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Brian26
01-12-2004, 03:26 PM
Sox signed Scho to a one-year deal and avoid arbitration per ESPN 1000 at 2:20 pm.

Palehose13
01-12-2004, 03:30 PM
:supernana: Woo-hooo! Now we don't have to worry about pitching!

mac9001
01-12-2004, 03:45 PM
CHICAGO The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year contract worth $1.725 million with pitcher Scott Schoeneweis, avoiding salary arbitration with the veteran left-hander.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_press_release.jsp?ymd=20040112&content_id=627171&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cha

Tekijawa
01-12-2004, 03:53 PM
I think 1.2 million of that contract was to be able to have someone on the team other than Ozzie to show Reiney what a World Series ring looks like... Be cause anything over the Minimum is too much for this guy!

mike squires
01-12-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by mac9001
CHICAGO The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year contract worth $1.725 million with pitcher Scott Schoeneweis, avoiding salary arbitration with the veteran left-hander.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_press_release.jsp?ymd=20040112&content_id=627171&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cha \

2 million dollars for an average at best pitcher. What has the world come to? :o: :(:

JRIG
01-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by mac9001
CHICAGO The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year contract worth $1.725 million with pitcher Scott Schoeneweis, avoiding salary arbitration with the veteran left-hander.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_press_release.jsp?ymd=20040112&content_id=627171&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cha

That giant sucking sound is KW throwing more of Reinsdorf's money down the drain.

rmusacch
01-12-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
That giant sucking sound is KW throwing more of Reinsdorf's money down the drain.

I am sure that Reinsdorf had final say on this.

JRIG
01-12-2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by rmusacch
I am sure that Reinsdorf had final say on this.

I don't see why he would be consulted, as long as KW stays under the budget Reinsdorf set for him.

Heck, if he were consulted, he may have said something like, "What are you doing? For $200,000 more than that we could have kept my favorite player for the next two seasons!"

TheRockinMT
01-12-2004, 06:13 PM
It will be interesting to see if Scott gets to start or if a couple prospects make a push for the 4 and 5 slots in the rotation.

lowesox
01-12-2004, 06:40 PM
This is a poor use of money.

CWSGuy406
01-12-2004, 07:00 PM
Terrible. Awful. They expect this guy to start, and he CANT GET OUT RIGHTIES? Hello!?!?! I'd rather see money go towards a bench player, another reliever, or a starter then to this bum. ok my rant is over. :angry:

Foulke You
01-12-2004, 07:33 PM
C'mon guys. This is a good (not great) but good signing for us:

While Schoeneweis certainly isn't the messiah to our pitching rotation problems, I think he could do a decent job for us in the #5 spot of the rotation. All he needs is 4 wins and he automatically improves upon what we got out of that spot last year. :D: Of course, with Bartolo gone, it is likely we need at least 9 or 10 wins out of that #5 spot. Whether Schoeneweis can do that or not for us remains to be seen but he HAS done it in the past. Scott's numbers as a starter aren't as bad as you think assuming you think of him as a #5 guy.

Scott Schoeneweis stats as a starter:
2000 7W-10L 5.45 E.R.A. 170IP 67BB 78K
2001 10W-11L 5.08 E.R.A. 205IP 77BB 104K
2002 9W-8L 4.88 E.R.A. 118IP 49BB 65K

While these numbers certainly won't make us forget Bartolo Colon, if we could get this type of performance out of our #5 starter as stated earlier, it will be leaps and bounds ahead of what we got out of that spot last year. If we got one of those Schoeneweis seasons above out of ANY #5 starter last year, at the very least we would have ended the season tied with Minnesota for the division lead. Another thing to note is that when healthy, Schoneweis has demonstrated that he can pitch 170-205 Innings (2000, 2001) which will go a long way towards patching the black hole of Innings Pitched left by Bartolo's departure.

Assuming KW can find us a #2 or #3 type starter via trade, I feel pretty good about this signing. Also, keep in mind that if Schoeneweis is a complete failure as a starter in 2004, he can always be used as a lefty specialist out of the bullpen. Either way, it shores up our pitching a little more.

Mickster
01-12-2004, 07:48 PM
According to the details of the contract, he can earn an additional $275,000 in bonuses based on starts: $25,000 for 10 starts and $50,000 each for 15, 18, 22, 24 and 26.


Looks like KW is trying to fill a SP void.

cubhater
01-12-2004, 07:52 PM
I'm getting season tix now!

