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SEALgep
02-13-2004, 12:21 PM
Robert Person ruptured a tendon and is out for the season- source AM 1000.

Konerko05
02-13-2004, 12:23 PM
Well that didn't take long.

soltrain21
02-13-2004, 12:26 PM
Well thats no good. We are probably going to get another pitcher for sure now...

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by soltrain21
Well thats no good. We are probably going to get another pitcher for sure now... Well he was a shot to win the fifth spot, but it is just as well, as we can give one of our minor leaguers a shot. There's Jason Grilli as well.

SoxxoS
02-13-2004, 12:54 PM
And this season is off to a fantastic start.

poorme
02-13-2004, 12:56 PM
Unfortunate for him, but a blessing for the Sox.

boog_alou
02-13-2004, 01:01 PM
I really don't think he had much of a shot at making the rotation anyway. This isn't much of a loss.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by boog_alou
I really don't think he had much of a shot at making the rotation anyway. This isn't much of a loss. That's true, he was a long shot, and had little invested in him.

sas1974
02-13-2004, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Robert Person ruptured a tendon and is out for the season- source AM 1000.

I think I'd rather it happen now than in June(IF he would have been contributing). At least this removes him from the equation and they can devote time to someone else.

lowesox
02-13-2004, 01:28 PM
Do we have to pay him still?

duke of dorwood
02-13-2004, 01:32 PM
:nardi

Blame this one on me why dont you

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
Do we have to pay him still? I think we owe him this year, but it was a minor league deal. Don't worry, if we do it isn't much. They knew this was a possibility. He told them he was healthy, but they were somewaht skeptical about it. They signed him hoping it would pan out, but definitely not relying on it to.

pudge
02-13-2004, 01:43 PM
"Disappointing" is not how I'd label that piece of news... (or "dissapointing", depending on which school you come from...)

lowesox
02-13-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I think we owe him this year, but it was a minor league deal. Don't worry, if we do it isn't much. They knew this was a possibility. He told them he was healthy, but they were somewaht skeptical about it. They signed him hoping it would pan out, but definitely not relying on it to.

I'm just wondering if it's a coincidence that he discovered this injury after signing a deal.

poorme
02-13-2004, 01:47 PM
$500,000 down the toilet here, $750,000 there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

Palehose13
02-13-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
I think I'd rather it happen now than in June(IF he would have been contributing). At least this removes him from the equation and they can devote time to someone else.
Excellent point

CubKilla
02-13-2004, 02:03 PM
You get what you pay for

CubKilla
02-13-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by soltrain21
Well thats no good. We are probably going to get another pitcher for sure now...

Maddux is a lock now

Sell Jerry Sell!
02-13-2004, 02:23 PM
:angry: sas1974 is a huge cubs fan!!

sas1974
02-13-2004, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Sell Jerry Sell!
:angry: sas1974 is a huge cubs fan!!

Hey now....No nasty rumors. There are enough of those on this board. Looks like Sell Jerry Sell! has been doing too much of this -->> :gulp:

sas1974
02-13-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by poorme
$500,000 down the toilet here, $750,000 there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

Now they are definitely not going to sign Maggs! :D:

kittle42
02-13-2004, 02:33 PM
This is the biggest non-story since the signing of Robert Person.

beckett21
02-13-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Robert Person ruptured a tendon and is out for the season- source AM 1000.

So I guess he will not be the next Esteban Loaiza?

I don't even know why we would have signed that guy for a nickel. He has James Andrews on speed dial. I'll be happy to blow my arm out for half of whatever we gave that bum.

soxfan26
02-13-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
This is the biggest non-story since the signing of Robert Person.

Just another episode in the Sox sienfeld esque offseason about nothing.

:KW
"Nothing?"

:reinsy
"That's right, Nothing!"

TheDybber
02-13-2004, 02:54 PM
Well, looks like the 2004 reclamation project just got reclaimed. Robert Person is on the shelf.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20040213&content_id=636971&vkey=spt2004news&fext=.jsp

ScottyTheSoxFan
02-13-2004, 03:05 PM
GREAT SIGNING KENNY!!!!!!!!!

atleast it was just a minor league deal. it really cant be a surprise to anybody that he is hurt.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by pudge
"Disappointing" is not how I'd label that piece of news... (or "dissapointing", depending on which school you come from...) I'm not sure what school teaches the other way, but disappointing is the correct spelling.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
This is the biggest non-story since the signing of Robert Person. Lol, that was pretty funny.

RichFitztightly
02-13-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by poorme
$500,000 down the toilet here, $750,000 there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

You gotta put something like this into perspective. Every team expects some sort of injuries that'll eat salaries. That's why they have insurance. If you contrast this to the millions Drew Henson ate up from New York then the Sox got off easy.

StillMissOzzie
02-13-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by RichFitztightly
You gotta put something like this into perspective. Every team expects some sort of injuries that'll eat salaries. That's why they have insurance. If you contrast this to the millions Drew Henson ate up from New York then the Sox got off easy.

But I think that most teams only insure their big risks - the Albert Belles and Mo Vaughns of the world, not the guys making little more than the MLB minimum wage. I suspect that if they have to pay him, the Sox are just going to eat this one. But, as posted by others, this was a low rent gamble.

SMO

poorme
02-13-2004, 04:33 PM
It was a waste of $500,000 even if he didn't get hurt. Add Darensbourg's money and maybe that's the difference in keeping Tony G.

dickallen15
02-13-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by poorme
$500,000 down the toilet here, $750,000 there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.


Person signed a non guaranteed minor league contract. It will cost the White Sox nothing. There may be a minimal amount paid, but probably less than 20,000.

poorme
02-13-2004, 04:39 PM
good.

steff
02-13-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by lowesox
Do we have to pay him still?

