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HITMEN OF 77
01-16-2004, 07:15 PM
I as looking through some old media guides and noticed they had a day by day attendance count. It got me wondering, what's the smallest crowd ever at a home White Sox game? The smallest crowd I see was 511 on may 6th 1971 vs Boston, we lost 10-1. Anyone top that or better yet, were you at that game?

dickallen15
01-16-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
I as looking through some old media guides and noticed they had a day by day attendance count. It got me wondering, what's the smallest crowd ever at a home White Sox game? The smallest crowd I see was 511 on may 6th 1971 vs Boston, we lost 10-1. Anyone top that or better yet, were you at that game?

I was at a twi night doubleheader in 98 or 99 against Tampa Bay. It was pretty cold, and the first game was a make up game. That was back when the Sox had Stefan of Finley and Whitesnake fame dancing on the dugout. My friend and I got there with 2 out in the top of the first inning. We walked through the doors of the lower concourse and immediately heard McKay Christensen calling for a ball in CF, from the concourse behind homeplate. I will guarantee you, there were no more than 50 people in the stands at that time, and no more than 250 at the end of the first game. The Sox swept that doubleheader.

Lip Man 1
01-16-2004, 10:50 PM
On Luis Aparicio day in 1969 the Sox had like 600 people there, also on April 9, 1997 the Sox had 742 fans at home in a game against the Jays. Clemens shut them out in temperatures below freezing!

Yet our "fan friendly" ownership played the game anyway even though they knew the weather was bitter cold.

Lip

jamteh
01-16-2004, 10:52 PM
I was at a game against Detroit in September 2001. It was a doubleheader, and I'm guessing there were maybe 1,200 (at most) there for the first game. I remember the Sox reporter Lou Canellis trying to get fans to bunch up for an interview so it looked liked there were more people there. That was a great game though because it's the only time I ever got a foul ball.

voodoochile
01-16-2004, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
On Luis Aparicio day in 1969 the Sox had like 600 people there, also on April 9, 1997 the Sox had 742 fans at home in a game against the Jays. Clemens shut them out in temperatures below freezing!

Yet our "fan friendly" ownership played the game anyway even though they knew the weather was bitter cold.

Lip

IIRC, they were up against the Bulls at home during the 72 win season that night. They had canceled a game years before under similar circumstances that didn't need to get canceled (temps stayed in the mid-40's) and they were hyper-sensitive to being criticized again.

hold2dibber
01-17-2004, 12:51 AM
I was at a game at old Comiskey in the very late '70s or very early '80s against the Mariners at the end of the year in freezing weather, when the attendance was reportedly about 800 (if memory serves).

Thunderstruck30
01-17-2004, 01:12 AM
There was that game last season vs the Tigers when the game ended around 1:30. Id say there was about 750 people there at the very end. I was one of the people that left early.

soxnut
01-17-2004, 02:07 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lip Man 1
[B]On Luis Aparicio day in 1969 the Sox had like 600 people there,

The park must've had blue seats then........... :D:

HITMEN OF 77
01-17-2004, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
On Luis Aparicio day in 1969 the Sox had like 600 people there,

Lip

I will have to dig out the 1970 media guide and see what the actual number paid was for thsi game. 511 in still the lowest paid so far.

TommyJohn
01-17-2004, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
I will have to dig out the 1970 media guide and see what the actual number paid was for thsi game. 511 in still the lowest paid so far.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, I think Luis Aparicio day was in July
of 1970 on a Sunday and the attendance was in the area of
12,000. My source for this is "Who's On Third?" I tried to double-
check on www.retrosheet.org but they don't list AL game by game
box scores or attendance figures for 1970 so I'm stuck with my original hunch based on the book.

I do know from reading it (and in the Sun-Times of the day) that
Bill Melton hit his 30th HR that year before a crowd of 642. I
also remember a game in late 1986 that was a rain makeup DH.
For the first game there could not have been 100 people in the
stands. They crowd got a little bigger for game 2 and that was
the officially announced attendance for that day.

Deadguy
01-17-2004, 09:39 AM
I recall a game in April of 1997, where the reported paid attendance was 250.

