz, Munoz, and I thought Josh Stewart was about on the same level. I wanted to finish my post by saying, in actuallity, the quality of his pitches is irrelevant if he can still get people out, and he has been doing that with some success. I'm of the opinion that the hitters will adjust and he won't be an effective pitcher. That being said, it was one outing and he could have had an off day, in which case it still wasn't terrible.

As far as Rauch's comment goes, I don't know him well enough to guage if it had egotistical overtures where he meant, "I'm so good I can get people out even if I don't hit my spots"

Or, it could have been a self-deprecating comment in the vein of, "So much for being able to hit my spots. Geez... I expect to make this team with that effort."

Either way, I didn't like what I saw that day as far as pitch quality goes. I've never really been impressed with him as big-time pitcher. His presence isn't going to make or break this team.

fsphog
03-15-2004, 10:06 PM
hmm, lets see - theres is a center area thats about 45 feet away from the screens, and you had all the coaches and such in front of you with their golf carts and such, unless you were down the line along the path that you walk in and out of the complex on - anyhow, so what if you heard that comment - i know jon personally and he has been battling control problems since his surgery - his isnt the same pitcher - also, in 2003 that was why he got sent down early in camp. i talked to jon about this and he said that he might have said that sarcastically - he obviously wasnt happy with the results that day, and he sets higher standards for himself than any coach or gm ever could. unless you are around him how can you make a judgement over one statement when a guy is battling his ass off with no idea what the outcome of all his hard work might be. any player says things in the heat of the moment when they arent happy with themselves, its up to us to look past that and see what they can do on the field. look at players like albert belle who were not exactly candid on and off the field, but were damn good players. rauch isnt out there to piss people off, in fact he is a very low key laid back person off the field - but he lives for competition on it.

vettemaster
03-15-2004, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by RichFitztightly
I was standing 5 feet away tops. I heard his comment clear as day. Watching the intrasquad games is like watching a team playing on a little league field. You're that close. I was about 30 feet behind the plate and at field level. He's obviously a competitor. He wouldn't be at the major/minor league level if he weren't. My comment was that I didn't think his stuff was that good. I was more impressed with Schoenweis (the first inning only), Felix Diaz, Munoz, and I thought Josh Stewart was about on the same level. I wanted to finish my post by saying, in actuallity, the quality of his pitches is irrelevant if he can still get people out, and he has been doing that with some success. I'm of the opinion that the hitters will adjust and he won't be an effective pitcher. That being said, it was one outing and he could have had an off day, in which case it still wasn't terrible.

As far as Rauch's comment goes, I don't know him well enough to guage if it had egotistical overtures where he meant, "I'm so good I can get people out even if I don't hit my spots"

Or, it could have been a self-deprecating comment in the vein of, "So much for being able to hit my spots. Geez... I expect to make this team with that effort."

Either way, I didn't like what I saw that day as far as pitch quality goes. I've never really been impressed with him as big-time pitcher. His presence isn't going to make or break this team.

You were just 5 feet away from Rauch or 30 feet behind home plate...did you dicuss the situation with Rauch on the mound? You got to be kidding...I dont have a problem with you not feeling that Rauch is not a good player,but to make up some BS about his character is a bush move on your part. Does these comments make you feel like a BIG MAN? Oh yeah, you heard him as clear as day....the only thing that is clear to some of us on this board is that you DONT HAVE A CLUE! Get a grip on what is going on in spring training. Every player there is giving 110 % to make the team and the competition is fierce.
You should talk to someone who saw Jon Rauch pitch against the Twins at the end of 2002, and ask them how the hitters adjusted to Rauch's pitching. The first game Rauch/Sox won and the second game (in six days) Rauch gave up one run in 7 innings with 5 K's and no walks.
I can tell you at this point I am not really impressed with your opinion.

gosox41
03-16-2004, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
This would be a real bad trade given Benson can walk after this year and has already had more than his share of health problems. NEVER seems to be healthy.


You mean the Sox can get both Benson and Griffey? I like our chanse for the 15 starts Benson makes and the 75 games Griffey plays in before getting hurt.

Bob

gosox41
03-16-2004, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by munchman33
Yeah, but if we give them real prospects they're more likely to eat some of his contract, which is key for any deal Kenny Williams wants to make.

Trading 2 propsects for an injury prone pitcher in his free agent year just to save $3 mill is one of the dumbest things the Sox could do.

I still have faith Rauch can be something good. And I think Wright has come into camp with a much better attiude and is healthy (both knee and elobw). I think Wright is best suited for the bullpen but no way do I expect him to be as bad in the starting rotation as he was last season.

Bob

poorme
03-16-2004, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by fsphog
- i know jon personally and he has been battling control problems since his surgery - his isnt the same pitcher -

Well, is he ever going to be the same pitcher?

soxtalker
03-16-2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
Trading 2 propsects for an injury prone pitcher in his free agent year just to save $3 mill is one of the dumbest things the Sox could do.

Bob

I wouldn't make that trade either.

As far as the Rauch, Wright, ... debate is concerned, which of those (4 or 5) pitchers can still be sent to the minors, and which of them pretty much have to stay or be traded?

RichFitztightly
03-16-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by vettemaster
You were just 5 feet away from Rauch or 30 feet behind home plate...did you dicuss the situation with Rauch on the mound? You got to be kidding...I dont have a problem with you not feeling that Rauch is not a good player,but to make up some BS about his character is a bush move on your part. Does these comments make you feel like a BIG MAN? Oh yeah, you heard him as clear as day....the only thing that is clear to some of us on this board is that you DONT HAVE A CLUE! Get a grip on what is going on in spring training. Every player there is giving 110 % to make the team and the competition is fierce.
You should talk to someone who saw Jon Rauch pitch against the Twins at the end of 2002, and ask them how the hitters adjusted to Rauch's pitching. The first game Rauch/Sox won and the second game (in six days) Rauch gave up one run in 7 innings with 5 K's and no walks.
I can tell you at this point I am not really impressed with your opinion.

