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Realist
01-07-2004, 07:04 AM
Politte, 13-17 lifetime with a 4.52 ERA, has had success as a set-up man with Philadelphia and Toronto. He has held right-handed batters to a .218 average over the last three years.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-040106soxvergeofsignpolitte,1,322317.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines

Iguana775
01-07-2004, 08:26 AM
whoooooo....breakout the champaign!!!

jeremyb1
01-07-2004, 08:30 AM
It makes our bullpen significantly better so I'll take it.

tanko
01-07-2004, 08:47 AM
He is terrible

anewman35
01-07-2004, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by tanko
He is terrible

Really? I hadn't heard that.

poorme
01-07-2004, 09:37 AM
Some also criticized him for having poor body language

tanko
01-07-2004, 09:38 AM
This frustrates and angers me he is a head case who may not even pass his physical and people like this move.Are we that desperate to make a move

PaleHoseRon
01-07-2004, 09:43 AM
Politte + Uribe = World Series (I am not sure what color to put that in)!

TaylorStSox
01-07-2004, 09:49 AM
I really like the move alot. The bullpen could use a "right handed specialist." If used right, his numbers will probably be great.

Brian26
01-07-2004, 10:15 AM
I'm completely underwhelmed by this move.

TaylorStSox
01-07-2004, 10:17 AM
Anytime you can get a guy with his type of stuff for cheap, it's worth it.

tanko
01-07-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
Anytime you can get a guy with his type of stuff for cheap, it's worth it.


Yep any time you get a guy who can't get outs it's worth it. This guy is awful.

kittle42
01-07-2004, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by tanko
Yep any time you get a guy who can't get outs it's worth it. This guy is awful.

This sounds a lot like my Pat Hentgen argument. Now *he* sucks.

CubKilla
01-07-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
I'm completely underwhelmed by this move.

I had the same reaction. Whatever. Who'd have thought at the beginning of the '03-'04 offseason that by the end of the first week of January, the two signings the Sox would have made would be Uribe and, possibly, Politte. Meanwhile, the Cubs have inked D Lee, Hawkins, Barrett, and Walker. Way to inspire the masses JR!

hold2dibber
01-07-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by tanko
Are we that desperate to make a move

Yes.

The Sox really need another right handed reliever. This guy comes cheap and has been good for his entire MLB career, except for last year - and he was, reportedly, hurt most of last year. Seems like a low risk kind of move to me.

hold2dibber
01-07-2004, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by tanko
Yep any time you get a guy who can't get outs it's worth it. This guy is awful.

I understand your opinion, but you frankly it seems that your assesment of his worth is irrational. He had one bad year (last year) and he was hurt that year. Seems likely to me that his poor performance was due to his injury - he had always been pretty good previously. Tell me why I'm wrong.

Viva Magglio
01-07-2004, 11:41 AM
Who is our GM, former Charleston Chiefs GM Joe McGrath? I can just hear Ozzie Guillen saying to Kenny Williams...

"Boy, every piece of garbage that comes on the market you gotta buy it!"

fledgedrallycap
01-07-2004, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
Who is our GM, former Charleston Chiefs GM Joe McGrath? I can just hear Ozzie Guillen saying to Kenny Williams...

"Boy, every piece of garbage that comes on the market you gotta buy it!"

Yeah, but we're making the Cell look mean! :D:

Realist
01-07-2004, 11:53 AM
I don't know too much about this guy but his numbers prior to last year seemed above average and he was hurt last year.

I'm sorry but "this guy sucks" and "this guy is awful" are weak arguments against him. If he's so bad, I wish someone could be a little more specific as to HOW he's so bad.

soxtalker
01-07-2004, 11:53 AM
After reading the Tribune article closely, it isn't clear to me what the Sox would be paying him. It gives his 2003 salary with Toronto, but it isn't clear that this is the same salary for 2004. In other words, I'm not sure how much the Sox are risking here.

tanko
01-07-2004, 11:58 AM
Well I saw him pitch at least 30 times last year on TV he just looks uncomfortable on the mound even early on when he was effective you could just tell he was going to implode.He really lacks mental toughness you can just see it on his face.You guys don't know me so why would trust me but I've seen alot of baseball in my 35 years and this guy doesn't have it.Am I basing this on one year I guess I am but I'll be stunned if this guy is effective for any stretch of time.I hope I'm wrong I hope he pitches well for the Sox but I can't see it.

KingXerxes
01-07-2004, 11:59 AM
I think the bigger question here is "What do the White Sox think Politte's role is going to be?"

If it's a middle relief guy and we got him cheap - no problem, if they are penciling him in as the closer - well that's another story entirely.

tanko
01-07-2004, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by KingXerxes
I think the bigger question here is "What do the White Sox think Politte's role is going to be?"

If it's a middle relief guy and we got him cheap - no problem, if they are penciling him in as the closer - well that's another story entirely.


Agreed if he is the closer :whiner:

miker
01-07-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseRon
Politte + Uribe = World Series (I am not sure what color to put that in)!