I don't think so. I believe it was a non-guaranteed contract. And if it wasn't perhaps insurance would cover this..? Anyone else know?

cheeses_h_rice
02-13-2004, 04:53 PM
OK, I'm an idiot or I just haven't been paying attention. Who's Robert Person?

pudge
02-13-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I'm not sure what school teaches the other way, but disappointing is the correct spelling.

Exactly, bud, check the title of your thread.

:)

steff
02-13-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by pudge
Exactly, bud, check the title of your thread.

:)


Ohhh.. snap. :D:


SEAL, I hope you laughed cause that was hysterical!!

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by pudge
Exactly, bud, check the title of your thread.

:) I got it, that's why I said it, I couldn't correct it.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by steff
Ohhh.. snap. :D:


SEAL, I hope you laughed cause that was hysterical!! I serve to please. :D:

pudge
02-13-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by SEALgep
I got it, that's why I said it, I couldn't correct it.

It's driving me nuts, where's voodoo when we need him?

pearso66
02-13-2004, 05:08 PM
It wasn't a bad signing. he was seeing if person could be back to his old self, and he ended up getting hurt. It was a minor league contract, so we didn't lose out much, and we weren't really predicting him to be Loaiza, we took a chance and it didnt pan out, big deal.

steff
02-13-2004, 05:09 PM
BTW.. if his contract was not guaranteed - and I can't find where it was - the Sox own him exactly $0.00.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by steff
BTW.. if his contract was not guaranteed - and I can't find where it was - the Sox own him exactly $0.00. No harm no foul, that's for clearing that up Steff.

RichFitztightly
02-13-2004, 05:20 PM
It says on whitesox.com that it was an achilles tendon rupture. I was under the impression that it was a shoulder or pitching related injury. Seems like it was a freak accident.

steff
02-13-2004, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by dickallen15
Person signed a non guaranteed minor league contract. It will cost the White Sox nothing. There may be a minimal amount paid, but probably less than 20,000.



Sorry DA.. didn't see this post previously.

SoxFan76
02-13-2004, 05:39 PM
No kidding. When he was signed, they didn't say "Well he's going to get injured, but lets sign him anyways." Although he is injury prone, you can't just assume he's going to get injured this year.

edit, didnt realize theres another person thread. sorry

SoxRulecubsdrool
02-13-2004, 07:18 PM
Fantastic new! Now that there is room, we can finally sign Maddux!

:gulp:

cbrownson13
02-13-2004, 10:27 PM
From rotoworld.com...

Robert Person suffered a ruptured Achilles' tendon during a workout last week and is out for the season.
No Esteban Loaiza here. Person will undergo surgery next week. His elimination from the competition for a rotation spot in Chicago makes Dan Wright and Jon Rauch better sleepers.

SEALgep
02-13-2004, 10:30 PM
It really will go down to who shows more promise in ST, but I still think Jason Grilli is going to come out on top. If not in the rotation, he could still be a solid pen guy, if there is room.

DSpivack
02-14-2004, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by SEALgep
It really will go down to who shows more promise in ST, but I still think Jason Grilli is going to come out on top. If not in the rotation, he could still be a solid pen guy, if there is room.

Even if Jason Grilli is decent, we still need another starter.

doublem23
02-14-2004, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by DSpivack
Even if Jason Grilli is decent, we still need another starter.

Man that's depressing.

SoxxoS
02-14-2004, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by doublem23
Man that's depressing.

Not if you like young players and excitement!

Maybe that should be teal... :smile:

gosox41
02-14-2004, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by SEALgep
Robert Person ruptured a tendon and is out for the season- source AM 1000.

I want to see what Rauch can do anyway. He's finally turing the corner healthy wise and has been in the minors for 5 years. He's still ranked pretty high as a prospect. I'm all for making it his job to lose.

Wright should be in the bullpen where he pitches a lot better.
Cotts isn't ready yet. If he decreases his walk in the minors I'm all for bringing him up. Honel needs more time.

Bob

SEALgep
02-14-2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
I want to see what Rauch can do anyway. He's finally turing the corner healthy wise and has been in the minors for 5 years. He's still ranked pretty high as a prospect. I'm all for making it his job to lose.

Wright should be in the bullpen where he pitches a lot better.
Cotts isn't ready yet. If he decreases his walk in the minors I'm all for bringing him up. Honel needs more time.

Bob I agree with that for the most part. The only thing I would state is that Rauch should earn the job. Cotts needs another year I think, Winter Ball he did okay, but not too good. Honel needs more time, and Wright I think will bounce back from his injury and pitch better with more consistency (he did better towards the end of the season when his injury was less of a concern.) Wit that said about Wright, I would still like him in the long relief role. I think it may come down to Rauch and Grilli battling. Grilli has good stuff, and can be a real effective pitcher. He was injured when he first came up a couple years ago, but it is finally healthy. He was San Francisco's first pick, 4th overall in the 1997 amateur draft. We'll have to see.

SEALgep
02-14-2004, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by DSpivack
Even if Jason Grilli is decent, we still need another starter. Scott S. is already penciled in for the 4th spot. Another pitcher can overtake that spot if he messes up and someone else shines well, but otherwise it's his job. With that said, what's wrong with having a younger guy in the fifth spot. Most teams do that to better prepare them for earlier spots in the rotation. I'm just saying, if we do not make a trade, and Grilli (or Rauch for that matter) show they can take the fifth spot, I don't see a problem with it. We have other options in the system if someone doesn't work out, but as of now, we can't just assume that will be the case.