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MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 05:54 PM
The career saves leader from Japan is now the closer for your Chicago White Sox! Breaking news!

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/7024838

He wasn't really interested in money, only the opportunity and with Koch as the closer, we had an open spot in the closers role

Jjav829
01-21-2004, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
The career saves leader from Japan is now the closer for your Chicago White Sox! Breaking news!

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/7024838

I just saw that. This is some big news. This is our biggest signing of the offseason. Wow. I don't really know what else to say. I'm kinda surprised. The Sox actually reaching out to other markets? I wonder how this will effect the Japanese market in Chicago.

I like the news. So where does this leave Koch? He was offered a closers job which I don't mind because I'd rather see Marte as a setup man anyway.

Anyone have anything on this guy? What's he throw?

pudge
01-21-2004, 05:59 PM
Wow this is wacky, and we guaranteed him a closer role.... VERY interesting... Looks like we're ready to dump Koch for a bag of balls.

I'll also add that we'll be lucky to get 1 strong season out of this guy. He's 34, which isn't exactly young, considering Kaz Sasaki basically lost it at 35. I'm worried we may have gotten this guy a little too late, but hey, it's worth a shot. Not to mention, can't hurt to get some press in Japan. Maybe ONE country will actually like the Sox more than the Cubs.

Palehose13
01-21-2004, 06:02 PM
This is kinda cool. "Mr. Zero" as in zero earned runs in the series, not as in "loser" like Botch.

beckett21
01-21-2004, 06:05 PM
Look, we already got a picture of him on the site!

:gascan

Maybe I shouldn't criticize this move, I know nothing about this guy. Reading the blurb, his credentials make him out to be the Japanese Mariano Rivera. But remember that in Japan, nobody wants to be a closer...that is more like a position of shame, saying you can't start. They have a different philosophy on closers over there.

So why is Politte here? Setup guy? I thought he was going to bump Kroch?

At least it now gives the appearance we are trying to do something positive. If he is as good as Kaz was, then that would be nice!

Hondo
01-21-2004, 06:06 PM
I like it.

It isn't groundbreaking, earth shattering but this is the sort of move to make my day.

Welcome aboard Mr. Zero!

misty60481
01-21-2004, 06:06 PM
I think the part about him not being worried about money caught JRs eye

OEO Magglio
01-21-2004, 06:06 PM
Awesome, finally some news that's actually excting.

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 06:06 PM
THIS IS FANTASTIC NEWS!

Hopefully Shingo will induce the many Chicago-area Japanese to attend Sox games. Frankly I don't know much about Shingo but if he's popular in Japan I can't help but think this will be a popular move with Chicago's Japanese.

http://asian-links.com/images/japanflag.jpg

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-21-2004, 06:08 PM
My dad just called me about this and I was like, "?????" I wonder if he'll be at SoxFest

tanko
01-21-2004, 06:09 PM
So why is Politte here? Setup guy? I thought he was going to bump Kroch?

Politte is awful

OEO Magglio
01-21-2004, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by tanko
So why is Politte here? Setup guy? I thought he was going to bump Kroch?

Politte is awful
I disagree about Politte, I don't think he is awful, but he was definitely brought here to be a setup man.

Jjav829
01-21-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by beckett21

So why is Politte here? Setup guy? I thought he was going to bump Kroch?

At least it now gives the appearance we are trying to do something positive. If he is as good as Kaz was, then that would be nice!

I don't think Politte was ever intended to be the closer. If anyone was going to bump Koch from the closers role, it would have been Marte. Politte is simply a 6th/7th inning type guy. I agree with you about this move. This could really help solidify our pen.

I wonder if KW has something lined up for Koch...

beckett21
01-21-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by tanko

Politte is awful

:gascan

Actually this was the picture of Politte. My bad. He is awful, I am puzzled why we bothered with him.

And I have to say that "Mr. Zero" is a pretty cool moniker for a closer--I hope he lives up to it! Welcome to Chicago!!

pudge
01-21-2004, 06:15 PM
Shingo's numbers are far from impressive, especially when compared to what Sasaki did in Japan... I can see why nobody guaranteed him a closer spot... let's just hope we get lucky... you can compare both players' Japan careers here....

Shingo: http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=310

Kaz: http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=393

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by beckett21

And I have to say that "Mr. Zero" is a pretty cool moniker for a closer--I hope he lives up to it!

Yeah, when he gives up zero runs in the MLB World Series en route to a White Sox victory in the next 3 years, he will definately live up to his nickname

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by pudge
Shingo's numbers are far from impressive, especially when compared to what Sasaki did in Japan... you can compare both players Japan careers here....

http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=310

I coulda sworn I saw 2 consecutive Sub-1.00 ERA seasons under Sasaki's name but nothing of the like under Takatsu's name

munchman33
01-21-2004, 06:18 PM
All of a sudden this signing makes our bullpen look enviable. We now have a real closer. Setting up from the right side, we bring Pollite or Koch. From the left side, we bring Marte and Wunsch. And if someone doesn't cut it in spring training, Santiago and Jackson are looking for a shot.

Hooray for Kenny!

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 06:18 PM
http://www.baywell.ne.jp/users/drlatham/baseball/yakult/images/pix/takatsu.jpg

So, does anyone know the correct pronounciation of SHINGO? I trying to imagine a chant of his name as he comes out of the bullpen, which of course would be possible if I knew how to pronounce his name.

Now I might just attend SoxFest.

And the next big announcement...

The signing of Greg Maddux.

chisoxmike
01-21-2004, 06:18 PM
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold up. We flipped out with Koch was signed last year, it looks to me like you guys are really pumped from this signing. I'm going to wait and see with this guy.

lowesox
01-21-2004, 06:21 PM
For the first time all offseason the white sox have done something I find.... exciting. I wonder how good he'll be. I noticed that his highest game total is 56. That has me worried a bit.

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold up. We flipped out with Koch was signed last year, it looks to me like you guys are really pumped from this signing. I'm going to wait and see with this guy.

Come on, we need some good news.

IIRC quite a few people were skeptical of the Koch trade.

beckett21
01-21-2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold up. We flipped out with Koch was signed last year, it looks to me like you guys are really pumped from this signing. I'm going to wait and see with this guy.

We can worry about that tomorrow. Let's revel in the moment! :)

doctor30th
01-21-2004, 06:24 PM
I read something that said he was a submarine pitcher like Byung-Hyun Kim.

Plus he's is 35 years old. I'll wait and see.

joecrede
01-21-2004, 06:25 PM
Story on how he worked out for teams last week. He's a sidearmer. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3961988/)

StepsInSC
01-21-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold up. We flipped out with Koch was signed last year, it looks to me like you guys are really pumped from this signing. I'm going to wait and see with this guy.

But cmon this is different. Up until this no one in Japan cared about, if they even knew of, the Chicago White Sox. Now every white sox game will be on the news so they can see how their career saves leader is doing. I dont know how it works, but there has to be some extra revenue that can be had from this...

I know he doesn't have the popularity of either Matsui, Ichiro, or even Shinjo, but this is worth the money for the PR side alone IMO.

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 06:30 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-040121soxtakatsu,1,3662341.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Contract is for 1 million and one year with a team option for 2005

chisoxmike
01-21-2004, 06:35 PM
I can't wait to start saying..."Awwww here comes Mr. Zero!" at games. Imagine the music they will play when he comes out! :?: :cool:

The White Sox desperatly needed a force in the bullpen, this LOOKS to be an answer. Now, with Marte, Waunsh, and (gulp) Politte and Koch, maybe we can hold some leads during games. :gulp:

beckett21
01-21-2004, 06:39 PM
:KW


"So you see, people, I have been in Japan for the past 3 months, which explains my total disregard for the welfare of this franchise. Please get off my case. This job is HARD!"

