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Happy Felsch Fan
03-04-2004, 07:48 AM
It appears that we may have extra arms in the bullpen and that Kelly W. could be gone in a deal. What does anybody thinks we could get for this valuable LH arm?

Realist
03-04-2004, 07:53 AM
Kelly Wunsch is the kinda guy that you wish you have on your team when you don't have a Kelly Wunsch. I say don't trade him. For what it's worth, I thought Robin Ventura was a similar player. In a way, I'm still sick that we ever lost him.

Happy Felsch Fan
03-04-2004, 08:02 AM
I was sick when we traded Robin. He was the best 3rd baseman the Sox had in my lifetime. We still have not replaced his left handed bat, four years later.

Kelly W. is valuable and reasonable money wise. Not sure what we could get for him but packaged with Valentine and Konerko perhaps he could bring us a young shortstop.

thepaulbowski
03-04-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by Happy Felsch Fan
I was sick when we traded Robin. He was the best 3rd baseman the Sox had in my lifetime.

Didn't Robin leave as a free agent? :?: :?: :?:

HomeFish
03-04-2004, 08:35 AM
We don't have extra arms in the bullpen. Given our rotation, we need all the relief pitching we can get.

Kelly is one of the few good relievers we have; when he takes the mound, I have confidence. That's not something I can say for most of our pitchers.

SSN721
03-04-2004, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by HomeFish
We don't have extra arms in the bullpen. Given our rotation, we need all the relief pitching we can get.

Kelly is one of the few good relievers we have; when he takes the mound, I have confidence. That's not something I can say for most of our pitchers.

I agree, since it seems that we wont have the inning eaters (well eater) we had last season I have no problem with having lots of arms in the pen. Kelly is pretty cheap for his ability and I wouldnt want to trade away that value unless we get something valuable in return. I dont know if he is as important as Robin was but I still think he is a big part of the bullpen and would be foolish, at least this year, to get rid of him.

doublem23
03-04-2004, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by thepaulbowski
Didn't Robin leave as a free agent? :?: :?: :?:

Yes. And it's already been, what? Seven years since he left?

Baby Fisk
03-04-2004, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Happy Felsch Fan
What does anybody thinks we could get for this valuable LH arm?

Why trade a valuable LH arm? Do not trade Kelly!

soxtalker
03-04-2004, 10:14 AM
The relief core does appear to be an acknowledged strength of our team. So, whether it is Kelly Wunsch or one of the other relievers, this is one of the few areas from which we could draw to fill holes elsewhere. However, except for the closer role, are any of the other relief positions really able to bring in much in a trade? I'm not talking about specific individuals, but trading in general. I could see them being part of larger package, but a straight one-for-one deal seems problematic.

SEALgep
03-04-2004, 10:22 AM
I don't want to trade him. He is a lefty specialist, and that essentially is not terribly difficult to replace. However, Wunsch is very good against both lefty and righties, which is a distinct advantage to have with your lefty specialist. He can stay in the game and continue to pitch for at least one inning and sometimes two. The lefty/righty/lefty special innings won't necessarily prompt a move, he can face all of them. Plus I love the lefty and righty submariner combination. I want to see how they can use that. :smile:

delben91
03-04-2004, 11:00 AM
Ok, clear something up for me. Has it been reported that the Sox are actually trying to trade Kelly? Or is this pure speculation of "if the Sox were to trade a reliever, what if it were Kelly..." ?

SEALgep
03-04-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by delben91
Ok, clear something up for me. Has it been reported that the Sox are actually trying to trade Kelly? Or is this pure speculation of "if the Sox were to trade a reliever, what if it were Kelly..." ? On the Sox site on mlb.com it mentions that we have a bunch of lefty relivers that appear to be ready for the majors. Because of that, they say naturally you would assume a move of Wunsch to make room, not that it is necessarily being considered by the organization.

benjamin
03-04-2004, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Happy Felsch Fan
It appears that we may have extra arms in the bullpen and that Kelly W. could be gone in a deal. What does anybody thinks we could get for this valuable LH arm?

Since 2000:


HITS/9 IP (minimum 150 IP)
1 Billy Wagner 6.27
2 Damaso Marte 6.53 :o:
3 Arthur Rhodes 6.72
4 Kelly Wunsch 6.78 :o:
5 Eddie Guardado 7.06
(Lefties only)


Wunsch is cheap, and very productive. It would be impossible to pull a trade off that would bring back fair value. Further, without Wunsch in the bullpen, Marte would be less likely to assume the closer role.

Randar68
03-04-2004, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by benjamin
Further, without Wunsch in the bullpen, Marte would be less likely to assume the closer role.

I don't think they really want him to be a closer. The way he pitched last season, if they desired to make him the closer, they would have.

I don't want to trade Kelly:

1) He's excellent
2) If Koch + Mr. Zero can't get it done, Marte would be the only one left to do the job, and trading Kelly leaves you without that situational LH reliever.

stillz
03-04-2004, 12:07 PM
Keep Kelly!

His stats + salary make him a solid member of the staff.

Plus, he's rock 'n' roll through and through.

Dadawg_77
03-04-2004, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by benjamin

Wunsch is cheap, and very productive. It would be impossible to pull a trade off that would bring back fair value. Further, without Wunsch in the bullpen, Marte would be less likely to assume the closer role.

Making Marte a closer would be a waste of talent.

DrCrawdad
03-04-2004, 03:14 PM
New look.

TheRockinMT
03-04-2004, 03:58 PM
What is the basis for thinking Kelly Wunsch might be gone in a deal? I haven't seen anything printed about it? He is a good LH reliever and what would we be getting in return for a situational LH pitchjer that we need anyway?

kermittheefrog
03-04-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Realist
Kelly Wunsch is the kinda guy that you wish you have on your team when you don't have a Kelly Wunsch. I say don't trade him. For what it's worth, I thought Robin Ventura was a similar player. In a way, I'm still sick that we ever lost him.

Are you serious? You are saying that Kelly Wunsch, a lefty specialist who in the last 3 seasons combined, has thrown all of 90 innings. Is a similar player to Robin Ventura who was an all star third baseman who played 150+ games a year, won gold gloves and was pretty much the second best positioned player on the team for nearly a decade. Similar players you say? What baseball games are you watching?

Realist
03-04-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Are you serious? You are saying that Kelly Wunsch, a lefty specialist who in the last 3 seasons combined, has thrown all of 90 innings. Is a similar player to Robin Ventura who was an all star third baseman who played 150+ games a year, won gold gloves and was pretty much the second best positioned player on the team for nearly a decade. Similar players you say? What baseball games are you watching?

Yes, I'm serious. Kelly Wunsch is the kind of player you'd want on your team if you didn't have a guy like him. I'm not comparing him to Robin Ventura as a 3rd baseman. Wunsch is a relief pitcher.

Are you trying to make an argument that the Sox should get rid of all their pitchers and just sign position players because they're more valuable because they play more innings? :?: