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MRKARNO
02-15-2004, 09:01 PM
Just to see how high of a level everyone thinks the competition will be...

White Sox 91-71
Royals 87-75
Twins 86-76
Indians 78-84
Tigers 63-99

doctor30th
02-15-2004, 09:05 PM
White Sox 89-73
Twins 86-76
Royals 83-79
Tigers 70-92
Indians 65-97
Ditka 162-0

Ditka wins the division.

jeremyb1
02-15-2004, 09:25 PM
White Sox 88-74
Twins 87-75
Royals 85-77
Indians 76-86
Tigers 66-96

hillbilly
02-15-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by doctor30th
White Sox 89-73
Twins 86-76
Royals 83-79
Tigers 70-92
Indians 65-97
Ditka 162-0

Ditka wins the division.

That makes a bakers dozen. I don't see the twins being over .500 to be honest. Am i wrong or isn't the metrodome going to grass this year. I think i heard that it was somewhere. If it is, they wont be as fast and guzman, rivas, and all those other punks that can barely hit will be even worse.

Dub25
02-15-2004, 09:40 PM
I don't like to pick the sox due to fear of putting a jinx on the team but I don't think the Royals or Twins will be good enough so I say...

Tigers 130-32 (Jason Johnson wins Cy Young and we all bitch about we should've got him) Sox 90-72
Royals 82-80
Twins 81-81
Indians 0-162 (Anybody else hate Cleveland as much as I do?)

MRKARNO
02-15-2004, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by hillbilly
That makes a bakers dozen. I don't see the twins being over .500 to be honest. Am i wrong or isn't the metrodome going to grass this year. I think i heard that it was somewhere. If it is, they wont be as fast and guzman, rivas, and all those other punks that can barely hit will be even worse.

The surface is being changed to a new type of artificial surface that is much more like grass.

munchman33
02-16-2004, 09:05 AM
Sox 77 - 85
Royals 75 - 87
Twins 72 - 90
Indians 70 - 92
Tigers 62 - 100

SEALgep
02-16-2004, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by munchman33
Sox 77 - 85
Royals 75 - 87
Twins 72 - 90
Indians 70 - 92
Tigers 62 - 100 Lol, if it went down that way, that would suck. I'd still take it though if we won the division.

Palehose13
02-16-2004, 09:09 AM
Sox 88-74
Royals 85-77
Twins 81-81
Indians 78-84
Tigers 67-95

thecell
02-16-2004, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by doctor30th
Ditka wins the division.

But what if one of the teams was made up of Ditkas?

Frater Perdurabo
02-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Sox: 83-79
Twins: 81-81
Royals: 81-81
Indians: 70-92
Tigers: 67-95

doublem23
02-16-2004, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by thecell
But what if one of the teams was made up of Ditkas?

That's impossible... The bench would at least have to have a mini-Dikta or two.

Anyways...

1) Royals 90-72
2) Sox 87-75
3) Twins 79-83
4) Indians 68-94
5) Tigers 60-102

fhqwhgads
02-16-2004, 10:11 AM
I just don't see the Royals getting past their starting pitching problems...

Twins 91-71
Sox 85-77
Royals 85-77
Indians 78-84
Tigers 69-93

whitesoxwilkes
02-16-2004, 10:27 AM
Sox 88-74
Twins 85-77
Royals 83-79
Tribe 72-90
Tigers 68-94

A. Cavatica
02-16-2004, 10:58 AM
Twins 83-79
Royals 78-84
Sox 77-85
Indians 75-87
Tigers 73-89

Palehose13
02-16-2004, 10:58 AM
I find it a little uplifting that even though most people are negative on this board, many at least think that the Sox will win the division. :smile:

kittle42
02-16-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Twins 83-79
Royals 78-84
Sox 77-85
Indians 75-87
Tigers 73-89

Switch the Royals and the Twins and I am with you on this one. How anyone has the Sox in first and/or above .500 is baffling.

kittle42
02-16-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Palehose13
I find it a little uplifting that even though most people are negative on this board, many at least think that the Sox will win the division. :smile:

Not me.

jeremyb1
02-16-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by hillbilly
That makes a bakers dozen. I don't see the twins being over .500 to be honest. Am i wrong or isn't the metrodome going to grass this year. I think i heard that it was somewhere. If it is, they wont be as fast and guzman, rivas, and all those other punks that can barely hit will be even worse.