SoxOnTop
01-21-2004, 06:41 PM
I would expect him to be lights out for the first half of the year. It will take at least that long for him to get enough apearances for batters to prepare for him. Plus he's a side-armer and a sinkerballer. Since, the closer only comes in for 50-60 games, it will be some time before players start to see him 2-3 times.

I like this move.

tanko
01-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Wow 42 innings 42 hits allowed and 21 walks and 7 homers not dominating.Lots of HR's allowed for a sidearmer.Let's hope he has one of those herky jerky motions.

beckett21
01-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
I would expect him to be lights out for the first half of the year. It will take at least that long for him to get enough apearances for batters to prepare for him. Plus he's a side-armer and a sinkerballer. Since, the closer only comes in for 50-60 games, it will be some time before players start to see him 2-3 times.

I like this move.

That's a good point. It is really hard for batters to pick up the ball out of a submariner's delivery which is why BK Kim was so dominant when he started out. Pitchers have a decided advantage over batters when they first face each other. They eventually may figure him out, but hopefully it will be a sweet ride!

depy48
01-21-2004, 06:51 PM
i just like the idea that no one has faced his stuff yet, so its totally new. which means he'll be effective for at least a couple of months...
now we have to play a cool theme song when he comes into the game...
someone start thinking up "mr zero" chants..or something...

tanko
01-21-2004, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by depy48
i just like the idea that no one has faced his stuff yet, so its totally new. which means he'll be effective for at least a couple of months...
now we have to play a cool theme song when he comes into the game...
someone start thinking up "mr zero" chants..or something...


I agree I like this move someone new . I like it

depy48
01-21-2004, 06:54 PM
wouldnt it be cool, if he wore the #0 on his jersey?

seventytwo
01-21-2004, 06:54 PM
His theme song is an obvious choice.

"Saved by Zero"....by the Fixx (I believe?) Some euro-80s band that enjoyed some level of popularity here in the states for a year or two.

joecrede
01-21-2004, 06:55 PM
I wonder if this is a precursor to moving Marte into the rotation?

santo=dorf
01-21-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by joecrede
I wonder if this is a precursor to moving Marte into the rotation?

:?:

We need a lefty specialist out of the pen, Kelly doesn't pitch enough innings to take over that role.

Lip Man 1
01-21-2004, 07:00 PM
It's worth a shot, I mean considering all you've got is Koch and Marte as anybody with any lenghty experience what have you got to lose.

Only cost a million. However I'm concerned about his age, I mean if he was any good wouldn't he have come over a few years ago?

Perhaps someone can find out why he's remained in Japan. Perhaps it's by choice.

Anyway at least its a move.

Lip

joecrede
01-21-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by santo=dorf
:?:

We need a lefty specialist out of the pen, Kelly doesn't pitch enough innings to take over that role.

Marte is too good to be limited to lefty specialist. Schoenweiss has been a better reliever than starter in his career, he should be left in the pen.

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by chisoxmike
I can't wait to start saying..."Awwww here comes Mr. Zero!" at games. Imagine the music they will play when he comes out! :?: :cool:

The White Sox desperatly needed a force in the bullpen, this LOOKS to be an answer. Now, with Marte, Waunsh, and (gulp) Politte and Koch, maybe we can hold some leads during games. :gulp:


http://www.elviscostello.info/pic/78/780422.detroit/780422.detroit_1.jpg
"LESS THAN ZERO, HEY!"

munchman33
01-21-2004, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by seventytwo
His theme song is an obvious choice.

"Saved by Zero"....by the Fixx (I believe?) Some euro-80s band that enjoyed some level of popularity here in the states for a year or two.

What about "Zero" by the Smashing Pumpkins?

ScottyTheSoxFan
01-21-2004, 07:05 PM
It is gonna be real interesting when Ozzie goes out to talk to Shingo. I like the move from the teams outlook as well as the PR standpoint. "Mr. Zero" is a helluva nickname too.

StepsInSC
01-21-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1

Perhaps someone can find out why he's remained in Japan. Perhaps it's by choice.

Lip

Only a total guess on my part...but really until Ichiro's success its been a bitch for Japanese players to come to the US. They were ostricized, criticized, etc... I remember reading about how Nomo's family begged not to go and warned him how he would be seen as a traitor if he did.

Plus if you think owners are bad in this country...owners are 10x worse in Japan b/c the teams are really nothing except advertisements for the owners, who are typically large firms.

ScottyTheSoxFan
01-21-2004, 07:14 PM
Known as much for his toothy grin as for his pitching, the popular fireman earned 14 saves in 1997 while posting a 7-4 record and a 2.04 ERA.

info (http://www.baywell.ne.jp/users/drlatham/baseball/yakult/players/bullpen/takatsu.htm)


he might just scare the opponents with his "toothy grin!" i like shingo.

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by seventytwo
His theme song is an obvious choice.

"Saved by Zero"....by the Fixx (I believe?) Some euro-80s band that enjoyed some level of popularity here in the states for a year or two.

Great catch there pudgy SeventyTwo!

I just went to L******* and d/l it. Now I'll wait for the subpoena.

chisoxmike
01-21-2004, 07:24 PM
:KW"And the people at WSI thought I didn't care, Bow down to me!"

Daver
01-21-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Great catch there pudgy SeventyTwo!

I just went to L******* and d/l it. Now I'll wait for the subpoena.

Please don't bring these sites up,we do not need to be considered endorsing them in any way,shape,or form.

Thanx.

SEALgep
01-21-2004, 07:26 PM
This is good on several fronts. For the skeptics, you never know for sure, but the move makes sense. He took less money to be our closer instead of a setup man for more money somewhere else. That in of itself is admirable, and encourages me to believe he knows how to close. Anyway, no one has even said that this eliminates a closer controversy that we saw all of last year. It takes some pressure off Koch, so maybe a rebound year isn't as much of a stretch. As for a comment about Marte starting, it isn't that simple. It's a completely different style of pitching, and being good at one doesn't necessarily mean you will be at the other. He isn't a situational lefty, he's a good setup man no matter righty or lefty. I think we still need him there, regardless of Mr. Zero is lights out (which I hope he can be for the most part.)

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Daver
Please don't bring these sites up,we do not need to be considered endorsing them in any way,shape,or form.

Thanx.

Sorry. :?:

Foulke You
01-21-2004, 07:46 PM
I like the move. Finally, something I would consider close to a major move. Hangar, you didn't get Kaz but you did get an all-star from Japan. I bet the Japanese papers will cover the Sox better than the Chicago ones now. :D: Kudos KW, finally something to get a little excited about. :gulp: Don't stop here. There is someone else I'd like to see here...

anewman35
01-21-2004, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Daver
Please don't bring these sites up,we do not need to be considered endorsing them in any way,shape,or form.

Thanx.

I'd like to see the RIAA sue you because somebody mentioned a site on here...

Daver
01-21-2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
I'd like to see the RIAA sue you because somebody mentioned a site on here...

Exactly where in my post did you see any mention of that?


Do not put words in my mouth,I don't appreciate it.

doublem23
01-21-2004, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by beckett21
Look, we already got a picture of him on the site!

:gascan

Maybe I shouldn't criticize this move, I know nothing about this guy. Reading the blurb, his credentials make him out to be the Japanese Mariano Rivera. But remember that in Japan, nobody wants to be a closer...that is more like a position of shame, saying you can't start. They have a different philosophy on closers over there.

