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Hokiesox
03-15-2004, 02:39 PM
Ok, I'd like to use this opportunity to allow all the "KW sucks for signing Uribe, he's no good, blah blah blah" folks to write their repentance and accept the fact that he's going to be intriguing to watch, and could postpone the Wille Harris era (something we can all agree is a good thing).

C'mon, fill up the space.

I'm not saying he's the next great 2 bagger, but hey...he can apparently hit. I'm at least excited to see how he'll do now!

mealfred13
03-15-2004, 03:00 PM
I'll bite. He's apparently pretty damn fast, had at least 2 triples that I saw so far. I think if he can be more patient at the plate, he might even make a good #1 guy if willie doesn't pan out.

34 Inch Stick
03-15-2004, 03:01 PM
You might be getting a little ahead of yourself on this one.

CWSGuy406
03-15-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
You might be getting a little ahead of yourself on this one.

Yep. But at least someone will push Willie for the spot. Hell, Willie has done nothing to earn the 2B spot so far in ST except for his D. Uribe's done more with the lumber, and is also very solid defensively.

CubKilla
03-15-2004, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
You might be getting a little ahead of yourself on this one.

Yeah. I'll eat crow if Uribe resembles anything close to an everyday 2B come September..... assuming he beats out Harris AND plays 2B the majority of the season.

Hangar18
03-15-2004, 03:40 PM
Uribe is turning into a Major Surprise. A Much needed surprise mind you. The way hes going right now, let him lead-off,
and play 2B. SouthSide Willie can Grab some Bench, where
he belongs, as a defensive, and Pinch Running Speed Burning Specialist. Its all about playing roles man, and as long as OZZ can get everyones roles in order, we may luck out this year

BeerHandle
03-15-2004, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Uribe is turning into a Major Surprise. A Much needed surprise mind you. The way hes going right now, let him lead-off,
and play 2B. SouthSide Willie can Grab some Bench, where
he belongs, as a defensive, and Pinch Running Speed Burning Specialist. Its all about playing roles man, and as long as OZZ can get everyones roles in order, we may luck out this year

I think everyone knew he could hit and with a hispanic coach everyone that he would only improve. The question is can he play second?

Jjav829
03-15-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Hokiesox
Ok, I'd like to use this opportunity to allow all the "KW sucks for signing Uribe, he's no good, blah blah blah" folks to write their repentance and accept the fact that he's going to be intriguing to watch, and could postpone the Wille Harris era (something we can all agree is a good thing).

C'mon, fill up the space.

I'm not saying he's the next great 2 bagger, but hey...he can apparently hit. I'm at least excited to see how he'll do now!

I'll hold off on building the HOF wing for Juan Uribe. It's way too early. Excuse me for not jumping for joy for a guy who came into the day 5-22 on the year. Yeah, great, he's hit a couple HR's and has some speed. Not lets see that he can actually hit. He has what, 2 singles on the year? He's not going to keep hitting HR's at the pace he's hitting them now, so I want to see that he can actually make solid contact and get base hits. He hasn't proven that yet.

And no I don't necessarily agree that postponing the Willie Harris era for Juan Uribe is going to be a good thing. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it's not exactly like Juan Uribe is having the Spring Training that Rowand is. If he ever becomes a solid hitting second baseman, I'll eat crow. But I'm certainly not doing it now. This is WAY WAY WAY too early.

ScottyTheSoxFan
03-15-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829
I'll hold off on building the HOF wing for Juan Uribe. It's way too early. Excuse me for not jumping for joy for a guy who came into the day 5-22 on the year. Yeah, great, he's hit a couple HR's and has some speed. Not lets see that he can actually hit. He has what, 2 singles on the year? He's not going to keep hitting HR's at the pace he's hitting them now, so I want to see that he can actually make solid contact and get base hits. He hasn't proven that yet.

And no I don't necessarily agree that postponing the Willie Harris era for Juan Uribe is going to be a good thing. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it's not exactly like Juan Uribe is having the Spring Training that Rowand is. If he ever becomes a solid hitting second baseman, I'll eat crow. But I'm certainly not doing it now. This is WAY WAY WAY too early.

yeah lets not get too excited. this pains me, but i'll bring up some names for everyone. julio ramirez. d'angelo jimenez. give juan time, hopefully he wont turn out like the 2 clowns i just named.

Huisj
03-15-2004, 07:03 PM
i'm a little scared of his career on base percentage. not that harris is any better. frankly, 2b could be a big hole this year

guillen4life13
03-15-2004, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by ScottyTheSoxFan
yeah lets not get too excited. this pains me, but i'll bring up some names for everyone. julio ramirez. d'angelo jimenez. give juan time, hopefully he wont turn out like the 2 clowns i just named.