It was makeup game, and I remember Sportscenter poking fun of the fact that Albert Belle made $65,000 that game, yet the gate receipts only totaled around $1,250, since they were letting people into the park for just $5 per ticket.

HITMEN OF 77
01-17-2004, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by TommyJohn
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, I think Luis Aparicio day was in July
of 1970 on a Sunday and the attendance was in the area of
12,000.

I'm pretty sure it was on Sunday in July '70, I will check the media guide for actual #'s and post them this afternoon.

Lip Man 1
01-17-2004, 01:54 PM
The Clemens game was played April 9, 1997. It was a day game and according to the 98 Sox media guide drew 743.

I'm not sure about the comment about going up against a Bulls playoff game since it was played in the day time but even if that was a factor with weather that brutal the Sox should have known they weren't going to get anybody anyway.

It cost them more to operate the park that day considering the number of fans who showed up. it should never have been played. Clemens beat Alvarez 5-0.

and you are correct (my mistake) Aparicio day was in 1970.


Lip

PaleHoseGeorge
01-17-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by soxnut
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
On Luis Aparicio day in 1969 the Sox had like 600 people there,

The park must've had blue seats then........... :D:

LOL! You know what is funny? They really *did have* blue seats back in '69!

So there you go... absolute proof that blue seats depress Sox ticket sales! :D:

:reinsy
"Doh! Why didn't someone tell me this before!"

:ohno
"You wouldn't have listened anyway."

voodoochile
01-17-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
The Clemens game was played April 9, 1997. It was a day game and according to the 98 Sox media guide drew 743.

I'm not sure about the comment about going up against a Bulls playoff game since it was played in the day time but even if that was a factor with weather that brutal the Sox should have known they weren't going to get anybody anyway.

It cost them more to operate the park that day considering the number of fans who showed up. it should never have been played. Clemens beat Alvarez 5-0.

Lip

Okay, maybe I am mis-remembering. The Bulls wouldn't have started the playoffs for another week or so, IIRC. But, they were toward the end of their record setting regular season run and people wanted to watch.

Maybe I have the circumstances mixed up and they scheduled a day game so as not to have that problem. I remember something about this at the time, but maybe it was a different year/game that I am thinking about.

vegyrex
01-17-2004, 04:37 PM
I was at Luis Aparicio day. :D:
I might even have a pic or two from that day. I have to see if my aunt tonia still has those pictures. I seem to remember more people than 511. 12,000 seems about right. I was 9 years old then. :smile:

HITMEN OF 77
01-17-2004, 06:15 PM
Just checked the media guide. Aparicio day was on Sunday July 19th 1970. It was a double header against Baltimore. Sox lsot the first game (8-2 Horlen got the loss) and won the night cap (7-3 Miller got the win). Total for both games was 18,587, so I would assume maybe half was at the day game, so 8,000 or so. In 1970 the Sox were BAD, but one of my favorite teams that year. They had many games that were around the 1,000 mark. 511 is still the crowd to beat.

DannyCaterFan
01-17-2004, 09:24 PM
I have been going to Sox games since opening day of 1960, when as an 8 year old, my father took me out of school to see the Sox win that day. I guess I learned alot from my Dad that day as on that May day in 1970, a friend of mine and I ditched afternoon college classes to attend that game. I do remember that there were less than 500 there that day and it was very cold.
Another time either in 1970 or 1971, the Sox were forced to schedule a Monday afternoon doubleheader in late September against Kansas City after the original games were rained out in KC. Sox Management decided to let everybody in the park for $1.00 each and you were able to sit anywhere. We once again ditched school and attended and were part of a croud of no more than 500. As I ponder all those games I attended, it's no wonder I never graduated.

Baby Fisk
01-17-2004, 10:09 PM
My god, what a slow off-season...