I think the big plus the Twins have is that some of their better young talent is finally in a place to succeed. Cuddeyer/Restovich have the potential to be studs and make major contributions this season, Santanna should be in the rotation for a full season, Rincon pitched well last season, and Mauer may be able to replace Pierzynski's production if he's lucky.

MRKARNO
02-16-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
Switch the Royals and the Twins and I am with you on this one. How anyone has the Sox in first and/or above .500 is baffling.

I think that anyone who thinks this team can't win 81 games is crazy. That just shows you the differing opinions that you'll find here

Tekijawa
02-16-2004, 03:54 PM
White Sox 79-83
Royals 77-85
Indians 76-86
twins 75-87
Tigers 60-102

KingXerxes
02-16-2004, 04:05 PM
White Sox 87 - 75
Indians 80 - 82
Royals 72 - 90
Twins 70 - 92
Tigers 68 - 94

or something to that effect.

A. Cavatica
02-16-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I think that anyone who thinks this team can't win 81 games is crazy.

Take a team that's been close to .500 for the last 3 seasons, subtract talent without replacing it, and add a manager who's never managed at any level, and that's what you get.

The Sox will be below .500 against the east, the west, and the NL. The only way they reach .500 is by cleaning up against the central -- and I don't think they're appreciably better than Minnesota or KC.

KingXerxes
02-16-2004, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Take a team that's been close to .500 for the last 3 seasons, subtract talent without replacing it, and add a manager who's never managed at any level, and that's what you get.

The Sox will be below .500 against the east, the west, and the NL. The only way they reach .500 is by cleaning up against the central -- and I don't think they're appreciably better than Minnesota or KC.

If Konerko has a good year (it's at least a possibility) and Koch bounces back, they will be appreciably better than everyone else in the Central. I'm banking on these two coming back in a big way.

jeremyb1
02-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Take a team that's been close to .500 for the last 3 seasons, subtract talent without replacing it, and add a manager who's never managed at any level, and that's what you get.

The Sox will be below .500 against the east, the west, and the NL. The only way they reach .500 is by cleaning up against the central -- and I don't think they're appreciably better than Minnesota or KC.

With that logic we were above average in '01 and '02 and we added a great deal of talent last season so we should have won over 100 games, right? Well we didn't. Its important to note that 5 games over .500 is not "close to .500". Five games is a lot. Colon's loss probably only costs us 3 games and Gordons 2-3. That means for us to finish below .500, Konerko and Koch have to perform just as poorly as last season, we have to have worse luck (we should've won 6 more games last season based on our pathagorean record), and Guillen has to be as poor or worse than Manuel who by most accounts was horrific.

A. Cavatica
02-16-2004, 05:18 PM
Hey, predictions are predictions. I don't call people who think the Sox will win 91 games crazy. I gave my reasoning. Please don't call me crazy for predicting 77.

munchman33
02-16-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by A. Cavatica
Take a team that's been close to .500 for the last 3 seasons, subtract talent without replacing it, and add a manager who's never managed at any level, and that's what you get.

The Sox will be below .500 against the east, the west, and the NL. The only way they reach .500 is by cleaning up against the central -- and I don't think they're appreciably better than Minnesota or KC.

You downplay the guys we have replacing the talent. Rowand and Harris are huge question marks, yes, but they are also very talented. They've definately got more tools than the guys they're replacing. As for the rotation, we four good starters last year, this year we have three. But our number five spot was horrible last year. I think the guys we have competing for four and five can make up at least some of the production.