Pipe-dream pink and sarcastic puke probably make some kind of vomit color.

Nevertheless, thanks to anti-depressants, I'm anticipating all of our question marks and gaping holes will have career years and we will win AL Central. Mmmmmmm....Zoloft!

Lip Man 1
01-07-2004, 12:35 PM
Cliff Politte! You mean the Cliff Politte???

Be still my beating heart.

The Yankees must be quaking in their boots!

Lip

TheRockinMT
01-07-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Realist
I don't know too much about this guy but his numbers prior to last year seemed above average and he was hurt last year.

I'm sorry but "this guy sucks" and "this guy is awful" are weak arguments against him. If he's so bad, I wish someone could be a little more specific as to HOW he's so bad.

The deals for Cliff Politte and Uribe will be the kind of transactions we should expect from the Sox. I am not going to verbally berate Cliff just make the point that if we have "no money" we will be signing the cheaper players. He may be a decent prospect and at least we know he was hurt last year where we didn't know that about Koch. The souting reports look decent and maybe we can be rewarded by a break out year?

pudge
01-07-2004, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by tanko
Well I saw him pitch at least 30 times last year on TV he just looks uncomfortable on the mound even early on when he was effective you could just tell he was going to implode.He really lacks mental toughness you can just see it on his face.You guys don't know me so why would trust me but I've seen alot of baseball in my 35 years and this guy doesn't have it.Am I basing this on one year I guess I am but I'll be stunned if this guy is effective for any stretch of time.I hope I'm wrong I hope he pitches well for the Sox but I can't see it.

Dude, the guy was injured... I'm sure he really did suck last season when you watched him, but this is not a huge deal, he's just going to be a middle guy, and if he pans out, hey, great. Think of it this way: he can't turn out much worse than Rick White, and remember how pleased most people were with getting White.

Brian26
01-07-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
He had one bad year (last year) and he was hurt that year. Seems likely to me that his poor performance was due to his injury - he had always been pretty good previously. Tell me why I'm wrong.

Did you read any of the stats in the newspaper this morning? After he came back from his injury, he did decent in August but his September was god-awful atrocious. So what's the excuse for that? (Don't have the paper in front of me, but his Sept ERA was somewhere near 9.00). Not sure about that "one bad year" comment, either. He had a decent 2002, but his ERA for some previous years was in the 4.50 to 5.50 range. Any reliever posting 5.00 ERA isn't that good. I'm sorry I don't have his numbers in front of me right now (which I know is always a risky thing to do on here), but I posted my comment literally minutes after reading his stats on the train this morning. His numbers weren't impressive at all.

itchy
01-07-2004, 01:23 PM
Last year at this time, the Jays were being touted for stealing Politte from the Phillies during the season. He pitched well until July, was hurt for a month, and had a poor last two months. It's reasonable to take a chance with him. He won't be put in a position to lose any games unless he pitches consistently well first. So what's the downside?

JasonC23
01-07-2004, 01:24 PM
I like this signing because it's of the "low cost, high potential" variety.

I hate the fact that all we have to talk about this offseason is this and the Uribe trade. :(:

kittle42
01-07-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by JasonC23
I like this signing because it's of the "low cost, high potential" variety.

Just like Cory Snyder and Chris Sabo.

steff
01-07-2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by JasonC23
I like this signing because it's of the "low cost, high potential" variety.


Loaiza..... kinda

Foulke You
01-07-2004, 01:51 PM
I don't see a lot of risk in signing Polite. He could become a huge part of our 2004 bullpen or he could become the next Rick White. In any case, we don't lose much if he sucks. I give the thumbs up on this move. KW doesn't have a lot of flexibility so he needs to shop for "Blue Light Specials" to fill holes. If Polite works out, he fills the hole left by Scott Sullivan's departure.

duke of dorwood
01-07-2004, 01:58 PM
I'd rather have risk with a potential upside-IS THIS THE WAY WE REPLACE TOM GORDON?

anewman35
01-07-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Cliff Politte! You mean the Cliff Politte???

Be still my beating heart.

The Yankees must be quaking in their boots!

Lip

Good thing it's not the Yankees we have to beat out for a playoff spot, then.

lowesox
01-07-2004, 02:34 PM
Poor Cliff Politte. Here's a guy who's put together some decent career numbers and yet he's being treated like the second coming of Jaime Navarro just because our management has done such a pathetic job of bringing in other good players.

I think this is a decent move. To bad there weren't 10 others like it.

jeremyb1
01-07-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
I'd rather have risk with a potential upside-IS THIS THE WAY WE REPLACE TOM GORDON?

I don't see why Pollitte lacks upside. Gordon certainly had issues coming into last season and Pollitte has strong career numbers and pitched well other than a couple months last season.

hold2dibber
01-07-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Did you read any of the stats in the newspaper this morning? After he came back from his injury, he did decent in August but his September was god-awful atrocious. So what's the excuse for that? (Don't have the paper in front of me, but his Sept ERA was somewhere near 9.00). Not sure about that "one bad year" comment, either. He had a decent 2002, but his ERA for some previous years was in the 4.50 to 5.50 range. Any reliever posting 5.00 ERA isn't that good. I'm sorry I don't have his numbers in front of me right now (which I know is always a risky thing to do on here), but I posted my comment literally minutes after reading his stats on the train this morning. His numbers weren't impressive at all.

