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Hangar18
01-19-2004, 10:50 AM
I dont think theres been a Maverick like him whos come into town and really Stirred Things Up in Years, if Ever. The Media (hint) would LOVE this guy, easy stories to write etc etc.

soxnut
01-19-2004, 11:04 AM
get your campaign started Hangar,,,,,,,,,,,,start sending your cards and letter to him now :smile: :D:

anewman35
01-19-2004, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I dont think theres been a Maverick like him whos come into town and really Stirred Things Up in Years, if Ever. The Media (hint) would LOVE this guy, easy stories to write etc etc.

Too bad that baseball ownership changes aren't made just because fans and media want them to be made, eh?

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 11:05 AM
hey, it if worked for Murph over on the score, to get
Baker the Bigot Hired, this could work for us

soxnut
01-19-2004, 11:06 AM
Hey is there anyone in New York who could go to his Tower and make a big sign asking him to buy the Sox, or should we go about it in another way?

PaleHoseGeorge
01-19-2004, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by soxnut
Hey is there anyone in New York who could go to his Tower and make a big sign asking him to buy the Sox, or should we go about it in another way?

That goofy Expos fan from Milwaukee made it onto all of the TV news shows last spring by showing up outside the Rosemont hotel where the owners were meeting dressed in a spaceman's outfit and wearing a water jug on his head painted silver. Can we get somebody to do this for our Sox somewhere in Manhattan?

Ah, forget it. You'll probably just blend in.

:)

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
That goofy Expos fan from Milwaukee made it onto all of the TV news shows last spring by showing up outside the Rosemont Can we get somebody to do this for our Sox somewhere in Manhattan?

Ah, forget it. You'll probably just blend in.

:)

Wait..... We have an East Coast Contingent. Someone over
there can think of something Novel Like this Im sure. Come on.....one of our East Coast Brothers can help in a time of need.
the time for Mobilization is Now. Im writing him a letter as
we speak

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 11:35 AM
Feel free to write Mr. Trump a Nice & Intelligent Letter
explaining why he would/could be the Straw-That-Stirs-
the-Drink in Chicago, should he buy the White Sox.
This guy would Awaken a Sleeping Giant FanBase that
is evidenced as being one of the Best In Baseball. We
are the Best Fans, This is a Storied Franchise with a Ton
of History, and We Deserve the Best Owner ....... Him.

Donald Trump
c/o Trump Casinos/18th Floor
725 5th Avenue
New York, NY 10022

mandmandm
01-19-2004, 11:39 AM
I hope his baseball ambitions would be greater than his charitable ambitions. Do we want another cheap bastard?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/trumpcheap1.html

MRKARNO
01-19-2004, 11:48 AM
As far as Trump's concerned, there's no return on charity (and there isnt), while there'd be a lot of potential return on a major league baseball club. It's awful that he thinks only in these terms, but I'm sure he does.

Deadguy
01-19-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
As far as Trump's concerned, there's no return on charity (and there isnt), while there'd be a lot of potential return on a major league baseball club. It's awful that he thinks only in these terms, but I'm sure he does.

It's debatable whether or not the White Sox have the potential to generate enough revenue to create a large return, while having a payroll among, say the top 5 teams.

We need someone whose willing to invest lots of money into this franchise in return for glory, not profit. If Donald were to run the White Sox as a business, and try to max out profits, it may not result in a higher winning percentage. If he's willing to throw lots of money out there, regardless of the losses he may incur, then he'd be worth having as an owner.

mandmandm
01-19-2004, 12:15 PM
He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would throw around dollars to get a warm and fuzy feeling winning baseball games.

Frater Perdurabo
01-19-2004, 12:21 PM
PHG was right in another thread on this topic that said that Trump would be perfect because of the size of his...

EGO.

He has more resources at his disposal than Steinbrenner. Also consider that the White Sox will have a Top Ten stadium in a Top Three market STARVED for a champion in an easy division and a great new TV network.

This is a perfect scenario for him, for the Sox and for us. In Donald We Trust. In Donald We Trust.

farscape
01-19-2004, 12:26 PM
Hello everyone! Donald Trump as an owner would be nice; I'm sure the cash flow would increase and his ego would drive a champion into the south side.

