No more shower in left field

[soxnut]

Originally posted by gosox41
Time for a rant.


I've asked those same questions here before. And I've asked them to people that continually bash JR for just about anything he does to people who drive a couple hundered miles to see as many games as they can. The most popular answer is because of tradition. Most people have memories of their families going to Sox games when they were kids. That's why they won't give it up.

And I know certain traditions are important, but that's got to be the lamest reason to give someone you hate so much your money. Do people really think their relatives would have kept going to games in the name of tradition after being treated this way by JR. Ther are people here who spend countless hours ripping Sox ownership. Ye they still support the team by using escuses like "We're supporting the uniform, not theownership." Well, no, not really because these are the same people who think JR is making money hand over fist. So of course they're supporting him more then whatever rent-a-player the Sox happen to have in uninform that year.

I would love to see these JR bashers take action and not show up to games. But have you seen the list of those going to Sox Fest on another thread. Plenty of Sox bashers there. But now they're paying all this money to get smoke blown up their butt's by JR and his lackey's. Do they really do this so they can go have drinks with fellow WSI'ers, most of whom hate JR? Why not have a seperate meeting place and go drink there? Another lame excuse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. All the talk in the world about hoping JR sells or spends more isn't going to matter one iota. Not showing up and giving JR your money will FORCE him to do something. But as long as fans continue to show and are pissed off, there's no reason for JR to do anything different then what he has been doing. JR doesn't allocate his money by the reasons people attend a game. It's all the same to him.

Bob

Hey Bob...this whole not going to the park thing..............is not working. The Sox don't draw well compared to most teams.....so really most people aren't going, and it's not forcing JR to spend any more money. He's making money either way, whether you go or not. (that attendance clause thing is a sweet deal)

So, we might as well go, tell Jerry he's doing a great job and maybe then he'll start spending. You see, when people have big egos, the only way to get what you want from them is to stroke their ego. Trying to do the opposite just makes them mad and have an attitude of "I'll show them......" So until all of you who don't go to the park, figure that out, we're stuck with the situation that we have today. I plan on going to at least 10 games this year, btw :cool:

[Lip Man 1]

Soxnut says:

So, we might as well go, tell Jerry he's doing a great job and maybe then he'll start spending.

There's an old saying, fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me.

Lip

[Iwritecode]

Originally posted by soxnut
So, we might as well go, tell Jerry he's doing a great job

I'm sorry, I wouldn't be able to do that and keep a straight face...

[soxnut]

Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Soxnut says:

So, we might as well go, tell Jerry he's doing a great job and maybe then he'll start spending.

There's an old saying, fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me.

Lip

Hey, it was just a thought from the bizarro world.................... :(:

[Whitesox029]

Originally posted by doctor30th
Whitesox029 by what you say I'm am starting to believe you Call JR Uncle Jerry because he is literally your uncle. But I do think your argument has alot of merit.

Haha, incidentally he's not my uncle....I hate him as much as any Sox fan, and I really tried (and failed?) not to sound like I was taking his side. But to look at it in an unbiased way (and I know that's not the way of a WSI patron, but bear with me), that's the straightforward way of thinking of the situation; like I say he's happy the way it is, so it's we who have to change something.

Thanks for agreeing with me though, doc I don't get a lot of agreement in threads for some reason.

Originally posted by voodoochile
Sure, I'll help make the first move. When exactly were you planning on picketing the ballpark with "Sell Jerry Sell" signs? I am SO there...

The flubbies are an exception. When Addison and Clark became a huge adult playground a while back, the flubbies fell into a can't miss profit and attendance situation. Most teams aren't like that.

Nothing would please me more than for someone to make a t-shirt out of that.

You are right about the Cubs I suppose. But theoretically there are two different kinds of success in sports. If anyone can think of a better example, let me know.

[red faber]

Originally posted by Whitesox029
To get down to the bare bones of my argument--yes, sports is an exception to the rule.
In most businesses, success means one thing--make a profit. In sports and maybe a few select other businesses (an example of which I cannot think at the moment) there are two kinds of success--the money kind and the championship kind. To illustrate this, I use the example of Tribune Co. and the Cubs. The Trib makes a killing on the team each year. They are a financial success. An example of the type of success that your local Taco Bell strives for. The Cubs however are by no means an example of championship success to date. Not even close. Maybe this is due to the fact that the trib could care less about winning because they're making money, or it may just be Cubness. Either way, there are two kinds of success in sports.

You say "you gotta spend money to make money." This phrase can be loosely rearranged to say "You gotta spend money to get what you want" and then rearranged again to say "You gotta spend money to see a championship team on the field."

