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Foulke You
01-07-2004, 06:15 PM
The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year contract with a club option for 2005 with right-handed pitcher Cliff Politte.
Under terms of the contract, Politte (pronounced Po-LEET) will receive $800,000 in 2004 with the club option for $1.3 million in 2005.

It's Polite Time! (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_press_release.jsp?ymd=20040107&content_id=626161&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cha)

Tekijawa
01-07-2004, 06:19 PM
I hope they release what number he'll wear so I can run out and get his jersey made up before soxfest!

Mickster
01-07-2004, 06:26 PM
Good pickup for the $$

HITMEN OF 77
01-07-2004, 06:27 PM
Looks like he had decent numbers before the shoulder injury last year. Could turn out good for us, he's cheap enough!

tanko
01-07-2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Mickster
Good pickup for the $$

He's terrible

Dadawg_77
01-07-2004, 06:49 PM
Some BP number for you

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/current/rrereport03.html

TORONTO BLUE JAYS Park Effect: +3.4%
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Pitcher G IP R ARA APR IRnr/G EIRs/G IRP BRS RRA ARP
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Acevedo,J 14 12.7 8 5.50 -1.0 0.50 0.11 0.6 0.1 5.13 -0.5
Bowles,B 5 7.0 4 4.98 -0.2 1.20 0.35 -2.2 -0.9 7.07 -1.8
Chulk,V 3 5.3 3 4.90 -0.1 0.33 0.29 -0.1 0.3 5.41 -0.4
Creek,D 21 13.7 6 3.83 1.4 0.81 0.28 -2.2 2.4 7.15 -3.6
Davis,D 1 0.3 2 52.28 -1.8 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0 61.61 -2.1
Escobar,K 15 17.3 17 8.55 -7.3 0.07 0.01 -0.8 -0.9 8.49 -7.2
Kershner,J 40 54.0 21 3.39 8.3 0.85 0.30 1.2 0.1 3.29 8.9
Linton,D 7 9.0 3 2.90 1.9 1.00 0.37 -2.3 0.0 5.40 -0.6
Lopez,Aq 72 73.7 31 3.67 9.0 0.71 0.24 2.0 -2.1 3.32 11.9
Miller,T 79 52.7 30 4.96 -1.1 0.77 0.26 3.1 -2.2 4.11 3.9
Politte,C 54 49.3 32 5.65 -4.8 0.52 0.18 2.4 1.3 5.67 -4.9


IRP -- Inherited Runs Prevented.

The expected number of inherited runners the reliever prevented from scoring. If this number is positive, the reliever is chopping points off his teammates' RAs; if it's negative, he's adding points to his teammates' RAs. It is calculated by looking at the runners on base when the reliever enters the game, figuring out how many would be expected to score given their location on the bases and the number of outs, and comparing that number to (1) the number of inherited runners who actually did score, plus (2) if any of those inherited runners were still on base when the reliever left the game, how many would be expected to score from that state. The formula for a reliever's IRP for a game is

(EIR(sS,P)-EIR(sF, P)-IR) / pe(P)
where


EIR(s,P) is the number of runners that (1) the reliever inherited and (2) are currently on base in state s, who would be expected to score starting from bases/outs state s in park P,
sS is the bases/outs state when the reliever entered the game,
sF is the bases/outs state when the reliever left the game (EIR(sF) is
automatically 0 if the reliever doesn't leave in the same inning he started),
IR is the number of inherited runners that scored while the reliever was in the game, and
pe(P) is the park effect for P.

ARP -- Adjusted Runs Prevented.

The number of runs that the reliever prevented over an average pitcher, given the bases/outs situation when he entered and left each game, adjusted for league and park. The exact formula for a reliever's ARP for a game is

(ER(sS,P) - ER(sF,P) + IF*ER(s0,P) - R) / pe(P)
where


ER(s,P) is the expected number of runs that will score in the remainder of an inning starting in bases/outs state s in park P,
sS is the bases/outs state when the reliever entered the game,
sF is the bases/outs state when the reliever left the game,
IF is the number of innings the reliever finished,
s0 is a special state for the beginning of an inning (distinct from the state for no outs, none on),
R is the number of runs that scored while the reliever was in the game, and
pe(P) is the park effect for park P.