Frater Perdurabo
01-19-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by farscape
Hello everyone! Donald Trump as an owner would be nice; I'm sure the cash flow would increase and his ego would drive a champion into the south side.

Hey, Welcome Aboard!

cheeses_h_rice
01-19-2004, 12:53 PM
This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

Deadguy
01-19-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Frater Perdurabo
PHG was right in another thread on this topic that said that Trump would be perfect because of the size of his...

EGO.

He has more resources at his disposal than Steinbrenner. Also consider that the White Sox will have a Top Ten stadium in a Top Three market STARVED for a champion in an easy division and a great new TV network.

This is a perfect scenario for him, for the Sox and for us. In Donald We Trust. In Donald We Trust.

The problem is Donald Trump doesn't need the White Sox to attain celebrity status. He already has it. His ego has been stroked enough over the years.

He doesn't have the resources that Steinbrenner has, since Steinbrenner has a tv deal that affords him the luxury of having the largest payroll in baseball by 50+ million, and still having a positive operating income. He's driven by an ego that is backed up by actually drawing a profit every year.

No smart businessman is going to just throw away tens of millions of dollars a year, unless he has some sentimental ties with the project he has invested in. Donald, as far as I know, has little to no passion for the White Sox, or baseball in general.

Wayne Huizenga is a billionaire, but he dropped out of his baseball ownership because he wasn't comfortable with losing 30 million dollars/year on the Marlins, even if it bought them a World Series Title.

What we need is a relatively unknown with a large amount of economic resources, who wants to jump into baseball ownership to attain celebrity status, *cough*, Daniel Ziff.

jabrch
01-19-2004, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Deadguy
No smart businessman is going to just throw away tens of millions of dollars a year, unless he has some sentimental ties with the project he has invested in. Donald, as far as I know, has little to no passion for the White Sox, or baseball in general.



Deadguy - the problem is that he could buy this team, raise the payroll to 80mm and still be MAKING MONEY - not throwing tens of millions away.

Your statement assumes that JR is just breaking even and that every dollar spent is a dollar out of the ownerships pockets.

anewman35
01-19-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
Deadguy - the problem is that he could buy this team, raise the payroll to 80mm and still be MAKING MONEY - not throwing tens of millions away.

Your statement assumes that JR is just breaking even and that every dollar spent is a dollar out of the ownerships pockets.

Isn't it just as possible that he could raise the payroll to 80 million and lose tons of money? It's not just spending that wins games, it's spending wisely, and we have no indication whatsoever he would do that.

CubKilla
01-19-2004, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
It's not just spending that wins games, it's spending wisely, and we have no indication whatsoever he would do that.

A thought the current morons running this Organization into the ground ought to take to heart.

Brian26
01-19-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
hey, it if worked for Murph over on the score, to get
Baker the Bigot Hired, this could work for us

Murph's taking credit for that? I highly doubt he had a thing to do with it.

steff
01-19-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
This is the worst idea I've ever heard.



Ditto.

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Murph's taking credit for that? I highly doubt he had a thing to do with it.

Well, He used that Morning Show as a Personal Platform
to Call for that other guys Firing, and for Bakers Hiring.
He went on and on ad nauseum from March thru October,
on the cub network on a daily basis talking about whats wrong
with the Cubs and how this city deserved better (despite the SOX being in the same circumstance, that topic was virtually ignored)

His ranting for months, got the media campaign Against Baylor
Going. Why I say if we can accomplish the same thing, maybe
the Media can Run Reinsdorf out of town on a Rail also ........

lowesox
01-19-2004, 01:50 PM
Anybody is better than Reinsdorf. Especially since no Reinsdorf probably means no little puppet (Kenny) - so I'm all for it. Even if the payroll doesn't budge an inch.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-19-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Deadguy
The problem is Donald Trump doesn't need the White Sox to attain celebrity status. He already has it. His ego has been stroked enough over the years.

The thing about having a gigantic ego is that you can *never* stroke it enough. Trump's got his name on anything and everything he owns and still he keeps sticking his name on everything anyway. He is just the guy to spend money to *win* and satisfy the giant ego everyone knows him to have.