So why is Politte here? Setup guy? I thought he was going to bump Kroch?

At least it now gives the appearance we are trying to do something positive. If he is as good as Kaz was, then that would be nice!

Hey man, if he can be as good as Kazuhiro Sasaki, I'll be able to deal.

Jerry_Manuel
01-21-2004, 08:10 PM
Good move.

I wonder what nickname Hawk will give him?

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Good move.

I wonder what nickname Hawk will give him?

Well let's get hawk to say his name right first

CHISOXFAN13
01-21-2004, 08:19 PM
This guy has blown three saves in the last five seasons combined.

I love it!!

If he performs anywhere near to the way he did in Japan, we have the makings of a very solid bulppen.

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Good move.

I wonder what nickname Hawk will give him?

Remember when Harry Caray, whilst broadcasting for the Cubbies, called a Japanese pitcher an inappropriate name?

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-21-2004, 08:21 PM
Heh, Hideki Irabu? I was just about to post about that.

ondafarm
01-21-2004, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829
Anyone have anything on this guy? What's he throw?

I actually played against Shingo in the Japanese minors in 1991 when he split the season with the big league club and the minors. He threw a respectable fastball, was trying to bring a split finger pitch (which I've heard he since dropped) and a slurve. Batting lefty he hit me with the first pitch which the umpire said I didn't try to get out of the way, so he hit me with the next pitch too. He then tried a fastball away which I lined down the left field line for a double. He struck me out twice and then gave up a sac fly for an RBI. In the ninth, he hit me but tipped his cap so the umpire awarded me first base. In three of his four ABs he'd tried to sac bunt, whiffing once, suceeding once and having the lead runner throw out once. His other AB was a strikeout to end an inning and he was quite disgusted when I just handed him the ball, which he'd just missed with the bat.

gosox3072
01-21-2004, 08:34 PM
I like it! FINALLY we went out and did something. Its hard to get excited about a guy ive never heard of but hey if hes the saves leader in japan hes gotta be decent right? Hopefully he can come here and do the same. Anyone think this could have some effect on us trading koch and others to the Carmines for Williamson and others?

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I actually played against Shingo in the Japanese minors in 1991 when he split the season with the big league club and the minors. He threw a respectable fastball, was trying to bring a split finger pitch (which I've heard he since dropped) and a slurve. Batting lefty he hit me with the first pitch which the umpire said I didn't try to get out of the way, so he hit me with the next pitch too. He then tried a fastball away which I lined down the left field line for a double. He struck me out twice and then gave up a sac fly for an RBI. In the ninth, he hit me but tipped his cap so the umpire awarded me first base. In three of his four ABs he'd tried to sac bunt, whiffing once, suceeding once and having the lead runner throw out once. His other AB was a strikeout to end an inning and he was quite disgusted when I just handed him the ball, which he'd just missed with the bat.

Looking at his stats, his first two years were kinda rocky, but he appears to have settled down since then into a good if not great closer.

SEALgep
01-21-2004, 08:38 PM
I don't think it has any bearing of trading Koch because they probably would have done it if they could a long time ago just to free up payroll. Anyway, I think this helps Koch to rebound and pitch well with less pressure in the setup role. I think Koch will be okay, and if so, it will make the pen more solid.

depy48
01-21-2004, 08:53 PM
koch is a competitive guy, no doubt about that. maybe if actually feels like he's threatened (maret and gordon didnt count, because koch started the season as the closer) then he'll actually try, and bam back to the rolaids relief man koch

voodoochile
01-21-2004, 08:54 PM
It cannot make the bullpen worse and has the potential to really solidify it. On paper it looks like the Sox are going to need a deep pen this year. Heck it's $1M and the guy is trying to prove he belongs.

Long live Mr.0...

With a nickname like that you cannot go wrong...

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I actually played against Shingo in the Japanese minors in 1991 when he split the season with the big league club and the minors. He threw a respectable fastball, was trying to bring a split finger pitch (which I've heard he since dropped) and a slurve. Batting lefty he hit me with the first pitch which the umpire said I didn't try to get out of the way, so he hit me with the next pitch too. He then tried a fastball away which I lined down the left field line for a double. He struck me out twice and then gave up a sac fly for an RBI. In the ninth, he hit me but tipped his cap so the umpire awarded me first base. In three of his four ABs he'd tried to sac bunt, whiffing once, suceeding once and having the lead runner throw out once. His other AB was a strikeout to end an inning and he was quite disgusted when I just handed him the ball, which he'd just missed with the bat.

I think Shingo hit you beacause he's read your political views.

:)

doctor30th
01-21-2004, 08:59 PM
According to Whitesox.com He is actually being brought in as a set up man unless Koch Struggles.

link (http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20040121&content_id=629977&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp)

Might just be PR.

Hondo
01-21-2004, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I actually played against Shingo in the Japanese minors in 1991 when he split the season with the big league club and the minors. He threw a respectable fastball, was trying to bring a split finger pitch (which I've heard he since dropped) and a slurve. Batting lefty he hit me with the first pitch which the umpire said I didn't try to get out of the way, so he hit me with the next pitch too. He then tried a fastball away which I lined down the left field line for a double. He struck me out twice and then gave up a sac fly for an RBI. In the ninth, he hit me but tipped his cap so the umpire awarded me first base. In three of his four ABs he'd tried to sac bunt, whiffing once, suceeding once and having the lead runner throw out once. His other AB was a strikeout to end an inning and he was quite disgusted when I just handed him the ball, which he'd just missed with the bat.


you bat from the left side of the plate? Hmmm intersting

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
It cannot make the bullpen worse and has the potential to really solidify it. On paper it looks like the Sox are going to need a deep pen this year. Heck it's $1M and the guy is trying to prove he belongs.

Long live Mr.0...

With a nickname like that you cannot go wrong...

With Takatsu, I think we have the best bullpen in the central, by a considerable amount. We know what we're getting from Wunsch and Marte, and I think that Koch and Wright could potentially be good. They are the 2 question marks and I think we'll be solid if one of them is reliable.

If neither are good, and Affeldt is and MacDougal looks like he did early in 2003 and with sullivan, the Royals might threaten for best bullpen, but they still would be behind, even if Wright or Koch both suck.

The Twins' bullpen wont even be close to being as good as ours unless their rookies emerge. Nathan is good, but no one else is really incredible, unless they sign Urbina, and even still, ours would be better from top to bottom

MRKARNO
01-21-2004, 09:07 PM
I cant wait to hear all of the perversions of Takatsu's name. I know that in my last post I accidentally wrote "Sakatsu"

anewman35
01-21-2004, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Daver
Exactly where in my post did you see any mention of that?


Do not put words in my mouth,I don't appreciate it.

Um, if that wasn't what you were implying, what were you implying?

cornball
01-21-2004, 09:13 PM
Finally some news....maybe this will have a snowball affect. I am happy a capable (hopefully) body.

Jerry_Manuel
01-21-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Um, if that wasn't what you were implying, what were you implying?

I'm not Daver, but I think his point is that WSI/FlyingSock/FryMakers INC don't want it to look like they are telling people where you can get free music. I'm sure Daver could explain it better.

Daver
01-21-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Um, if that wasn't what you were implying, what were you implying?

I think you need to read this. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/MainPages/ConductCode.htm)

I wasn't implying anything,and to presume I was is no better than putting words in my mouth,and I don't appreciate that either.

ondafarm
01-21-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
Looking at his stats, his first two years were kinda rocky, but he appears to have settled down since then into a good if not great closer.

Yakult was trying him as a starter / middle reliever. In the minors he was a starter.

