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blackjack29
03-03-2004, 12:20 PM
Does anyone know what year the Sox started to put the last name on the home jersey and not just the number. I thought it was sometime in the mid 90s.

Brian26
03-03-2004, 01:13 PM
I can check for you tonight when I get home. I think it was mid to late 90's. I'll let you know for sure using some old yearbooks and baseball cards.

blackjack29
03-03-2004, 01:44 PM
Thanks, I would appreciate it.

CHISOXFAN13
03-03-2004, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by blackjack29
Thanks, I would appreciate it.

I'm pretty sure it was the post strike season of 1995 but I could be off on that.

tebman
03-03-2004, 01:57 PM
If you're talking about the current uniforms, I'm not sure.
But it was Bill Veeck who first put names on uniforms with
the Sox in 1960 or '61.

I remember reading a quote from Bill in which he described
the abuse he got from other owners and guardians of the
sport for doing something as tacky as putting names on
jerseys, and his anwer was something like, "I thought
people might like to know their names."

- tebman

DrCrawdad
03-03-2004, 02:10 PM
The following is from a 20001 Cubune interview with Mary-Frances Veeck:

Q: It must make you smile when you see some of Bill's promotional
innovations, which weren't received all that well by other owners at the
time, become standard features today in ballparks--like players' names on
uniforms, exploding scoreboards, the singing of "Take Me Out to The
Ballgame" by Harry Caray when he was a White Sox broadcaster.

A: They're standard, but they're so much more commercial. The idea behind
these promotions was giving the fans something to show that you appreciated
their patronage. In '59, for example, one of the things that was unveiled
that season were names on the backs of uniforms. To this day, the New York
Yankees don't do it because apparently they consider it bush. If that's so
bush, what about all the advertising signs in stadiums today? They've all
sold every inch of space, which used to take place only in the minor
leagues.

Many of the ideas were for practical reasons. The uniform names, for
instance. Toward the end of the 1958 season, before we got the White Sox, we
were watching a game on television and in those days the owners were
reluctant to even put the names on scoreboards because they wanted to sell
programs. But Bill noticed that on television, the viewer got the players'
name, position, and maybe some statistics, but the customer in the ballpark
got nothing like that. This is why he put names on their backs and, of
course, the big joke that year was that the "z" for Ted Kluszewski was put
on backwards. I would suggest that it was not by mistake, ho ho...

tebman
03-03-2004, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
The following is from a 20001 Cubune interview with Mary-Frances Veeck:

I didn't think it was '59 because I didn't remember seeing
the names in the pictures of the World Series games. But
if anyone would know, it would be Mary Frances!

Really a remarkable lady in her own right. She and Bill
genuinely worked as a team when they ran the clubs that
Bill operated over the years.

It's funny how obvious the names-on-jerseys seems now,
and how much harumphing there was then against Veeck.
He also saw free agency as inevitable and tried to convince
the owners to deal with it years before the Messersmith
decision. Ironic that it was because of the economics of
free agency that Veeck couldn't hold on to the Sox after 1979.

- tebman

Clembasbal
03-03-2004, 02:34 PM
I am more than positive that you are thinking about the Scrubs when you say that the names on the uniform didn't come until the mid 1990's. Because the Sox had it way before that, and the Cubs were one of the last teams to do it.

chisoxjk
03-03-2004, 02:38 PM
Mid/Late 90's sounds about right to me. I picked up a home jersey at the garage sale
with no name on the back. I want to say it was before the 96 season, but I could be off by a year.

DrCrawdad
03-03-2004, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by tebman
I didn't think it was '59 because I didn't remember seeing
the names in the pictures of the World Series games. But
if anyone would know, it would be Mary Frances!

Really a remarkable lady in her own right. She and Bill
genuinely worked as a team when they ran the clubs that
Bill operated over the years.

It's funny how obvious the names-on-jerseys seems now,
and how much harumphing there was then against Veeck.
He also saw free agency as inevitable and tried to convince
the owners to deal with it years before the Messersmith
decision. Ironic that it was because of the economics of
free agency that Veeck couldn't hold on to the Sox after 1979.

- tebman

Mrs. Veeck could very easily be wrong on the specifics of the date they started the names on the uniforms.

If you're interested in the whole interview with Mrs. Veeck, you can find it posted here. (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=B8B461D2.24B23%25dcrosby101%40hotmail. com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain)

dickallen15
03-03-2004, 04:48 PM
When the White Sox went to their current style of uniform, the home whites did not have a name on them. They put the names on the back of the home whites in 1997.

Lip Man 1
03-03-2004, 05:41 PM
The 1959 White Sox DID NOT have names on the back. That practice was started in 1960.

Lip

Grobber33
03-03-2004, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
The 1959 White Sox DID NOT have names on the back. That practice was started in 1960.

Lip


Lip is exactly correct!! The Sox were the first team to do it,and the Cardinals were the second.

Brian26
03-03-2004, 05:54 PM
To the original poster, Blackjack:

Just checked some old baseball cards:

The Sox did not have names on the back of their home white pinstripe uniforms in 1996. They DID have names on the back for the '97 season though.

Hope that helps!

blackjack29
03-04-2004, 08:03 AM
Thanks a lot!

Brian26
03-05-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by blackjack29
Thanks a lot!

No problem!

Just curious- Are you getting a jersey from that era and wondering if the name should be on the back? Hope it's not the Tony Phillips jersey :D:

DannyCaterFan
03-05-2004, 11:31 AM
The Sox originally put the names on the back of uniforms in the early 60's.

Brian26
03-05-2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by DannyCaterFan
The Sox originally put the names on the back of uniforms in the early 60's.

Correct. Blackjack was asking about the current uniforms that they started wearing in September of 1990. Originally there were no names on the back. They decided to put names on the back of the home white uniforms for the 1997 season.

blackjack29
03-05-2004, 12:35 PM
I was going to get my black third jersey and white home jersey letterd with Jack Mcdowell on one and Robin Ventura on the other. I couldn't remember if Blackjack was around when they had names on the back or not, but I do know Robin's last year was "98. Thanks for letting me know.