Originally posted by Deadguy
He doesn't have the resources that Steinbrenner has, since Steinbrenner has a tv deal that affords him the luxury of having the largest payroll in baseball by 50+ million, and still having a positive operating income. He's driven by an ego that is backed up by actually drawing a profit every year.

Huh? Trump could spend Steinbrenner under the table. Lots of baseball corporations like the Cubune and Disney could too, but as publicly-held companies they are too interested in making money for their investors. Trump (like Steinbrenner) has no such fiduciary duty. It's all about *ego* and both of these guys have it in abundance. The difference is Donald has more in his stash than George. Trump as Sox owner relegates Steinbrenner to #2 banana.

Originally posted by Deadguy
No smart businessman is going to just throw away tens of millions of dollars a year, unless he has some sentimental ties with the project he has invested in. Donald, as far as I know, has little to no passion for the White Sox, or baseball in general...

I've heard it suggested Reinsdorf is a smart businessman and he has delivered exactly zero for Sox Fans. What we're talking about here is having an owner *driven* to succeed on the field, not the bank. Trump has all the money he needs but he doesn't have a championship. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Deadguy
Wayne Huizenga is a billionaire, but he dropped out of his baseball ownership because he wasn't comfortable with losing 30 million dollars/year on the Marlins, even if it bought them a World Series Title.

What we need is a relatively unknown with a large amount of economic resources, who wants to jump into baseball ownership to attain celebrity status, *cough*, Daniel Ziff.

Oh **** the unknowns. We need somebody who wants to win. If Ziff has such an ego, let him prove it first by buying Atlantic City and sticking his name on every other building taller than 20 stories. I'll take the sure thing with Trump.

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 02:01 PM
Does Anyone Here, know of a person/fellow sox fan,
who would be willing to print up a bunch of Tshirts....
at cost for Us? Would love to have a TRUMP FOR OWNER
in Black and Silver

Deadguy
01-19-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
The thing about having a gigantic ego is that you can *never* stroke it enough. Trump's got his name on anything and everything he owns and still he keeps sticking his name on everything anyway. He is just the guy to spend money to *win* and satisfy the giant ego everyone knows him to have.

And you know he wants to have his ego stroked via baseball ownership, how? What indications have there ever been that he's interested in bringing a championship to this franchise or the city of Chicago?



Huh? Trump could spend Steinbrenner under the table.

He wouldn't be making money on the White Sox if he bumped our payroll up to the Yankees level. I seriously doubt he'd be willing to throw away 10s of millions of dollars a year, which George isn't doing.

Trump (like Steinbrenner) has no such fiduciary duty.

You know this how? What has Trump ever invested in that he continuously loses millions of dollars on every year?


I've heard it suggested Reinsdorf is a smart businessman and he has delivered exactly zero for Sox Fans. What we're talking about here is having an owner *driven* to succeed on the field, not the bank. Trump has all the money he needs but he doesn't have a championship. Nuff said.

Again, where do you get the idea he wants or needs a championship?



Oh **** the unknowns. We need somebody who wants to win. If Ziff has such an ego, let him prove it first by buying Atlantic City and sticking his name on every other building taller than 20 stories. I'll take the sure thing with Trump.

He's the youngest billionaire in America and hasn't had time to throw money around the way Trump has in the past.

Do you honestly equate a willingness to allocate gigantic sums of money in building a gigantic tower with your name on it to being willing to lose millions of dollars to bring a World Series championship to Chicago?

Hangar18
01-19-2004, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Deadguy
?What indications have there ever been that he's interested in bringing a championship to this franchise or the city of Chicago?

Again, where do you get the idea he wants or needs a championship?

Do you honestly equate a willingness .... to being willing to lose millions of dollars to bring a World Series championship to Chicago?