Jjav829
01-21-2004, 09:22 PM
Watch him fail his physical now and all this excitement will have been for nothing...

Hopefully not though.

ondafarm
01-21-2004, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I cant wait to hear all of the perversions of Takatsu's name. I know that in my last post I accidentally wrote "Sakatsu"

tah-KAH-?u (for all you non-linguists out there the /?/ is the glottal stop, in this case the sound of the double t in the English word 'letter')

quade36
01-21-2004, 09:26 PM
Hmmm, does that mean Koch will be traded and the Sox will free up some money?????

I like I like...

duke of dorwood
01-21-2004, 09:26 PM
This is all about depth. The innings lost when Bartolo left have to be assumed by the pen. At least there's no arm trouble.

soxtalker
01-21-2004, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by StepsInSC
But cmon this is different. Up until this no one in Japan cared about, if they even knew of, the Chicago White Sox. Now every white sox game will be on the news so they can see how their career saves leader is doing. I dont know how it works, but there has to be some extra revenue that can be had from this...

I know he doesn't have the popularity of either Matsui, Ichiro, or even Shinjo, but this is worth the money for the PR side alone IMO.

This is an interesting point. Remember the comments that one of the posters from Boston made a few weeks ago in the thread(s) discussing one of the possible trades with the Red Sox? He/she said that there was going to be a lot of focus on drumming up the foreign sales of teams' merchandise. That's because it all goes to the individual team -- not MLB (all the teams). If you are an owner or even a savvy GM looking down the road, you want to try to maximize this potential source of revenue.

Daver
01-21-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker
This is an interesting point. Remember the comments that one of the posters from Boston made a few weeks ago in the thread(s) discussing one of the possible trades with the Red Sox? He/she said that there was going to be a lot of focus on drumming up the foreign sales of teams' merchandise. That's because it all goes to the individual team -- not MLB (all the teams). If you are an owner or even a savvy GM looking down the road, you want to try to maximize this potential source of revenue.

All merchandise with a team logo is branded by MLB,and all of that revenue is shared revenue,including what is sold in the team's own ballparks.There is no distinction made on what country it is coming from.

StepsInSC
01-21-2004, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Daver
All merchandise with a team logo is branded by MLB,and all of that revenue is shared revenue,including what is sold in the team's own ballparks.There is no distinction made on what country it is coming from.

Is this the same for televised games?

rahulsekhar
01-21-2004, 09:43 PM
Call me childish, but the first song that came to mind was the old Schoolhouse rock jingle "My Hero Zero"

Here's hoping this guy's worthy of the fix or schoolhouse rock! (And that this isn't the last of Kenny's moves).

guillen4life13
01-21-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by rahulsekhar
Call me childish, but the first song that came to mind was the old Schoolhouse rock jingle "My Hero Zero"

Here's hoping this guy's worthy of the fix or schoolhouse rock! (And that this isn't the last of Kenny's moves).

Ha! I liked the Smashing Pumpkins idea more... but you know me.

Daver
01-21-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by StepsInSC
Is this the same for televised games?

No,media deals are handled by the teams,with the exception of nationally televised games,teams have a contract for local TV and MLB negotiates the national deal,with the national deal going into the shared revenue pot.

soxfan26
01-21-2004, 09:53 PM
Good Move for the money.

Helps the bullpen, and...

WSI might pick up a few members in Japan!

:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

soxtalker
01-21-2004, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Daver
All merchandise with a team logo is branded by MLB,and all of that revenue is shared revenue,including what is sold in the team's own ballparks.There is no distinction made on what country it is coming from.

It is the merchandise that is sold in the foreign countries. (I'm guessing that most manufacturing will be done overseas anyway.)

beckett21
01-21-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by rahulsekhar
[B]Call me childish, but the first song that came to mind was the old Schoolhouse rock jingle "My Hero Zero"

Well, in this case hopefully it will be better than "I'm just a Bill(y Koch) :D:

gogosoxgogo
01-21-2004, 10:05 PM
I like the move, I think it really solidifies our bullpen, but let's not get too excited over this people. He looked to be pretty good in Japan, but when you compare him with Sasaki, he was nothing. He holds the career saves mark, but that's in part thanks to longivity. He is 34, so we'll see how he manages. Hopefully, we can squeeze out at least one good year. I'm not trying to be pessimistic here, but there is no need to start calling this guy the next Mariano Rivera. He adds depth to our bullpen and if he struggles, we know we have guys who can come in and fill the spot. Good move, but let's not go nuts.

MarkEdward
01-21-2004, 10:07 PM
Well, I suppose I'm not as ecstatic as others are in regard to this signing. Remember, he is 35 years old. His walk rate ballooned this past year, from 2.4 in 2002 to 4.5 in 2003. His K rate is pretty low, which also concerns me. However, ...

... I don't think this is a bad move. He's cheap, and should give the Sox more exposure (if Shingo actually pitches well). Plus, he's cheap. Anyway, what's does our pen look like now? Is this close to realistic:
Ace: Marte
Long reliever: Wright
LHP: Wunsch
RHP: Takatsu
RHP: Politte
RHP: Koch

Not bad. I'd still like a fourth starter, though. Rauch becomes fifth starter, Schoeneweis replaces Wright as long reliever.

gogosoxgogo
01-21-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by StepsInSC
But cmon this is different. Up until this no one in Japan cared about, if they even knew of, the Chicago White Sox. Now every white sox game will be on the news so they can see how their career saves leader is doing. I dont know how it works, but there has to be some extra revenue that can be had from this...

I know he doesn't have the popularity of either Matsui, Ichiro, or even Shinjo, but this is worth the money for the PR side alone IMO.

I wouldn't say that every White Sox game will be on the news. Yeah, he's the all time saves leader, but I don't think this guy is as nearly coveted as the others that you mentioned. I doubt this will have much of a PR effect in Japan. They will probably just move on. I don't know much about this guy, this is a all a hunch, so I hope you're right.

gogosoxgogo
01-21-2004, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by joecrede
I wonder if this is a precursor to moving Marte into the rotation?

Definately not next year. It takes a lot of work to convert from a 1-2 inning setup/closer into a starting pitcher. IF Marte ever did try starting (which there is no reason to beccause he is perfectly effective in the pen), it would need to be decided at the end of a season to let him work on it over the winter. You can't spring that on him now. Plus, if Marte did go to the rotation, our pen takes a HUGE loss.

cheeses_h_rice
01-21-2004, 10:18 PM
Just learned about this deal, and I have to say I'm very pleased to see the move. It will help address the hole left by Flash in the 'pen, and be a solid backup in case Koch underachieves this year. Plus, the Sox will be just one of a handful of teams with a Japanese star on their roster, which WILL raise their profile overseas and with the sizeable Asian community in Chicago.

Now, if we can just get another proven starter, I may yet go into 2004 with some optimism...

:)

CWSGuy406
01-21-2004, 10:23 PM
Some of you bring up age as a factor. I really think that KW made a good signing here, 1 Year, if he sucks, oh well, he tried, and if he's good, they have a club-option for 2005. 1 Million per year.

I like the move. Go make the deal with Boston and I'll be very pleased.

Whitesox029
01-21-2004, 10:31 PM
I have two questions-- Does he speak English? If not, who will translate?

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Whitesox029
I have two questions-- Does he speak English? If not, who will translate?

Well Ozzy won't be tranlating into English.

Kroozah
01-21-2004, 10:34 PM
Its a good move, but you still have to look at other things...last year, the team struggled to score runs.
Also the starting rotation is weaker, so in turn in order to save the game, you have to have a lead to do it. That is the part that I am concered with.

beckett21
01-21-2004, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Whitesox029
I have two questions-- Does he speak English? If not, who will translate?