HITMEN OF 77
01-18-2004, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by DannyCaterFan
on that May day in 1970, a friend of mine and I ditched afternoon college classes to attend that game. I do remember that there were less than 500 there that day and it was very cold.
Another time either in 1970 or 1971, the Sox were forced to schedule a Monday afternoon doubleheader in late September against Kansas City after the original games were rained out in KC. Sox Management decided to let everybody in the park for $1.00 each and you were able to sit anywhere. We once again ditched school and attended and were part of a croud of no more than 500.

Back to the media guide once again and what do I see....On September 21, 1970 the Sox played the doubleheader you talked about vs KC. Sox won the first game 8-4, Wood got the win, lost the nightcap 8-2 Wynne picking up the loss and the total crowd for both games on that double header....672. Too bad it doesn't break down day/night attendance.

CiscoCarlos
01-18-2004, 09:17 PM
This is a great hot stove league conversation.

Hitmen of 77: Does your Media Guide cover 1969 games? I went to a May 17, 1969 game vs. the Senators. Gerry Nyman cleared the bases early on with a triple and went on to pitch a one-hitter, besting Camilio Pascual and stuffing such hitting greats as Bernie Allen. Final score: Sox 6-Se nators 0.

If I recall the final attendance was 497 (bitterly cold and wet weather, game should have been called), but my memory may be playing tricks.

The MLB record from that era, according to some sources, is an A's game at the Mausoleum in the 70s: total of 408.

Attending early-season games at old Comiskey in the freezing cold with absolutely no one else there was great. My brother got a foul ball off Walter Williams bat even though it bounced all over the place. No one was there to compete with him. And the beer vendor was always readily available, so my dad was in a good mood.

HITMEN OF 77
01-18-2004, 11:50 PM
Cisco Carlos:

They made media guides each year which showcased the team for that year and in the back had all the stats from the previous year. I don't have a 1970 media guide (which would show 1969 stats) and actually I have never seen one. I will do some research on this game.

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by CiscoCarlos
This is a great hot stove league conversation.

Hitmen of 77: Does your Media Guide cover 1969 games? I went to a May 17, 1969 game vs. the Senators. Gerry Nyman cleared the bases early on with a triple and went on to pitch a one-hitter, besting Camilio Pascual and stuffing such hitting greats as Bernie Allen. Final score: Sox 6-Se nators 0.


Correct information right down to the point Cisco Carlos! Great memory! It was a Saturday game, but I can't find any attendance figures. That was the closest the Sox would get to first the rest of the season. After that win, they were 3 1/2 out in 3rd place. By seaons end they were 29 out and in fifth.

Lip Man 1
01-19-2004, 12:34 AM
According to the 1970 White Sox media guide (I have every one since 1966) the game on May 17th had a attendance total of 1,981.

You were lucky with the win the Sox moved to 15-13 the next to last time they were over .500 that season! They finished 68-94. That game pushed their season attendance to 76,988 after 10 home dates!

Unbelieveable! They'd finish the YEAR at 589,546. No wonder they almost went to Milwaukee.

Lip

TommyJohn
01-19-2004, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
Correct information right down to the point Cisco Carlos! Great memory! It was a Saturday game, but I can't find any attendance figures. That was the closest the Sox would get to first the rest of the season. After that win, they were 3 1/2 out in 3rd place. By seaons end they were 29 out and in fifth.

Cisco and Hitmen:

I found the box score for that game at www.retrosheet.org.
Great place, I always go to it to doublecheck and see if my
memories of Sox games are holding up.

This says that Gerry Nyman hit a bases-clearing double in
the 4th and ended up on third after an error by Brant Alyea.
Attendance according to this was 1,981.

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
According to the 1970 White Sox media guide (I have every one since 1966) the game on May 17th had a attendance total of 1,981.


Hey Lip, who's on the cover(s) of the media guides from 1969 and 1970?

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by TommyJohn
Cisco and Hitmen:

I found the box score for that game at www.retrosheet.org.
Great place, I always go to it to doublecheck and see if my
memories of Sox games are holding up.

This says that Gerry Nyman hit a bases-clearing double in
the 4th and ended up on third after an error by Brant Alyea.
Attendance according to this was 1,981.

Thanks TJ, saved it in my favorite places. I wonder how Nyman spelled his first name? I've seen it Gerry and Jerry.