Whoa dude. He didn't say it on the mound. The whole incedent I mentioned with the missed location happened to the last hitter he faced. Afterwards, he was walking towards wherever they go after they're done. He walked right across my face and said it as he was walking by. My immediate thought when I heard it was, "What the hell? Why would you be joking about not being able to hit your spots and why in the world would you be smug about it?"

That was my immediate thought. That was all I was trying to portray.

In my previous posts I made concessions that the comment could be made as a self-deprecating comment. I obviously don't know him, nor was I in a position to ask him to clarify what he meant by it. Nor did the skies part, a ray of sunshine spotlighted him, and a choir of angels marked the announcment of his words. This is something he said in passing and it caught my attention, coupled with my memory of reports of him having an attitude of entitlement, the comment didn't leave a good impression on me. Now just so we're clear, I'm going to make a concession that I am/was going off my memory with this report. Therefore, I could be wrong with the person it involved. But that memory painted my perception of the quote.

Originally posted by fsphog
so what if you heard that comment - i know jon personally and he has been battling control problems since his surgery - his isnt the same pitcher - also, in 2003 that was why he got sent down early in camp. i talked to jon about this and he said that he might have said that sarcastically - he obviously wasnt happy with the results that day, and he sets higher standards for himself than any coach or gm ever could. unless you are around him how can you make a judgement over one statement when a guy is battling his ass off with no idea what the outcome of all his hard work might be. any player says things in the heat of the moment when they arent happy with themselves, its up to us to look past that and see what they can do on the field. look at players like albert belle who were not exactly candid on and off the field, but were damn good players. rauch isnt out there to piss people off, in fact he is a very low key laid back person off the field - but he lives for competition on it.

I agree, so what if I heard that comment. It probably doesn't mean anything, especially if you can get hitters out. That's all that matters. My point is that he did say it. I'm sorry if it was portrayed that I was pissed off over it. I'm not. All I wanted to portray with my posts is my reaction to it. 99% of the fans here aren't able to make it to Spring Training I just wanted to give them a Sox fan's biased account of what happened on one particular day.

EDIT: I also wanted to portray in my original posts that I don't think he's that good. My comment about his quote is a bit superflous (sp?) to that argument.

duke of dorwood
03-16-2004, 11:12 AM
Our GM just cant make trades. Just sign someone-keeps his poor abilities out of the equasion

hillbilly
03-16-2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by vettemaster
You were just 5 feet away from Rauch or 30 feet behind home plate...did you dicuss the situation with Rauch on the mound? You got to be kidding...I dont have a problem with you not feeling that Rauch is not a good player,but to make up some BS about his character is a bush move on your part. Does these comments make you feel like a BIG MAN? Oh yeah, you heard him as clear as day....the only thing that is clear to some of us on this board is that you DONT HAVE A CLUE! Get a grip on what is going on in spring training. Every player there is giving 110 % to make the team and the competition is fierce.
You should talk to someone who saw Jon Rauch pitch against the Twins at the end of 2002, and ask them how the hitters adjusted to Rauch's pitching. The first game Rauch/Sox won and the second game (in six days) Rauch gave up one run in 7 innings with 5 K's and no walks.
I can tell you at this point I am not really impressed with your opinion.

To make a personal attack on him is ludicrous. He was just stating what Rauch said and how he could've meant it. He never made up any BS about his character. If you attack someone and say a lot of people on this board think he doesn't have a clue when you can't even get what he said straight. Who doesnt have a clue??

kittle42
03-16-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by vettemaster
I can tell you at this point I am not really impressed with your opinion.

Newbie.

hftrex
03-16-2004, 01:45 PM
This whole idea sounds like the Todd Ritchie trade all over again.

doublem23
03-16-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
:XL
"Did he say FEED?"

:)

That's awesome.

Rex Hudler
03-16-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker
I wouldn't make that trade either.

As far as the Rauch, Wright, ... debate is concerned, which of those (4 or 5) pitchers can still be sent to the minors, and which of them pretty much have to stay or be traded?

Matt Ginter is out of options. I do not believe that applies to any others. I know for a fact Rauch has one option left. Wright is fine too, but I doubt you will see him head back to Charlotte.

Tragg
03-16-2004, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=pssttogmsmakethesedeals&prov=tsn&type=lgns

That would be an insane trade

Almost as silly as the for Jeff Weaver.

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 10:03 PM
I dont see why we couldnt just give them Stewart for Benson

Rex Hudler
03-16-2004, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I dont see why we couldnt just give them Stewart for Benson

You might be able to, without getting the $3 million in return. Do the Sox have an extra $6+ million laying around?

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Rex Hudler
You might be able to, without getting the $3 million in return. Do the Sox have an extra $6+ million laying around?

Dont forget these are the pirates we're dealing with. They'd pay half the salary to get one mediocre prospect and not have to pay the other half of the salary

Daver
03-16-2004, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Dont forget these are the pirates we're dealing with. They'd pay half the salary to get one mediocre prospect and not have to pay the other half of the salary

I doubt Stewart could pass a physical right now.......

Rex Hudler
03-16-2004, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Daver
I doubt Stewart could pass a physical right now.......

I haven't heard specific news, but that would not surprise me at all.

chisoxt
03-16-2004, 11:05 PM
The Sox will make this move, it just smells of Kenny's stupity.


...and his propensity of getting pants by the same GM more than once.