Those guys usually bring their own official translator, who will be on Uncle Jerry's dime most likely.

Whitesox029
01-21-2004, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by beckett21
Those guys usually bring their own official translator, who will be on Uncle Jerry's dime most likely.

Whatever works

jabrch
01-21-2004, 10:39 PM
Hey, at least we know KW is still alive - and the money in JRs wallet will see the light of day, at least for just a bit. That's good news, isn't it?

This can only be seen as a positive - maybe too little and maybe too late - but a positive none-the-less.

He is much better than Bernard, Smith, Jackson and Santiago - the other four piles of human waste we signed today.

santo=dorf
01-21-2004, 10:46 PM
:tomatoaward

SoxRulecubsdrool
01-21-2004, 11:02 PM
I have had a few beers but wasn't Mr. Zero the guy in When Harry met Sally. Didn't Harry say that Mr. Zero knew he was getting kicked out of his apartment before he even knew.

Is this a different Mr. Zero? :gulp:
If this guy was working for a furniture moving company, he may have arm trouble!
Drink up eveyone. :gulp:

gosox3072
01-21-2004, 11:02 PM
Tommarows Chicago Tribune Headline

CUBS SIGN INJURED RYAN DEMPSTER
Sox Sign Japanese Save Leader

soxfan26
01-21-2004, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by santo=dorf
:tomatoaward

Is there some kind of story that goes with this award?

hillbilly
01-21-2004, 11:05 PM
I dont know about all of you guys, but i havent heard this guys name ONCE at all in the offseason. Either that means the sox scouting is that far superior than the 30 other teams or this guy royally sucks. He has some talent yes, but just because he comes out of japan doesnt mean hes good.

MarkEdward
01-21-2004, 11:07 PM
Some more numbers to gnaw on...

K/9
'99: 8.3
'00: 7.5
'01: 6.8
'02: 6
'03: 5.6
BB/9
'99: 1.8
'00: 2.1
'01: 2.3
'02: 2.4
'03: 4.5
HR/9
'99: 1.3
'00: 1.0
'01: .5
'02: 1.3
'03: 1.5
K/BB:
'99: 4.8
'00: 3.6
'01: 3
'02: 2.5
'03: 1.2

ssang
01-21-2004, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by depy48
i just like the idea that no one has faced his stuff yet, so its totally new. which means he'll be effective for at least a couple of months...
now we have to play a cool theme song when he comes into the game...
someone start thinking up "mr zero" chants..or something...

I can picrure it now....We're gonna be in agony when he blows game 7 of the world series. By that time hitters' will have caught onto his pitching style. I guarentee that's exactly how this season will go down.

CubKilla
01-21-2004, 11:10 PM
Shingo Takatsu is definitely on the downslide of his career..... in Japan at least. Maybe alot of the AL players never batting against him will be an advantage to him and the White Sox.

Anyone as closer is better than Botch.

serena
01-21-2004, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by gosox3072
Tommarows Chicago Tribune Headline

CUBS SIGN INJURED RYAN DEMPSTER
Sox Sign Japanese Save Leader

TOO TRUE!!!!! :o:

gosox41
01-21-2004, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by MarkEdward
Some more numbers to gnaw on...

K/9
'99: 8.3
'00: 7.5
'01: 6.8
'02: 6
'03: 5.6
BB/9
'99: 1.8
'00: 2.1
'01: 2.3
'02: 2.4
'03: 4.5
HR/9
'99: 1.3
'00: 1.0
'01: .5
'02: 1.3
'03: 1.5
K/BB:
'99: 4.8
'00: 3.6
'01: 3
'02: 2.5
'03: 1.2


If those are his numbers, I'm not too impressed. Who wants a pitcher who's walks have been increasing the last 5 years whilke his K rate has gone down.

Is anyone here really going to say these are good numbers. This was a nothing move by the Sox, unless it boosts attendance in the Asian community.

Bob

chisoxfan79
01-21-2004, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by MarkEdward
Well, I suppose I'm not as ecstatic as others are in regard to this signing. Remember, he is 35 years old. His walk rate ballooned this past year, from 2.4 in 2002 to 4.5 in 2003. His K rate is pretty low, which also concerns me. However, ...

... I don't think this is a bad move. He's cheap, and should give the Sox more exposure (if Shingo actually pitches well). Plus, he's cheap. Anyway, what's does our pen look like now? Is this close to realistic:
Ace: Marte
Long reliever: Wright
LHP: Wunsch
RHP: Takatsu
RHP: Politte
RHP: Koch

Not bad. I'd still like a fourth starter, though. Rauch becomes fifth starter, Schoeneweis replaces Wright as long reliever. Not bad are you kidding me this bullpen is brutal who's gonna close Koch and his 88 mile an hour fastball, Who the hell is Cliff Politte. Iwouldn't mind seeing Marte as closer but they would never get to him with the rest of that bullpen

Iwritecode
01-21-2004, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by soxfan26
Is there some kind of story that goes with this award?

We were a little bored... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5628)

DrCrawdad
01-21-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
If those are his numbers, I'm not too impressed. Who wants a pitcher who's walks have been increasing the last 5 years whilke his K rate has gone down.

Is anyone here really going to say these are good numbers. This was a nothing move by the Sox, unless it boosts attendance in the Asian community.

Bob

I hear the concern. Heck, Shingo might be nothing good. But a few of us have been clamoring for a well-known Japanese player for awhile. Hopefully, Shingo helps the Sox in two ways - in the pen and at the gate.

I'm ready to start making my the national flag of Japan except instead of the red star it will be a red zero.

longshot7
01-22-2004, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
I'm not Daver, but I think his point is that WSI/FlyingSock/FryMakers INC don't want it to look like they are telling people where you can get free music. I'm sure Daver could explain it better.

Jerry, where have you been????


btw, anyone else see that we're bringing back Carlos "Cheeseborger" Castillo?

petekat
01-22-2004, 12:46 AM
I like I like, Even if he doesn't pan out as a full time closer- an extra arm, an extra look. Still like Marte. This could have 2 possible impacts on Koch- it will allow him to relax and get over what was ailing him (knowing the Sox have other options). Or more likely, it will get his competitive juices going, and kick him in the rumpus. I like the idea too that the Sox are expanding their fan base--- a lot of Japanese turn out whenver Ichiro or Matsui are in town- so this is a welcome sign for the franchise--- maybe other free agents will also start to look at Chicago differently. And if the Sox get on a roll this summer....even if they don't advance far in the playoffs but at least win the division...maybe, just maybe--- it'll convince Mags to stick around for a reasonable sum. Hey, compared with the dearth of news this winter...this is big. Way to go Kenny, and welcome to Chicago Shingo


Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I hear the concern. Heck, Shingo might be nothing good. But a few of us have been clamoring for a well-known Japanese player for awhile. Hopefully, Shingo helps the Sox in two ways - in the pen and at the gate.

I'm ready to start making my the national flag of Japan except instead of the red star it will be a red zero.

HITMEN OF 77
01-22-2004, 12:58 AM
He's a closer and he's cheap enough. Sounds decent to me, so why not.

SSN721
01-22-2004, 06:44 AM
His stats arent superlative the last year or two but still pretty decent, not bad career stats, for the price I say a fantastic pickup. He is no Ichiro or Matsui but I really think it will expand the influence of the White Sox at least a little bit internationally. ANd who knows, it might open the door to a wave of talented Japanese players heading to Chicago, should that have been in teal? :D:

Maximo
01-22-2004, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I hear the concern. Heck, Shingo might be nothing good. But a few of us have been clamoring for a well-known Japanese player for awhile. Hopefully, Shingo helps the Sox in two ways - in the pen and at the gate.