Jimenez had a nice OBP and carried the team for a portion of last year before he got traded. I understand how people would still be bitter towards him for some of the stupid baserunning mistakes he made, and other defensive brain-farts, but he came through as a leadoff man for a good part of the season.

Julio on the other hand...

Lip Man 1
03-15-2004, 08:41 PM
The question with Uribe wasn't exactly 'could he hit?' since he had some pop in limited time with the Rockies last year (10 home runs?) the questions were (and are) more along the lines of what Joe Cowley wrote about and Ed Farmer commented on last week on the radio...how hard is this guy willing to work and how smart baseball wise is he?

Those two questions have yet to be answered totally but I keep remembering Farmer mentioning how Uribe wasn't even close to covering second base on a bunt attempt so the pitcher (Buehrle) even though he had a play at second, had to throw to first.

Little things mean a lot and as brain dead fundamentally as the Sox have been the past few years they don't need another doofus out there.

We'll see...

Lip

StillMissOzzie
03-16-2004, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406


Yep. But at least someone will push Willie for the spot.


Originally posted by Lip Man 1
The question with Uribe wasn't exactly 'could he hit?' since he had some pop in limited time with the Rockies last year (10 home runs?) the questions were (and are) more along the lines of what Joe Cowley wrote about and Ed Farmer commented on last week on the radio...how hard is this guy willing to work and how smart baseball wise is he?

Lip

Lip, the last question in your 1st paragraph was , IMO, the reason the Sox dumped DuhAngelo Jimenez, so he can't be any worse (I hope!)

CWS, I agree 100% about pushing Harris. Just because he was handed the 2B job on a silver platter is no reason to let him coast.

SMO
:gulp:

SSN721
03-16-2004, 08:02 AM
I am a little suprised at how good Uribe has been offensively this spring. Having I beleive an average around .250 playing in Colorado didnt impress me all that much. To see him hit as well as he is I think it is a pleasant suprise, even though it is only ST so my hopes arent going to get too high. He doesnt seem to be the best defensive 2b but it is nice that Harris will have a little competition and hopefully force himself to work harder and improve to really earn his starting spot, but I still think Harris will be the everyday starter when all is said and done.

fledgedrallycap
03-16-2004, 08:54 AM
We're only about one month away from the first post of the year entitled "Who Else is Sorry we let Jiminez go?" after the pud goes 3-for-4 against the Pirates....

rmusacch
03-16-2004, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Hokiesox
Ok, I'd like to use this opportunity to allow all the "KW sucks for signing Uribe, he's no good, blah blah blah" folks to write their repentance and accept the fact that he's going to be intriguing to watch, and could postpone the Wille Harris era (something we can all agree is a good thing).

C'mon, fill up the space.

I'm not saying he's the next great 2 bagger, but hey...he can apparently hit. I'm at least excited to see how he'll do now!

He can hit because he is hitting .240 in Arizona?

lowesox
03-16-2004, 10:24 AM
I think this is a pretty interesting story. The organization seems very commited to Harris (for whatever reason) and I really do wonder what will happen if Uribe continues to outperform.

poorme
03-16-2004, 10:33 AM
Uribe has been a HORRIBLE hitter thus far in his career. His 52 adjusted OPS in 2002 has to be one of the worse offensive seasons ever.

wsgdf
03-16-2004, 10:35 AM
He doesnt seem to be the best defensive 2b

My Baseball Prospectus 2003 book called him (I don't have it in front of me) one of the BEST if not THE BEST defensive SS in the NL for the 2002 season.

Based on that, I'd guess he'd be just fine at the easier 2B position.

hold2dibber
03-16-2004, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by poorme
Uribe has been a HORRIBLE hitter thus far in his career. His 52 adjusted OPS in 2002 has to be one of the worse offensive seasons ever.

Exactly; the guy couldn't hit in Coors, for Pete's sake. Even the lousiest hitter (see Clayton, Royce) has a good week or two every now and again. His performance this spring means absolutely nothing. I'm not saying he won't be good - I'm just saying it's way too early to tell.

And, in response to the first post in the thread, I don't remember anybody trashing KW for acquiring Uribe - I think most people's reaction was not that it was stupid, but that it was pretty much inconsequential.

MisterB
03-16-2004, 10:45 AM
Just wondering - is this thread enough to establish a 'Friends Of Uribe' (FOU) designation?

:hitless :rowand
"...but you gotta have Friends..."

Tekijawa
03-16-2004, 10:45 AM
Any one know how AARON MILES ST is going? I've heard nothing but good things about him over in colorado and They are even saying he has 20 HR potential in that thin air...

MisterB
03-16-2004, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
Any one know how AARON MILES ST is going? I've heard nothing but good things about him over in colorado and They are even saying he has 20 HR potential in that thin air...