SSN721
01-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Thunderstruck30
There was that game last season vs the Tigers when the game ended around 1:30. Id say there was about 750 people there at the very end. I was one of the people that left early.

If memory serves that was the one where Dimitri Young hit a homer into right field off of Colon in the first that I think just landed yesterday. That game was awful, I think despite having great club seats my friend and I still left after the 6th. I think the game started at like 10:15 cuz of rain. Wish I had stuck around to see the Sox rally in the ninth though. Even though they didnt pull it out. :(:

Irishsox1
01-19-2004, 09:53 AM
I was at a Seattle game in 2000. It was a day game during the week. It rained the whole day and the game was delayed an hour and a half. The Sox started Scott Eyre. The game was close, but the Sox pulled away and won it. I would say there was 150 at the game. I was the only person in my section and I was very close to the dugout.

soxphotos
01-19-2004, 11:40 AM
1970 guide had a mural on the cover showing an infielder field a ball....exciting!

The Sox were cutting-edge in '69 and '70. Artificial turf on the infield only, the chain link home run fence erected 10 feet inside the outfield walls, the Big White Machine and blue sanitary socks. Who can ever forget Dan Adams, Bob Priddy, Don Secrist and the like!

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 12:32 PM
The '69 and '70 were so bad, but I just love those guys and those teams. Knoop, Hopkins, Williams, Melton, Berry, Herrmann, May and the rest. I wonder if the "Big White Machine" is still around or is scrap metal?

Lip Man 1
01-19-2004, 02:04 PM
Hitmen:

As far as the covers in 1969 it was a dark blue background with a right hander batter swinging. The batter is made up of small dots that form a picture (like you see in a newspaper)

In 1970 it was a stylitized (Picasso like) shot of a Sox infielder who I think is Aparicio becausee you can see a "11" on his sleeve.

As far as those seasons and the "Big White Machine," Ed Herrmann talked about that in his interview with WSI but you can ask him more himself. Here's his e-mail address:

hoggy@baseballmail.com

Lip

soxphotos
01-19-2004, 02:51 PM
A funny video clip of the Big White Machine exists. It was being driven around the warning track after a big victory in August 1972 against the Red Sox....talk about a garbage-magnet. All you see are beer cups (and anything else people had) being tossed at the thing. I hope they had enough common sense to install a leak-proof roof in it!

Perhaps Roland Hemond remembers what ever became of it as I never remember seeing it past 1972.

ewokpelts
01-19-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
According to the 1970 White Sox media guide (I have every one since 1966) the game on May 17th had a attendance total of 1,981.

You were lucky with the win the Sox moved to 15-13 the next to last time they were over .500 that season! They finished 68-94. That game pushed their season attendance to 76,988 after 10 home dates!

Unbelieveable! They'd finish the YEAR at 589,546. No wonder they almost went to Milwaukee.

Lip

the sox 2004 season ticket only attendance(10k a game) would be about 300 thousand more than that number.
Gene

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DannyCaterFan
01-19-2004, 04:30 PM
1970 was just an awlful year both at the gate and on the field. The Sox were managed by the uninterested Don Gutteridge, but still had a core of interesting players. I fondly recall the "Big White Machine" circling the field from the bullpen after a rare Sox victory. There was one bright spot from 1970.... In late September, Roland Hemond and Chuck Tanner came on board and infused life into the organization. By opening day 1971, there was new hope on the south side.

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 06:29 PM
Bill Melton set a single season HR record in 1970 for the Sox didn't he? I think it was 33.

Paulwny
01-19-2004, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
Bill Melton set a single season HR record in 1970 for the Sox didn't he? I think it was 33.

You are correct.

HITMEN OF 77
01-19-2004, 06:38 PM
1970 was also the last year Meister Brau was the beer sponsor (1968-1970), 1971 Falstaff took over.

Lip Man 1
01-19-2004, 11:30 PM
OK folks I must be insane but this has been bugging me for a couple of days so.....

I went through every one of my Sox media guides. They started listing attendence totals beginning with the 1968 guide (for the 67 season) along with a game by game recap.