Also, don't forget how much this team has underachieved. That's the primary reason the Sox hired Ozzie.

-Munchie

patbooyah
02-16-2004, 06:02 PM
munchman is right. jerry absolutely sucked. i have faith in ozzie- its become very obvious that the right manager actually can make a difference what with the cubs, the royals and the marlins. anything besides jerry will be a plus.

Foulke You
02-16-2004, 07:20 PM
White Sox 84W-78L (1 game playoff-Sox Win)
Twins 84W-78L (1 game playoff-Sox Win)
Royals 81W-81L
Indians 72W-90L
Tigers 61W-101L (Not even I-Rod, Rondell, and Vina will save the Kitties from 100 losses...but they will be slightly better)

MRKARNO
02-16-2004, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You
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Tigers 61W-101L (Not even I-Rod, Rondell, and Vina will save the Kitties from 100 losses...but they will be slightly better)

An 18 game improvement is pretty good in my book

A. Cavatica
02-16-2004, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
You downplay the guys we have replacing the talent. Rowand and Harris are huge question marks, yes, but they are also very talented. They've definately got more tools than the guys they're replacing. As for the rotation, we four good starters last year, this year we have three. But our number five spot was horrible last year. I think the guys we have competing for four and five can make up at least some of the production.

Also, don't forget how much this team has underachieved. That's the primary reason the Sox hired Ozzie.

I like Rowand BETTER than Everett, and have said so repeatedly, so there goes your argument. But even I concede that Rowand should be the fourth outfielder, not the starting CF. He is definitely not "very talented".

Nor am I crying over the loss of Robbie Alomar, because he simply isn't very good any more, though I think Harris will be AT BEST adequate. He is fast, but his other talents are in question. I would much rather go into the season with Tony G as my starting second baseman.

I am disgusted with the idea of Schoeneweis replacing Colon in the rotation; Colon was an A- and Schoeneweis is a D. And Politte and Takatsu are big steps down from Gordon and Sullivan.

Yes, the team underachieved under Manuel, and I wanted him out. But Ozzie is about the worst replacement the Sox could have found; his hiring was driven by (1) cost, and (2) pandering to the casual fan. It was not driven by managerial skills. He's in way, WAY over his head.

Sorry, but the pattern here is to replace the strong links with weak ones. to replace weak links with weaker ones, and to leave the gaping holes unfilled.

santo=dorf
02-16-2004, 07:58 PM
White Sox: 86-76
Royals: 82-80
Twins: 78-84
Indians: 71-91
Tigers: 55-107

Sox will beat the teams the should've beaten last year (D-Rays, Tigers, Indians, and Rangers.)

ma-gaga
02-17-2004, 12:42 AM
Twins 87-75
Sox 85-77
Royals 84-78
Indians 78-84
Tigers 68-94

I just think that the Twins are the most balanced team in the division. The Sox don't have the rounded offense, and the Royals don't have the starting pitching. Neither one has a lot of depth. Yes, I think the Tigers will improve 25+ games! I think the Indians are still a year away. ... ugh, I hope they are a year away. Their pitching is starting to show up, and if their hitters develop at once, they are a 15-3 hot start from hanging around until August.

:gulp:

StillMissOzzie
02-17-2004, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
I find it a little uplifting that even though most people are negative on this board, many at least think that the Sox will win the division. :smile:

Me either, barring some unexpected news:

KC 88-74
Sox 86-76
Minn 85-77
Clev 78-84
Det 70-92

SMO
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SSN721
02-17-2004, 05:54 AM
White Sox: 90-72
Twins: 84-78
Royals: 82-80
Indians: 75-87
Tigers: 65-97

I just dont see the Royals much better or maybe worse because they did nothing to address their rotation. I think the Twins are a notch or two below the Sox this year with their losses. And I am just optimistic about the years some of the players on our team will have.