'00 ERA: 3.66
'01 ERA: 2.42
'02 ERA: 3.67
'03 ERA: 5.66

So for the three years prior to last year, he was pretty good. Don't get me wrong, he's no Keith Foulke, but he was a useful major league pitcher. As you note, the article in the Trib suggests that he was hurt last year until August. In August he posted a 2.08 ERA in just 8 innings. In September he had a 9.64 ERA but in only 4 innings - a sample size that means nothing. Overall, after the All-Star break, he had a 4.01 ERA and a BAA of .179. Again, the sample size is small (15 IP), but those numbers seem to suggest that the arm pain may have caused him problems in the first half of the year but that he was healthy thereafter and consequently pitched more in line with his performance over the prior 3 years.

Again, I'm not exactly bowled over by this move, but assuming he's not going to be paid more than $1 million, seems like a reasonably good pick up by KW.

jeremyb1
01-07-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
Who is our GM, former Charleston Chiefs GM Joe McGrath? I can just hear Ozzie Guillen saying to Kenny Williams...

"Boy, every piece of garbage that comes on the market you gotta buy it!"

Yeah I guess we just missed out on Hawkins so we settled on Politte as his replacement. I certainly would've rather had a better addition to the bullpen, but lets be realistic here. If you were holding out for a top flight set up pitcher I don't feel too sorry for you. We've made next to no moves all offseason and we're four million over budget. Considering the circumstances it would've been naive to hope for anything more at this point.

petekat
01-07-2004, 03:25 PM
tanko did Politte burn your homestead and rape your livestock? what gives? where's the love?

ChiSox14305635
01-07-2004, 03:31 PM
Estaban Loaiza, Sean Lowe, Cal Eldred. All low risk guys that worked out for us, even albeit briefly. I like this potential signing of Politte. If he works out better than Rick White did, it's a good signing.

petekat
01-07-2004, 03:35 PM
Recycled from an earlier post:

Cliff Politte

2003- 3.7 ERA against playoff teams

2002- 25 holds, 1 save, 3 blown saves

Only bad yr was last yr- despite getting roughed up- his secondary #s were decent since 99 he has avg about 7.5-9 K/IP.

STATS scouting profile:

" Politte could mature into a closer. He has excellent command of an overpowering four-seam fastball that is clocked regularly at 96 MPH and goes up to 98. He hits both sides of the plate, up and down. His slider runs 88-90 MPH, and he works in a two-seam fastball and a changeup. In his few chances, he showed well as a fielder. He is quick to the plate with a simple delivery and can get the ball home in 1.2 seconds, which should make him difficult to run on."

habibharu
01-07-2004, 05:07 PM
who cares about politte?
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"whoopdi-freakin-do!"

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-07-2004, 05:24 PM
:reinsy
I signed Kelly Dransfeldt and traded for Jaun Uribe. I also signed the best possible coach in Ozzie Guillen. I'm thinking about signing Politte and you guys are whining? What is the last time you did anything for me? None of you come to the ballpark! It's all your fault!

:(: :sellreinsy

lowesox
01-07-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
If you were holding out for a top flight set up pitcher I don't feel too sorry for you. We've made next to no moves all offseason and we're four million over budget. Considering the circumstances it would've been naive to hope for anything more at this point.

Personally, I'd rather have Hawkins with Uribe at SS than Valentin and Politte.

tanko
01-07-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by petekat
tanko did Politte burn your homestead and rape your livestock? what gives? where's the love?


I hate the Blue Jays and took pleasure over how bad he was and he's a Sox this really hurts.

Lip Man 1
01-07-2004, 06:54 PM
Anewman says:

Good thing it's not the Yankees we have to beat out for a playoff spot, then.

Am I to assume from your post that you are satisfied to win the worst division in baseball?

Because if the Sox do win it they'll get blown apart by the Yankees, Red Sox, A's, Mariners or Angels (take your pick...)

I'm sorry my expectations are higher and I don't want to rely on "luck" to get them. Pollitt might turn out to be a nice signing but it's the same as the little Dutch boy trying to plug ten holes. Far to little (and I don't mean Bryan Little!).

Lip

joecrede
01-07-2004, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Anewman says:

Good thing it's not the Yankees we have to beat out for a playoff spot, then.

Am I to assume from your post that you are satisfied to win the worst division in baseball?

Because if the Sox do win it they'll get blown apart by the Yankees, Red Sox, A's, Mariners or Angels (take your pick...)

I'm sorry my expectations are higher and I don't want to rely on "luck" to get them. Pollitt might turn out to be a nice signing but it's the same as the little Dutch boy trying to plug ten holes. Far to little (and I don't mean Bryan Little!).

Lip

Certainly the Yankees will be favored in any best-of-five series they play but Lip you know all to well that anything can happen in a short series.