Here's what we have.....

The 6th lowest figure belongs to 4/28/76 when 1,144 fans showed up to see the Sox lose to Milwaukee 4-1.

The 5th lowest figure belongs to 4/22/69 when 1,058 fans showed up to see the Sox lose to California 8-0.

The 4th lowest figure belongs to 4/10/70 when 1,036 fans showed up to see the Sox beat Milwaukee 5-4.

The 3rd lowest figure belongs to 4/9/97 when 746 fans showed up to see the Sox lose to Toronto 5-0. That day game had the lowest recorded starting temperature ever for a White Sox game, 28 degrees ! (Yet management played the game anyway!!)

The 2nd lowest figure belongs to 9/23/70 when 693 fans showed up to see the Sox beat Kansas City 6-0.

and the winner is.....

from the game on 5/6/71 when an incredible 511 fans showed up to see the Sox lose to Boston 10-1. Ironically Boston's starting pitcher (and winner naturally) was former Sox star pitcher Gary Peters.

Lip

HITMEN OF 77
01-20-2004, 03:15 AM
So I was right from the start with the 511 in May of '70 and just think of all the work we went through on this. It was fun though. :smile:

Sarah
01-20-2004, 10:19 AM
I'm not sure of the actual date, but I went to a game in the spring (April/May) of '99 or '00 against Detroit, and there were probably less than 300 people in the stands (I have no idea what the paid attendance was).

All I remember about the game was making constant hot chocolate runs, because there were no vendors and it was extremely unpleasant, cold weather.

-Sarah-

Dan H
01-20-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
Bill Melton set a single season HR record in 1970 for the Sox didn't he? I think it was 33.

Melton became the first Sox player to hit 30 homers for the Sox on Sepember 21 if I am not mistaken. 672 people came. His homer bounced off a compeletely empty upper deck and fell back on the field in left center. The franchise was in awful shape that year.

Lip Man 1
01-20-2004, 11:20 AM
Hit Man it was May of 71 not 70. I wonder if the weather had something to do with it that day. Cause the Sox were decent (as compared to 68, 69 and 70)

Lip

HITMEN OF 77
01-20-2004, 12:48 PM
Lip

Meant '71 not '70, thanks for keeping me straight. I wonder however how many people were at the first game of the doubleheader on 9-21-70 when only 672 paid? That was the total for BOTH games.

DannyCaterFan
01-20-2004, 02:04 PM
Like I said earlier, I was at that 9/21/70 doubleheader against KC. The attendence of 672 was the total for both games. Sox management let everyone in for a dollar a ticket and seating was not reserved. I sat right behind the Sox dugout and could almost hear everything new Sox manager Chuck Tanner was saying that day. This doubleheader was not on the schedule, and was added after back to back rainouts the week earlier in KC. The White Sox were the visitors that day.

Frater Perdurabo
01-20-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by DannyCaterFan
This doubleheader was not on the schedule, and was added after back to back rainouts the week earlier in KC. The White Sox were the visitors that day.

Did they have to bat first, sit in the 1B dugout and wear road uniforms in Comiskey Park? That would be weird.

DannyCaterFan
01-20-2004, 04:19 PM
Your right, it was weird. The Sox batted first, but sat in their regular dugout and wore their home uniforms. The upper deck was closed and only a few fans sat around each dugout.

HITMEN OF 77
01-20-2004, 04:48 PM
You went to both games, right? Was there more people at the 1st or 2nd game? What was the weather like?

DannyCaterFan
01-21-2004, 03:28 PM
It was a doubleheader, both games played back to back starting at 1:00 on a Monday afternoon in Late September. The crowd seemed like about 500 people and that was a total for both games. The weather was cool and cloudy!

HITMEN OF 77
01-21-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Frater Perdurabo
Did they have to bat first, sit in the 1B dugout and wear road uniforms in Comiskey Park? That would be weird.

That would have been strange seeing the Sox in there road uni's at Comiskey, however in 1970 those were my favorite Sox uniforms of all time, the road one's that is. The homes were Ok too.