As of today, he's 6 for 28 (.214) with 2 triples.

CWSGuy406
03-16-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
I think this is a pretty interesting story. The organization seems very commited to Harris (for whatever reason) and I really do wonder what will happen if Uribe continues to outperform.

I have no understanding as to why it is committed to some of these players (not saying committment is a bad thing). But, for lets say Shoenwies and Harris. I guess I understand Harris' committment a bit more, because he hit the cover off the ball at AAA before his callup last season, and right before the Sox traded for Alomar he was starting to get the hang of things. But, for Schoewies, I have no clue why he's being handed the fourth, maybe even the third spot.

bartmanisgod
03-16-2004, 12:46 PM
What about the posibility of trading for Alfonso Soriano? He is stuck in Texas with a team that is desperately craving young pitchers. He could easliy fill the void at the position, and is a great leadoff hitter! How much would Texas ask for? It's doubtful that KW would spend that kind of money/talent... but who knows....if we are doing well in July and our biggest problem is 2b/leadoff why not?

TaylorStSox
03-16-2004, 01:18 PM
What about the posibility of trading for Alfonso Soriano? He is stuck in Texas with a team that is desperately craving young pitchers. He could easliy fill the void at the position, and is a great leadoff hitter! How much would Texas ask for? It's doubtful that KW would spend that kind of money/talent... but who knows....if we are doing well in July and our biggest problem is 2b/leadoff why not?


I'm hoping that our current legacy of poor fielding, right handed power hitters is over. The last thing this team needs is Soriano. He's a fine player, but he doesn't fit into our needs.

MRKARNO
03-16-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
I'm hoping that our current legacy of poor fielding, right handed power hitters is over. The last thing this team needs is Soriano. He's a fine player, but he doesn't fit into our needs.

You're about to tell me that you wouldnt rather have Soriano over Harris or Uribe? You're freakin' nuts unless you believe in JR's self-imposed salary cap.

hftrex
03-16-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
I have no understanding as to why it is committed to some of these players (not saying committment is a bad thing). But, for lets say Shoenwies and Harris. I guess I understand Harris' committment a bit more, because he hit the cover off the ball at AAA before his callup last season, and right before the Sox traded for Alomar he was starting to get the hang of things. But, for Schoewies, I have no clue why he's being handed the fourth, maybe even the third spot.


Last year, you were probably saying the same sort of thing about that Loaiza guy who had never, ever won more than 11 games in a season...................

Frater Perdurabo
03-16-2004, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by bartmanisgod
What about the posibility of trading for Alfonso Soriano? He is stuck in Texas with a team that is desperately craving young pitchers. He could easliy fill the void at the position, and is a great leadoff hitter! How much would Texas ask for? It's doubtful that KW would spend that kind of money/talent... but who knows....if we are doing well in July and our biggest problem is 2b/leadoff why not?

Soriano wouldn't even be my first choice from among the Rangers' second-basemen. I'd prefer Michael Young, but I doubt they would trade him.

voodoochile
03-16-2004, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by hftrex
Last year, you were probably saying the same sort of thing about that Loaiza guy who had never, ever won more than 11 games in a season...................

Just because one guy comes out of nowhere to do great things doesn't mean all the unknowns will do the same.

Hope you are right, but until Uribe does it consistently at the major legaue level, he will be a question mark. Loaiza had at least had some success, though his breakout season last year was obviously a surprise.

MisterB
03-16-2004, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by hftrex
Last year, you were probably saying the same sort of thing about that Loaiza guy who had never, ever won more than 11 games in a season...................

Loaiza wasn't handed a slot in the rotation before ST began. He got a minor league contract and a ST invite and earned a rotation spot. Shoney hasn't done much of anything at any level of pro ball yet the #4 slot is his to lose? It doesn't make sense.

wsgdf
03-16-2004, 02:43 PM
Soriano wouldn't even be my first choice from among the Rangers' second-basemen. I'd prefer Michael Young, but I doubt they would trade him.

LOL - I'll have some of what you're drinking.

lowesox
03-16-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
You're about to tell me that you wouldnt rather have Soriano over Harris or Uribe? You're freakin' nuts unless you believe in JR's self-imposed salary cap.

Actually, I think he makes a very good point. I'd like to see this team make some strategic acquisitions. Guys who do the little things like bunt, steal bases, go first to third, play good D, etc... Which reminds me, we need a decent 4th outfielder.

sas1974
03-16-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
Actually, I think he makes a very good point. I'd like to see this team make some strategic acquisitions. Guys who do the little things like bunt, steal bases, go first to third, play good D, etc... Which reminds me, we need a decent 4th outfielder.

From what I have read thus far, that #4 outfielder is shaping up to be Gload.