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SEALgep
02-27-2004, 12:08 PM
Cubs and Kerry Wood agree to 3 year deal. Details aren't posted yet.

munchman33
02-27-2004, 12:10 PM
Here's hoping for a torn labrum. :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

SEALgep
02-27-2004, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
Here's hoping for a torn labrum. :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: I was thinking more of a back injury.

Brian26
02-27-2004, 12:12 PM
I guarantee he misses at least 4 months this season.

Baby Fisk
02-27-2004, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
I guarantee he misses at least 4 months this season.
Correct-a-mundo!

KingXerxes
02-27-2004, 12:14 PM
This is what successful teams do - they take risks and maintain their fan favorites.

munchman33 - Lot of class there.

munchman33
02-27-2004, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I was thinking more of a back injury.

Nah, labrum's more permanent.

Jerko
02-27-2004, 12:24 PM
:b&b





Huh huh, huh huh, he said "wood extended".

DrCrawdad
02-27-2004, 12:25 PM
Bruce LeVine-Line has been reporting that Carrie would be signing an extension in the next day or two for the past two months.

sas1974
02-27-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by KingXerxes
This is what successful teams do - they take risks and maintain their fan favorites.

I have to admit that I am a bit envious that they went and did this. This is the same thing we should have already done with Maggs.

SoxxoS
02-27-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Bruce LeVine-Line has been reporting that Carrie would be signing an extension in the next day or two for the past two months.

Hey, it's got to happen eventually...He figures he might as well report it early and say it everyday...so he can say he called it.

SoxxoS
02-27-2004, 12:31 PM
Carrie will miss at least 2 months of the season with elbow soreness. Call me Miss Cleo. I am not HOPING for it, but I just think it will happen. Their pitching staff is going to have some injury issues with Dusty managing them. Their arms will fall off before he takes them out.

munchman33
02-27-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by KingXerxes
This is what successful teams do - they take risks and maintain their fan favorites.

munchman33 - Lot of class there.

This is a guy with numerous injuries in his history. The Cubs have the money to risk giving him an extension.

If the sox signed someone like that long term, I'd be complaining.

Kittle
02-27-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
:b&b





Huh huh, huh huh, he said "wood extended".

Perhaps Kerry has been indulging in Viagra or Cialis?

Rex Hudler
02-27-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
This is a guy with numerous injuries in his history. The Cubs have the money to risk giving him an extension.

If the sox signed someone like that long term, I'd be complaining.

Pardon my ignorance here, but has he had more than one injury?

SEALgep
02-27-2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Rex Hudler
Pardon my ignorance here, but has he had more than one injury? He's had Tommy John, and I believe he has had some back issues as well.

habibharu
02-27-2004, 01:24 PM
whooooooooooooooooooooo cares!

wdelaney72
02-27-2004, 01:34 PM
Kerry Wood is a decent pitcher. But he's "OVER - RATED. ! ! !!!" He's never won more than 14 games in a season.

Not even close to being worth his price tag.

Agreed, he'll get hurt this season.

longshot7
02-27-2004, 01:43 PM
he's a career .500 pitcher - why are Cubs fans so excited? idiots....

TaylorStSox
02-27-2004, 01:48 PM
If he ever learns how to pitch, he'll be unstoppable. Until that happens, he's no more than a guy with great stuff.

Vsahajpal
02-27-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by longshot7
he's a career .500 pitcher - why are Cubs fans so excited? idiots....

You mean .600, right?

gdanne1
02-27-2004, 02:09 PM
Looks like Hendry got Wood to take 3 million less then he would've been paid this year.

Link (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=1745942)

KingXerxes
02-27-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
This is a guy with numerous injuries in his history. The Cubs have the money to risk giving him an extension.

If the sox signed someone like that long term, I'd be complaining.

I believe your quote was:

"Here's hoping for a torn labrum."

To me that means you are hoping that the guy suffers an injury regardless of his propensity for it, or the likelihood of its occurence. You weren't predicting - you were hoping. My definition of sportmanship (a term somewhat foreign to a lot of people these days) does not include this attribute.

SEALgep
02-27-2004, 02:35 PM
Terms 3 years $32.5 million.

DrCrawdad
02-27-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Terms 3 years $32.5 million.

Bruce LeVine-Line will be as giddy as a school girl.

TaylorStSox
02-27-2004, 02:47 PM
Wow. They overpaid. I thought you paid MLB players based on their results and not potential.

KingXerxes
02-27-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
Wow. They overpaid. I thought you paid MLB players based on their results and not potential.

I look at it just the opposite. You pay based upon potential. There is risk certainly, but the Cubs seem willing to take it. Prior is a perfect example of stepping up and paying someone based upon potential alone.

gdanne1
02-27-2004, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
Wow. They overpaid. I thought you paid MLB players based on their results and not potential.