I'm ready to start making my the national flag of Japan except instead of the red star it will be a red zero.


Have to agree here....at least Kenny, with one hand tied behind his back, appears to be trying to look under every rock. Whether this guy works out or not, it could be the beginning of a new pipeline and an increased fan base. Furthermore, maybe a few more 'well-healed' potential new owners will begin to take notice.

StepsInSC
01-22-2004, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by hillbilly
I dont know about all of you guys, but i havent heard this guys name ONCE at all in the offseason. Either that means the sox scouting is that far superior than the 30 other teams or this guy royally sucks. He has some talent yes, but just because he comes out of japan doesnt mean hes good.

His name has popped up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1708952

IRVINE, Calif. -- Shingo Takatsu, Japan's career saves leader, worked out Wednesday in front of scouts for 24 teams, according to his agent, Joe Urbon.

So no, it wasn't only us that were interested.

Hangar18
01-22-2004, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by seventytwo
His theme song is an obvious choice.

"Saved by Zero"....by the Fixx (I believe?) Some euro-80s band that enjoyed some level of popularity here in the states for a year or two.

Thats an excellent suggestion. The Fixx were a Canadian band from the early 80's, actually pretty good band. Stand or Fall was one of their best songs ....

DrCrawdad
01-22-2004, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I hear the concern. Heck, Shingo might be nothing good. But a few of us have been clamoring for a well-known Japanese player for awhile. Hopefully, Shingo helps the Sox in two ways - in the pen and at the gate.

I'm ready to start making my the national flag of Japan except instead of the red star it will be a red zero.

CORRECTION:

I'm ready to start making my the national flag of Japan except instead of the red circle it will be a red zero.

http://www.fujiflag.co.jp/image/japan_flag.gif

anewman35
01-22-2004, 08:50 AM
I was just talking to a friend of mine who just recently got back from spending two years as a teacher in a Japanese middle school. Not that it means a whole lot, but she says her students thought Takatsu was great, one of the best pitchers in Japanese baseball.

She also tells me that, basically, nobody in Japan even knows the White Sox exist, and if they care about Chicago at all, it's just the Cubs and Sammy Sosa. Hopefully this can change things a bit.

Hangar18
01-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Even if it doesnt work out, were trying to expand the fanbase,
which is always a good idea. We have a huge Asian community
here, and why they ignore it, I dont know. Not to mention a huge hispanic community which they should be marketing to also.....(as in bringing back the spanish language games with chico carrasquel) I LIKE THE SIGNING. We need Good
Marketing and this HELPS

IlliniSox
01-22-2004, 09:31 AM
Nintendo adds in Japanese at the ballpark?

cheeses_h_rice
01-22-2004, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Thats an excellent suggestion. The Fixx were a Canadian band from the early 80's, actually pretty good band. Stand or Fall was one of their best songs ....

The Fixx were from London.

"Red Skies at Night."
"Stand or Fall."
"One Thing Leads to Another."

Lots o' hits circa 1983-85...

kittle42
01-22-2004, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by IlliniSox
Nintendo adds in Japanese at the ballpark?

They'll add in Japanese what?

kittle42
01-22-2004, 09:52 AM
I'm happy they made this move, but let's not get too excited. Hopefully, he will at least be a serviceable closer and will get some new people excited about the Sox. But he is 35, is only getting $1 million, and was not offered the role he wanted by any other team.

DrCrawdad
01-22-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by kittle42
I'm happy they made this move, but let's not get too excited. Hopefully, he will at least be a serviceable closer and will get some new people excited about the Sox. But he is 35, is only getting $1 million, and was not offered the role he wanted by any other team.

I think we all realize that Shingo throws sidearm, but we realize he's no...
http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news38/7twin1003.l.jpg

jabrch
01-22-2004, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I think we all realize that Shingo throws sidearm, but we realize he's no...
http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news38/7twin1003.l.jpg

How do you get any velocity on the ball coming submarine like that? Bradford is a freak!

surfdudes
01-22-2004, 10:28 AM
Now that we have 213 billion setup men and closers and bullpen rehab projects, if half of these guys do anything, we should be o.k. It will be interesting to see how Botch responds to this guy being brought on board.
NOW GO GET US A STARTER!


"The next time he came to bat, he said something to me about what I said being racist. I took the mask off and said, 'Deion, **** you. There is a right way and a wrong way to play and the way you play offends the hell out of me. Sooner or later, this game is going to stick that bat right up your ***.' That was when the benches cleared." -Carlton Fisk describing the events leading to the bench clearing brawl in 1989 when Fisk confronted Yankee Deion Sanders for failing to run out an infield pop flyET US A STARTER![/B]

Nick@Nite
01-22-2004, 11:11 AM
Zero might have a 34-year old arm, but since the Japanese have one of the longest life spans on the planet, his arm-age maybe what, 27?

Thanks KW, anything is better than nothing (news wise), imo.

rmusacch
01-22-2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by surfdudes
Now that we have 213 billion setup men and closers and bullpen rehab projects, if half of these guys do anything, we should be o.k. It will be interesting to see how Botch responds to this guy being brought on board.
NOW GO GET US A STARTER!


"The next time he came to bat, he said something to me about what I said being racist. I took the mask off and said, 'Deion, **** you. There is a right way and a wrong way to play and the way you play offends the hell out of me. Sooner or later, this game is going to stick that bat right up your ***.' That was when the benches cleared." -Carlton Fisk describing the events leading to the bench clearing brawl in 1989 when Fisk confronted Yankee Deion Sanders for failing to run out an infield pop flyET US A STARTER! [/B]

According to the article on chisox.com, he is being brought up as the setup man but could be made the closer if Koch fails. My question is what report do you believe?

CubKilla
01-22-2004, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by rmusacch
According to the article on chisox.com, he is being brought up as the setup man but could be made the closer if Koch fails. My question is what report do you believe?

Why does this Organization constantly try to fix what isn't broken? Marte was far and away more effective as set-up man than Botch was at opening up games last season. Keep Marte at set-up and let Botch and Shingo Takatsu fight it out for closer in ST.

Baby Fisk
01-22-2004, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by munchman33
What about "Zero" by the Smashing Pumpkins?

Here's a theme song suggestion for all you headbangers out there:

ZERO THE HERO by Black Sabbath! YAAAAARRRR!

soxtalker
01-22-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
How do you get any velocity on the ball coming submarine like that? Bradford is a freak!

Speed isn't everything. Anything that will fool the hitter can qualify. Being able to change speeds without the pitcher changing his appearance to the batter is one standard way. But throwing sidearm or submarine is another way.

maurice
01-22-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by MarkEdward
Some more numbers to gnaw on...

His WHIP sucks too. Takatsu's stuff was in steady decline while facing Japanese hitters. How is he worth $1 mil. in MLB?

In other news, the Sun-Times article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox22.html) on Takatsu indicates that Castillo, Kohlmeier, Stewart, Aceves, Maldonado, and Valenzuela were invited to Spring Training.

gogosoxgogo
01-22-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by maurice
His WHIP sucks too. Takatsu's stuff was in steady decline while facing Japanese hitters. How is he worth $1 mil. in MLB?

In other news, the Sun-Times article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox22.html) on Takatsu indicates that Castillo, Kohlmeier, Stewart, Aceves, Maldonado, and Valenzuela were invited to Spring Training.

Fernando Valenzuela was invited to camp? Geeze, I didn't know we were that desperate!