MarkV
01-07-2004, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
Looks like he had decent numbers before the shoulder injury last year. Could turn out good for us, he's cheap enough!

1-5, 12 SV, 5.66 ERA and injured the last half of the season.

Looks like we've got the 2004 AL Cy Young winner joining our bullpen!!!!

Foulke You
01-07-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by MarkV
1-5, 12 SV, 5.66 ERA and injured the last half of the season.

Looks like we've got the 2004 AL Cy Young winner joining our bullpen!!!!

C'mon guys, look at his career numbers. For the money, with Polite's history of being a solid setup man, it is worth it. I know it isn't something to write home about but at least they filled a hole in the bullpen. Polite should fill the 6th-7th inning middle relief spot that Sullivan had last year. This is the first positive free agent signing of the offseason for us, break out the champagne. :gulp:

Palehose13
01-07-2004, 07:40 PM
This is the first positive free agent signing of the offseason for us, break out the champagne.

Isn't this our only free-agent signing? But seriously, I agree with you. I think it is a good move for the money. None of us were too excited about gordon and Loiaza last year.

RedPinStripes
01-07-2004, 07:45 PM
It's a good thing we're fixing the problems in the bullpen!

soxfan26
01-07-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You
C'mon guys, look at his career numbers. For the money, with Polite's history of being a solid setup man, it is worth it. I know it isn't something to write home about but at least they filled a hole in the bullpen. Polite should fill the 6th-7th inning middle relief spot that Sullivan had last year. This is the first positive free agent signing of the offseason for us, break out the champagne. :gulp:

I might stick with the 'champagne of beers' and declare it Miller Time!

I agree it's a solid pickup. KW must have stolen a page from RichH55!!

PaulDrake
01-07-2004, 07:57 PM
If we're excited about this then we get excited rather easily.

anewman35
01-07-2004, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by tanko
He's terrible

How'd I know that was coming?

And where the "White Sox Breaking News" e-mail telling us all about this great signing?

kermittheefrog
01-07-2004, 08:34 PM
Anyone remember the last Blue Jay pitcher we signed with numbers this bad?

duke of dorwood
01-07-2004, 08:58 PM
I bet we battled Milwaukee hard for this guy

tanko
01-07-2004, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
How'd I know that was coming?

And where the "White Sox Breaking News" e-mail telling us all about this great signing?



Now that made me laugh

Soxfest
01-07-2004, 09:16 PM
Next time lets sign a real FA.....this blows

Chisox_cali
01-07-2004, 09:27 PM
Ah Yes.

Complain when the Sox don't sign "anybody"

Complain when they sign somebody.

Classic.

A. Cavatica
01-07-2004, 10:01 PM
This is obviously the first move in the campaign to rehabilitate Billy Koch. By May we'll be begging for him.

More seriously, it seems like a reasonable gamble for the money.

MRKARNO
01-07-2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Chisox_cali
Ah Yes.

Complain when the Sox don't sign "anybody"

Complain when they sign somebody.

Classic.

What's wrong with only wanting the best for our team?

jeremyb1
01-07-2004, 10:05 PM
I'm really tiring of all the complaining. We aren't making enough moves and we make a solid if unspectacular move and that serves as a reason to complain even more than before about our lack of moves? I don't understand. Was the alternative to sign Ponson but we signed Politte instead? As far as I can tell the alternative was no move so I don't see why this is a reason to complain.

Chisox_cali
01-07-2004, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
What's wrong with only wanting the best for our team?

And how do you know Politte won't make this team better in 2004? There is NO way to tell what he will or will not do for the Sox.