If he Brought a World Series Title to Chicago with the White Sox,
the Man would .....................OWN THE CITY FOREVER.
Thats Why. His Name would be Synonymous with winning,
known as the man that Made It Happen,
the ultimate challenge Conquered. Thats why.

tc1959
01-19-2004, 02:40 PM
Donald Trump was the owner of the New Jersey Generals in the USFL. Where has that league been for the last few years? Just think about this first before giving the Sox franchise to him. The owners of that league took it down as fast they could through their greed for power and money. The few fans that supported the USFL and the league players were hurt the most. If the USFL was run like it started out as a spring/summer league, not going head to head with the NFL, it could have have been a success.
But, when the owners thought they had a chance to go against the NFL and possibly have their better teams merged in to the NFL, just like the NFL/AFL merger. Donald Trump has money, but would he use it or just sit back like Jerry Reinsdorf. I'll vote for Jerry.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-19-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by tc1959
Donald Trump was the owner of the New Jersey Generals in the USFL. Where has that league been for the last few years? Just think about this first before giving the Sox franchise to him. The owners of that league took it down as fast they could through their greed for power and money. The few fans that supported the USFL and the league players were hurt the most. If the USFL was run like it started out as a spring/summer league, not going head to head with the NFL, it could have have been a success.
But, when the owners thought they had a chance to go against the NFL and possibly have their better teams merged in to the NFL, just like the NFL/AFL merger. Donald Trump has money, but would he use it or just sit back like Jerry Reinsdorf. I'll vote for Jerry.

The New Jersey Generals were *the* franchise of the USFL. They signed Herschel Walker, the biggest star in the league. He won the Heisman Trophy and would easily have been the biggest star of the rookies entering the NFL had Donald Trump not stolen him for his own team. If the league folded, it wasn't because Donald Trump wasn't doing all the right things to stroke his ego and make his team the preeminent one in the league. He could be counted on to do the same with the Sox.

As for Deadguy's doubting Thomas line of questions asked of me above...

I don't "know" anything about Trump, but I know plenty about Reinsdorf. I *know* Trump ownership gives us an infinitely greater chance of living to see a Sox championship than a Reinsdorf ownership ever will. That's plenty good enough for me, especially since the premise of this thread is deep pink FANTASY. As if anyone here could pick up the phone and call The Don on the phone or something...

Get with the program. The guy who owns the team today has absolved himself of any responsibility for their on-field mediocrity. He is the anti-Trump.

:reinsy
"It's all the fans' fault. Oh, and you're all crazy!"

Frater Perdurabo
01-19-2004, 06:10 PM
Trump can buy the Sox and the Sun-Times at the same time! This way the Sox would have their own propaganda outlet. Mariortti would be fired, too.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-19-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Frater Perdurabo
Trump can buy the Sox and the Sun-Times at the same time! This way the Sox would have their own propaganda outlet. Mariortti would be fired, too.

This fantasy just keeps getting better and better. Can we get Paris Hilton to serve canapes off her chest to the reporters when the new Trump/Sox/Sun-Times deal is announced?

:)

Paulwny
01-19-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
This fantasy just keeps getting better and better. Can we get Paris Hilton to serve canapes off her chest to the reporters when the new Trump/Sox/Sun-Times deal is announced?

:)

Ahhh, where can I purchase phoney press credentials ?

Frater Perdurabo
01-19-2004, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
This fantasy just keeps getting better and better. Can we get Paris Hilton to serve canapes off her chest to the reporters when the new Trump/Sox/Sun-Times deal is announced?

:)

Bite your lip and close your eyes...

Glad I could warm the cockels of your heart on a cold winter's night.

voodoochile
01-19-2004, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
This fantasy just keeps getting better and better. Can we get Paris Hilton to serve canapes off her chest to the reporters when the new Trump/Sox/Sun-Times deal is announced?

:)

Bring a camera and some booze and I am sure she will do it...

:)

PaleHoseGeorge
01-19-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Bring a camera and some booze and I am sure she will do it...

:)

You know, I'm thinking Trump's canapes trick with Paris Hilton ought to be just the ticket for getting some positive media coverage for his Chicago White Sox. How could they not love him after this stunt? :D:

:moron
"First Trump fires me from my Sun-Times job, and then I lose my chance at grabbing a foie gras off Paris Hilton's chest!"

:fans
"Finally we have our revenge!"

Daver
01-19-2004, 10:31 PM
:fluffy


See Jay,I told you that being a moron wouldn't pay off in the long term.