Baby Fisk
01-22-2004, 02:24 PM
Don't sniff at Candy Maldonado either. He was on the Blue Jays' WS team of 1992...

maurice
01-22-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
Fernando Valenzuela was invited to camp? Geeze, I didn't know we were that desperate!

We ARE that desperate for starting pitching. :D:

"Valenzuela" is Mario Valenzuela, a corner OF with a streaky bat who played for various Sox minor-league affiliates over the past several years.

"Maldonado" is Carlos Maldonado, who presumably was invited to help catch the six million pitchers the Sox will invite to camp.

Baby Fisk
01-22-2004, 04:59 PM
This seems to have triggered an Iron Chef Dream Scenario...


:DJ

"Hawk-san?!"

:hawk

"Konichiwa!"

:DJ

"It appears as though with men on the corners here in the ninth with one man out, Manager Guillen is calling on Thomas-san to bunt!"

:hawk

"Hai!"

:DJ

"And Thomas-san has cracked his bat over one knee--AND NOW HE'S CHARGING HIS OWN DUGOUT!"

:hawk

"HAI HAI!"

:DJ

"THE BENCH HAS CLEARED!"

:hawk

"GODZIRRA!"

:reinsy

"When the hell did Hawk learn Japanese?"

ondafarm
01-22-2004, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I think Shingo hit you beacause he's read your political views.



Actually, he just knew that he could get away with it. Being a standard Chicago sized guy but playing under a very slimy Japanese national status rule, I made an easy target and was always gettung called for not getting out of the way of pitches. I was called out on strikes more than once while being hit with the pitch. Of course as a .242 minors career hitter who can complain?

depy48
01-22-2004, 07:52 PM
so when dies whitesox.com add Shingo to the
"who will lead the whitesox in wins" poll?
he's got my vote
is that the right color?

DrCrawdad
01-24-2004, 08:01 AM
Even IF Shingo is a flop as a Sox pitcher. This is the best million dollars the White Sox have paid a player in a long, long time.

SUN-TIMES ARTICLE (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sside24.html)

'I am very, very proud of him,'' Keishi Asai, 11, of Elk Grove, said about his hero, Shingo Takatsu, a relief pitcher and the first Japanese-born player signed by the White Sox.

''I love baseball, and now there is one of our own playing for my favorite Chicago team. I can't wait.''

With 260 saves in 13 seasons with the Yakult Swallows, Takatsu is Japan's all-time saves leader, and he just made the game a little more interesting for Japanese baseball fans. Takatsu is a hot topic even among non-fans.

''As Consul General, it was my dream to have Japanese players in Chicago, and my dream has come true,'' said Mitsuo Sakaba of the Japanese consulate, a die-hard baseball fan since his club-team days as a child in Japan.

''For the area's 7,000 Japanese and 20,000 Japanese-Americans, Mr. Takatsu's signing by the Sox is epoch-making. It's a happy day. I shall support with much stronger enthusiasm White Sox games.''


As for Mathew Mans, 12, of Glencoe, who is a pitcher and catcher on his Little League team, he now has an idol.

''In Japan, he's really very good,'' Mans said. ''It's really cool that he's in Chicago now.''

WHITE SOX MANAGEMENT, NOW BUILD ON THIS EXCITEMENT - PUT THE BEST TEAM YOU CAN AROUND SHINGO. ALTHOUGH NOW ITS A BIT LATE FOR THAT.

Over By There
01-24-2004, 08:14 AM
Last night one of the sports segments on newsradio 780 was talking about the signing and had a soundbyte of KW calling Shingo "Shingo-san." :smile:

DrCrawdad
01-24-2004, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Even IF Shingo is a flop as a Sox pitcher. This is the best million dollars the White Sox have paid a player in a long, long time.

SUN-TIMES ARTICLE (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sside24.html)

'I am very, very proud of him,'' Keishi Asai, 11, of Elk Grove, said about his hero, Shingo Takatsu, a relief pitcher and the first Japanese-born player signed by the White Sox.

''I love baseball, and now there is one of our own playing for my favorite Chicago team. I can't wait.''

As for Mathew Mans, 12, of Glencoe, who is a pitcher and catcher on his Little League team, he now has an idol.

''In Japan, he's really very good,'' Mans said. ''It's really cool that he's in Chicago now.''

This type of youthful exuberance reminds me of a young Crawdad. As a young Crawdad, I used to clip Sox articles out of the Daily News (and later Sun-Times) all post-season with the hope that this year was going to be the best.

The more of this type of youthful exuberance the better.

ondafarm
01-24-2004, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by depy48
so when dies whitesox.com add Shingo to the
"who will lead the whitesox in wins" poll?
he's got my vote
is that the right color?

I'd be very surprised if he leads the team in wins. He will devastate right handed power hitters, but against lefties?

SEALgep
01-24-2004, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
This type of youthful exuberance reminds me of a young Crawdad. As a young Crawdad, I used to clip Sox articles out of the Daily News (and later Sun-Times) all post-season with the hope that this year was going to be the best.

The more of this type of youthful exuberance the better.

I agree. If it helps increase fan base, and then revenue, I'm all for it. It helps the overall direction of the ball club. Oh ya, it will help if he pitches well too, lol. I think it helps solidify our pen. If Koch can resemble his old form (doesn't have to be exactly what he was) wecould have a very good pen. Better than the Cubs I think, which doesn't really mean anything, but it should be good nonetheless.

StepsInSC
01-24-2004, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Over By There
Last night one of the sports segments on newsradio 780 was talking about the signing and had a soundbyte of KW calling Shingo "Shingo-san." :smile:

LOL thats like calling Frank Thomas Mr. Frank. He could at least get it right.

SEALgep
01-24-2004, 12:33 PM
Actually if he had said Takatsu-san it would have been more proper, but what he essentially said was Mr. Shingo, but I don't think it was necessarily disrepectful. A mistake sure, but I don't think Shingo will hold offense. If he doesn't, it's not a big deal.

Over By There
01-24-2004, 05:47 PM
I didn't even think that it might be disrespectful, I just thought it was funny to hear.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/KW.jpg
Shingo-san!
:smile:

doctor30th
01-24-2004, 06:10 PM
Actually if he had said Takatsu-san it would have been more proper, but what he essentially said was Mr. Shingo, but I don't think it was necessarily disrepectful. A mistake sure, but I don't think Shingo will hold offense. If he doesn't, it's not a big deal.

True Takatsu-San is the proper Formal way there is nothing wrong with saying Shingo-san, it is a informal but yet honorific way to use it in a way that is more for a friend. The Takatsu-san is what you say to the father of the girl your dating.

DrCrawdad
01-25-2004, 05:45 AM
Sun-Times Article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox25.html)

Having already given a thumbs-up to Suzuki, Colborn liked what he saw in Takatsu.

"I was hoping the Dodgers would sign him,'' he said. "I felt like he was a good risk.

"He's not muscular like an American body build, but he's plenty strong and they will be impressed with his strength and stamina. He's kind of a leader and winner. When you are around him you sense his confidence. He inspires confidence. I suspect he will be a solid addition to their team.''

StockdaleForVeep
01-25-2004, 01:42 PM
Ive always been waitin for sox to sign into the large japanese market, u can guarentee i'll have my japanese flag out for when he comes out(i had it for ecw events before for yoshihiro tajiri)

My only concern is since hes not a fireballin latino, will oz even decide to use him, he may not fit his style of play...lol

Also, maybe Takatsu will be so disgraced by white sox business ethics he'll quit baseball and japan will go back into isolationism from american beseboll

Also, any ideas or anyone seen how his jersey will look? In Japan i believe due to the language they put last name first and first name last, hence why ichiro has that on the back of his jersey but then u have nomo and other pitchers with their american last name on the back, anyone know the details?