I think there was a certain player that was declared a FA after playing for the Blue Jays and was picked up by the Sox about a year ago, most if not everybody was down on him. His name escapes me at the time, but I think he did well for the Sox......

kittle42
01-07-2004, 10:54 PM
Great....another guy who has a name that no one around here will ever spell right.

Chisox_cali
01-07-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
Great....another guy who has a name that no one around here will ever spell right.

AHAHAHAHAHA!! :smile:

I actually did spell his name wrong in my previous post, had to edit it.

rcescato
01-07-2004, 11:08 PM
I think KW thought it was Andy Pettite. Thats why he is so excited. He thought Wow I got a steal on this one.
Rich

npdempse
01-08-2004, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by kittle42
Great....another guy who has a name that no one around here will ever spell right.

Every time I see it I want to mispronounce it po-lit-ee, and that makes me think of the awful 80s band Scritti Politti, of whom I can not remember a single tune. If Nancy can pull out references to Scritti Politti while he's pitching, I will be forever in awe.

Dadawg_77
01-08-2004, 12:17 AM
The guy is a middle reliever, he had a bad year last year, but with middle relievers it doesn't matter what happen last year as their performance tends to come and go. There are very few middle relievers who preform lights out year in and year out.

inta
01-08-2004, 02:01 AM
i'm not going to slam this trade, but i'm sure as hell not going to start crowing like the sox did something great.

this news belongs in the back of the paper next to the the story about the new grass at Arlington.

SSN721
01-08-2004, 07:46 AM
I don't know, I think it is a pretty solid move, if it works out, we get a great bargain, and if not, hey, we didn't get hosed or locked in a high money long term contract for the guy. I really don't understand how you can complain about this, just like the Uribe move. I think they have been solid moves for bench players or relievers, and for little money. I'm not happy we haven't made a splash with any big trades yet but I think the pickups we have made have been economical and potentially quite beneficial depending on the years these new guys have.

gosox41
01-08-2004, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
I'm really tiring of all the complaining. We aren't making enough moves and we make a solid if unspectacular move and that serves as a reason to complain even more than before about our lack of moves? I don't understand. Was the alternative to sign Ponson but we signed Politte instead? As far as I can tell the alternative was no move so I don't see why this is a reason to complain.

Politte is a good risk, but bottom line is he has arm problems and because of that anything the Sox get positive out of him I consider a bonus.

In a more perfect world, Politte would be the 5th or 6th guy in the bullpen, the rehab project. I'm certainly not complaining about signing Politte, but is that really the best the Sox can do? They still have a weak bullpen and could have gotten someone a lot better then Politte.

Bob

Procol Harum
01-08-2004, 10:22 AM
Politte--a decent pick-up for the money, worth taking a chance on who might help our MR situation. Now if we could only do something to shore up 2B, 1B, CF, C, the loss of a Grade A Major League utility infielder in Tony G., our general lack of team speed, our starting pitching, and the closer position we'd have some reasons to think this team might actually break .500 in 2004.

Where's that White Sox season ticket hotline number?? Sign me up for 50 seats!!

SoxxoS
01-08-2004, 11:33 AM
These are the kind of signings the Sox are good at.

Now that I think about it, that's about the ONLY thing the Sox are good at.

kittle42
01-08-2004, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
These are the kind of signings the Sox are good at.

Now that I think about it, that's about the ONLY thing the Sox are good at.

No. They are also good at:

- Alienating fans
- Looking horrible in the media and not attempting to overcome the Cubbie love
- Employing Roland Hemond (not that it's a bad thing - it's just that they're good at it)
- Overrating minor league pitchers

MHOUSE
01-08-2004, 01:22 PM
He could turn out all right and for only $800k it's worth a shot. If he does very well, then $1.3 mil next year will be a steal. If not, then he's gone. This is a good signing for a "small-market" club like the Sox. Good job Kenny, keep 'em coming.