A lot of people thought the Cubs overpaid when they were paying him 9.75 mil for this year. Now the Cubs are paying him 7 mil this year and 8.5 next.

I really don't see this as overpaying if the are only giving him a 1 million dollar raise instead of close to 4 mil.

MRKARNO
02-27-2004, 07:50 PM
If you look at every single stat besides Wins and Losses, you will see that he is an elite pitcher. 266 K's count for something and an ERA of 3.2 also counts for something.

That being said, he is a huge injury risk as he has recurring back problems, has had tommy john surgery and any pitcher pitching for Baker has a higher propensity for injury.

santo=dorf
02-27-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
If you look at every single stat besides Wins and Losses, you will see that he is an elite pitcher. 266 K's count for something and an ERA of 3.2 also counts for something.


So elite pitchers walk 100 batters and hit 20 a year?

SoxFan76
02-27-2004, 08:23 PM
Wood is overated. The ace of the "Best Pitching Staff in Baseball" has to win more than 14 games. And that was his BEST year! To me K's don't mean a lot. A strikeout requires minimum 3 pitches, when you can throw 1 pitch and have a guy ground out/fly out. That's always been my philosophy.

LittleBears Suck
02-27-2004, 08:41 PM
According to baseballreference.com, who is the most similar pitcher to Wood through age 26?

http://www.geocities.com/thebaseballgeek/mcdowell.jpg

StillMissOzzie
02-28-2004, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by LittleBears Suck
According to baseballreference.com, who is the most similar pitcher to Wood through age 26?

http://www.geocities.com/thebaseballgeek/mcdowell.jpg

I'd have to guess Nolan Ryan. Lots of K's, great stuff, mediocre record.

SMO
:gulp:

munchman33
02-28-2004, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by KingXerxes
I believe your quote was:

"Here's hoping for a torn labrum."

To me that means you are hoping that the guy suffers an injury regardless of his propensity for it, or the likelihood of its occurence. You weren't predicting - you were hoping.

Can't it be both. :cool:

SSN721
02-28-2004, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by munchman33
Can't it be both. :cool:

By both do you mean hoping for and predicting an injury on Wood? I hate the Cubs too but would still never hope for injury on any of their players, or any player on any team for that matter. I think that is just plain wrong.

ChiSox65
02-28-2004, 10:57 AM
I hate to say it but I think the scrubbies got a deal on this one.
3 yrs around 30some million? Hard to believe this guy has never won more than 14. I think he will this year.

SoxEd
02-28-2004, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by ChiSox65
I hate to say it but I think the scrubbies got a deal on this one.
3 yrs around 30some million? Hard to believe this guy has never won more than 14. I think he will this year.

But it's a sound investment if the fans keep buying Season Tickets in droves - and if he does get injured, there's always the opportunity for a big gala 'Wood-returns-to-fitness' game.

And extending his contract, as he's a big favourite of the fans', is another way to make the Cubs franchise look like they treat the fans better than the Sox franchise treats us.

munchman33
02-28-2004, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by SoxEd
But it's a sound investment if the fans keep buying Season Tickets in droves - and if he does get injured, there's always the opportunity for a big gala 'Wood-returns-to-fitness' game.

And extending his contract, as he's a big favourite of the fans', is another way to make the Cubs franchise look like they treat the fans better than the Sox franchise treats us.

Yes, fans come out when Wood pitches. And they come out in droves. But if you think fans come out in droves for any of our players, including Maggs, you're kidding yourself.

SoxEd
02-28-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
Yes, fans come out when Wood pitches. And they come out in droves. But if you think fans come out in droves for any of our players, including Maggs, you're kidding yourself.

Yeah, that's my point - the Cub management can point to this contract extension as one of the 'many ways' they protect their best players and look after the fans' best interests (while hoping that no-one remembers the Scalping Agency they have and the concsistently losing teams they've fielded since '08), whereas Sox management are happy to let the Press give out the impression that they dislike Thomas and aren't interested in re-signing Maggs.

And Cubs fans will fall for the PR/marketing and buy Season Tickets in droves, while we sit here and curse our 'parsimonius' management and their negligible PR skills/disdain for their fan-base. So, although Wodd's new contract has a big $ value, their marketing team will be able to use it to get even more $ out of the Cubs' fanbase/advertising placements.


Somebody's already posted that the Sox' PR/Marketing team is rated as the worst in MLB - that's inexcusable in a city the size of Chicago, and you'd think the owners' group would be prepared to invest more in Marketing the Team, if not in more Player Salary, as even Accounants will recognise the desirability of a decent Marketing strategy to aid your bottom line.

doublem23
02-28-2004, 04:50 PM
Prior's gone.