DrCrawdad
01-25-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Ive always been waitin for sox to sign into the large japanese market, u can guarentee i'll have my japanese flag out for when he comes out (i had it for ecw events before for yoshihiro tajiri)...

Also, any ideas or anyone seen how his jersey will look? In Japan i believe due to the language they put last name first and first name last, hence why ichiro has that on the back of his jersey but then u have nomo and other pitchers with their american last name on the back, anyone know the details?

IIRC it is Takatsu on the back. Also, KW got Shingo to autograph a ball. KW said that the ball will go into the White Sox museum as Chicago's first Japanese professional baseball player.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/2004/01/23/CS6dOsha.jpg

ondafarm
01-25-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Also, any ideas or anyone seen how his jersey will look? In Japan i believe due to the language they put last name first and first name last, hence why ichiro has that on the back of his jersey but then u have nomo and other pitchers with their american last name on the back, anyone know the details?

Ichiro is actually Ichiro Suzuki. Or in Japan Suzuki Ichiro. Because his last name is extremely common, he's always requested to use his first name. When he got to be a star in Japan management finally agreed to it. I can't imagine many other Japanese requesting the same. I once played against a team that had four players named Suzuki and two Hondas. Takatsu will be on the back of the jersey.

jabrch
01-25-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by ondafarm
I once played against a team that had four players named Suzuki and two Hondas. Takatsu will be on the back of the jersey.

But no Infinity or Lexus? Cheap team?

Whitesox029
01-25-2004, 05:31 PM
We seem to have won over all the people of Japanese descent in the Chicago area...why didn't we think of this before?

DrCrawdad
01-25-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Whitesox029
We seem to have won over all the people of Japanese descent in the Chicago area...why didn't we think of this before?

Well I don't know if the Sox have won over ALL the Chicago-area Japanese just yet but this certainly helps.

Your question though is an interesting one. Hangar, me and a few others have quite vocal in wishing that the Sox would go for a Japanese player. IMHO the reason the Sox have passed on previous Japanese players is money. They wanted too much money. IMO that was simply short-sighted. They missed previous opportunities to land good, or in Ichiro's case great, Japanese players and missed the boat on building the fanbase. It would have added Japanese fans to the gate in The Cell and on the road as well.

Maybe if you're at SoxFest you could address that question directly to KW. I'd bet that KW would just dodge it though and say how happy they are to have Shingo.

I'm excited by the positive comments that were posted in the Sun-Times by some Chicago Japanese. Also, the comments by the Dodger scout give me reason for hope that Shingo will do well.

StepsInSC
01-25-2004, 05:57 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=insidedishrangersprovead&prov=tsn&type=lgns

A little blurb about Takatsu at the end...basically it says the Sox are kidding themselves if they think he can cut it as a closer.

Whitesox029
01-25-2004, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Well I don't know if the Sox have won over ALL the Chicago-area Japanese just yet but this certainly helps.

Your question though is an interesting one. Hangar, me and a few others have quite vocal in wishing that the Sox would go for a Japanese player. IMHO the reason the Sox have passed on previous Japanese players is money. They wanted too much money. IMO that was simply short-sighted. They missed previous opportunities to land good, or in Ichiro's case great, Japanese players and missed the boat on building the fanbase. It would have added Japanese fans to the gate in The Cell and on the road as well.

Maybe if you're at SoxFest you could address that question directly to KW. I'd bet that KW would just dodge it though and say how happy they are to have Shingo.

I'm excited by the positive comments that were posted in the Sun-Times by some Chicago Japanese. Also, the comments by the Dodger scout give me reason for hope that Shingo will do well.
I meant to say 1st generation Japanese, those who were born in Japan. If there are 2nd generation Japanese, they will be more likely to stick to the team they have always been loyal to, Sox or Cubs, just like any other American--I'm Polish and that doesn't make me a Joe Borowski fan.

I don't see why he wouldn't do well, and personally I think he should be closer right off the bat--to hell with giving Botch another chance. If Shingo struggles, then maybe you give him another chance.

Did anybody see Rosenbloom's column today?:
"If Shingo Takatsu is called 'Mr. Zero,' then doesn't that mean that Billy Koch should be called 'Mr. Six-point-Zero?' "

voodoochile
01-25-2004, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Whitesox029
We seem to have won over all the people of Japanese descent in the Chicago area...why didn't we think of this before?

Let's see...

At one point in time, Chicago could claim the largest Polish population of any city outside of Warsaw, the largest Irish population of any city outside of Dublin, a large healthy Mexican population, a multitude of Chinese, Thai and Vietnamese and a fair representation from several African countries, but I never remember it being a hotbed for displaced Japanationals.

Isn't this just SOOO Gallas? :D:

At least they are planning on marketing Loaiza and every little bit counts...

ondafarm
01-25-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
But no Infinity or Lexus? Cheap team?
Actually, it was a company team and all the players drove Toyotas.

DrCrawdad
01-25-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Let's see...

At one point in time, Chicago could claim the largest Polish population of any city outside of Warsaw, the largest Irish population of any city outside of Dublin, a large healthy Mexican population, a multitude of Chinese, Thai and Vietnamese and a fair representation from several African countries, but I never remember it being a hotbed for displaced Japanationals.

Isn't this just SOOO Gallas? :D:

At least they are planning on marketing Loaiza and every little bit counts...

Chicago has large Mexican and Polish populations. I don't believe that the Japanese population is anywhere near those two national groups, but there is a sizable Japanese population though. And to me the point is that baseball is popular in Japan, as Ondafarm can testify. Without a doubt baseball is more popular in Japan than in Poland and I'd venture to say that baseball is more popular in Japan than Mexico too.

As I posted before, I've been at games when the Sox have played Seattle and then last year when the Sox played the Yankees. There was a sizable contigent of Asians (I'd guess Japanese) at these games to see Ichiro and then Matsui. The Sox need to do everything possible to reach out and increase their fanbase. I'd bet that the signing of Shingo will do just that. Now let's hope that Shingo does well.

voodoochile
01-25-2004, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Chicago has large Mexican and Polish populations. I don't believe that the Japanese population is anywhere near those two national groups, but there is a sizable Japanese population though. And to me the point is that baseball is popular in Japan, as Ondafarm can testify. Without a doubt baseball is more popular in Japan than in Poland and I'd venture to say that baseball is more popular in Japan than Mexico too.

As I posted before, I've been at games when the Sox have played Seattle and then last year when the Sox played the Yankees. There was a sizable contigent of Asians (I'd guess Japanese) at these games to see Ichiro and then Matsui. The Sox need to do everything possible to reach out and increase their fanbase. I'd bet that the signing of Shingo will do just that. Now let's hope that Shingo does well.

Oh, no problem. I like the idea of marketing the team effectively in Japan. I wish they would try it here sometime.

Baby Fisk
01-26-2004, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by jabrch
But no Infinity or Lexus? Cheap team?

True story: I work with a guy named Mazda. I'm always struggling not to call him Honda by mistake (because his last name starts with the letters "H-O-")

A. Cavatica
01-26-2004, 07:47 PM
If this guy can just be Salome Barojas one time through the league...

joecrede
01-26-2004, 10:23 PM
Ken Rosenthal writes:

Scouts and executives say the White Sox are kidding themselves if they think RHP Shingo Takatsu, Japan's all-time saves leader, can be their closer. Takatsu, a slender 35-year-old sidearmer, throws 84 to 86 mph and averaged only 5.8 strikeouts per nine innings against Japanese hitters the past two seasons. . . .