JRIG
01-12-2004, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You

Scott Schoeneweis stats as a starter:
2000 7W-10L 5.45 E.R.A. 170IP 67BB 78K
2001 10W-11L 5.08 E.R.A. 205IP 77BB 104K
2002 9W-8L 4.88 E.R.A. 118IP 49BB 65K


Those numbers for the last year are incorrect. He was removed from the rotation middway through the season. Going back to the game log, we see his ERA as a starter that year was 5.34 and he had a WHIP of 1.53.

If you want to pay $2 million for that, be my guest.

duke of dorwood
01-12-2004, 10:04 PM
He's an adequate 5 th starter-too bad we dont have a fourth.

Foulke You
01-13-2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
Those numbers for the last year are incorrect. He was removed from the rotation middway through the season. Going back to the game log, we see his ERA as a starter that year was 5.34 and he had a WHIP of 1.53.

If you want to pay $2 million for that, be my guest.

I didn't know he was pulled from the rotation in 2002. I'm not sure how many of his wins were as a starter or as a reliever but you also conveniently ignored his 2000 and 2001 campaign as a starter because it doesn't support your opinion. If we could get a season like 00 or 01 (9 or 10 wins, 175-200 IP) out of Schoeneweis, then yes it will be well worth $1.75 million so we don't have to watch Dan Wright get shelled every 5th day and finish the season with 3 wins again. Remember people, this is a #5 guy. Now we just need to find a #4. :(:

mealfred13
01-13-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You
Also, keep in mind that if Schoeneweis is a complete failure as a starter in 2004, he can always be used as a lefty specialist out of the bullpen. Either way, it shores up our pitching a little more.

But really, how many more lefty specialists do we need? Marte, Wunsch, Schoenweiss.....

The only use I see for this guy is if he can do a decent job starting for us. He got rocked last year early on after we picked him up. I don't know if he's that great a reliever...

JRIG
01-13-2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You
I didn't know he was pulled from the rotation in 2002. I'm not sure how many of his wins were as a starter or as a reliever but you also conveniently ignored his 2000 and 2001 campaign as a starter because it doesn't support your opinion. If we could get a season like 00 or 01 (9 or 10 wins, 175-200 IP) out of Schoeneweis, then yes it will be well worth $1.75 million so we don't have to watch Dan Wright get shelled every 5th day and finish the season with 3 wins again. Remember people, this is a #5 guy. Now we just need to find a #4. :(:

2000 7W-10L 5.45 E.R.A. 170IP 67BB 78K
2001 10W-11L 5.08 E.R.A. 205IP 77BB 104K

An ERA over 5.00 each year and a strikeout rate of under 4.5 per 9 innings doesn't support my opinion?

If we don't have a pitcher in the organization who can come up and post a 5.00 ERA, a 1.45 WHIP, and more than 4.6 Ks per 9 innings for $300,000, then are in even deeper trouble than I could ever imagine. Just to clarify, he has never had an ERA under 5.08 as a starter or a WHIP under 1.42. Two years ago, Dan Wright had a 5.18 ERA, but had a 1.38 WHIP and a K rate of 6.23 per 9 innings.

Foulke You
01-13-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
2000 7W-10L 5.45 E.R.A. 170IP 67BB 78K
2001 10W-11L 5.08 E.R.A. 205IP 77BB 104K

An ERA over 5.00 each year and a strikeout rate of under 4.5 per 9 innings doesn't support my opinion?

If we don't have a pitcher in the organization who can come up and post a 5.00 ERA, a 1.45 WHIP, and more than 4.6 Ks per 9 innings for $300,000, then are in even deeper trouble than I could ever imagine. Just to clarify, he has never had an ERA under 5.08 as a starter or a WHIP under 1.42. Two years ago, Dan Wright had a 5.18 ERA, but had a 1.38 WHIP and a K rate of 6.23 per 9 innings.

Dan Wright as a starter last year was 0W-7L in 20 appearances and pitched a lousy 69.2 innings which means not only did he suck but he burned up the bullpen as well since he frequently got the hook early. Dan Wright made only 5 quality starts in 2003 and only lasted past the 6th inning 5 out of his 20 starts. Other people in our "vaunted" organization fared just as worse.

Josh Stewart went 1W-2L 5.96 E.R.A. in 25.2 I.P. and Neal Cotts was 1W-1L with an 8.10 E.R.A.

It doesn't appear to me that anyone in our organization is ready to be moved into the #5 spot based on last year's performances. I think Kenny Williams knows this and that is why he doled out the money for a veteran like Schoneweis.