My last thing is that this is a standstill that benefits no one but Uncle Jerry. Like it or not, he does not care about the fans. Thus, he IS NEVER GOING TO make the proverbial "first move." We must make a move. If he does make a second move in response--great. If not, tough cookies. We take our move back and stop attending again. It's a chance we have to take because things aren't getting any better as it is.

This is all theoretical of course, since I seem to be in the minority on this view and there's no way I could get the entire community of Sox fans to rally behind me in making this "first move."

Thank you for taking time to read my novel.


hate to break it to you,but success in all businesses is making money!!!!!

and sports is NO exception!!!
i'm pretty sure that all sports owners want to win championships,but i'll guarantee you that the#1 priority for all of them is to make profit.if that isn't a #1 priority then you have no business running a business.there may be more than one kind of success is sports,but one,is definately a higher goal than the other.and that goal is making money!!!!
and that is universal!!!!!!!


"you gotta spend money to make money"doesn't really have to be rearranged at all,because getting "what you want"and" putting a championship team on the field" both go hand in hand with it.or at least they can,and those are made possible by the fans.however those aren't going come to fruition for you if you just piss them off all the time.

once again why do we have to make the first move?????
and if we do who's to say that he won't just pocket that money as well???.and if he doesn't care about us the why in the hell should we just give him our money.i don't know about you,but i pretty sure that i speak for a lot of sox fanswhen i say that,if i'm going to give that old moron my money,there had better damn well be a second move on his part,and not just any second move!!!.a second move that will help this team become a"CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER"ballclub.but the problem is,i'm just not sure that he will do it even if we do make the first move...

why should i spend my money on a maybe??????

why should we give mour money to a person that doesn't really care about us????

[PaleHoseGeorge]

Originally posted by red faber
hate to break it to you,but success in all businesses is making money!!!!!

and sports is NO exception!!!

Damn. Chief Justice Holmes ruled baseball was a pastime. I hate when the Supreme Court gets it wrong. Too bad we didn't have you around to set him straight back in 1920. :smile:

:tool
"Hey Red, ex-nay on the anti-trust exemption er-way!"

[Whitesox029]

Originally posted by red faber
hate to break it to you,but success in all businesses is making money!!!!!

and sports is NO exception!!!
i'm pretty sure that all sports owners want to win championships,but i'll guarantee you that the#1 priority for all of them is to make profit.if that isn't a #1 priority then you have no business running a business.there may be more than one kind of success is sports,but one,is definately a higher goal than the other.and that goal is making money!!!!
and that is universal!!!!!!!


"you gotta spend money to make money"doesn't really have to be rearranged at all,because getting "what you want"and" putting a championship team on the field" both go hand in hand with it.or at least they can,and those are made possible by the fans.however those aren't going come to fruition for you if you just piss them off all the time.

once again why do we have to make the first move?????
and if we do who's to say that he won't just pocket that money as well???.and if he doesn't care about us the why in the hell should we just give him our money.i don't know about you,but i pretty sure that i speak for a lot of sox fanswhen i say that,if i'm going to give that old moron my money,there had better damn well be a second move on his part,and not just any second move!!!.a second move that will help this team become a"CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER"ballclub.but the problem is,i'm just not sure that he will do it even if we do make the first move...

why should i spend my money on a maybe??????

why should we give mour money to a person that doesn't really care about us????

Why? Because it's not getting any better the way it stands--I think I've made it clear that the man isn't going to make the proverbial "first move". He's not. Won't happen. Let's look at our options, ruling out the possiblity he will act first (because, did I mention--he won't):
1.) Sit as we are in the usual stalemate.
If we take this road, we will forever be the mediocre ballclub that we are and have been since 1995. We will win a few divisions, but we will never compete in the playoffs. This is 100%. No chance of it not happening if we take this route.
2.) Start going to games.
This road has all the risks of the previous one, except that the chances of improvement are slightly better than 0%. they may even be better than 25%.

You almost sound to me like your own top priority is your money and not your ballclub. You sound just like Jerry. You sound like you don't care how much we lose, as long as you can keep the dough.
That's it for me-- this debate could probably go on forever, but it's getting old, so I'll just end with a quote:
"Money/so they say/is the root of all evil today" -Pink Floyd

[Lip Man 1]

WhiteSox029 says:

We will forever be the mediocre ballclub that we are and have been since 1995.

Just wondering...who caused that 1993-94 team to become mediocre? Hmmmmm.....

But to get to your point. Jerry Reinsdorf is soon to be 68, if we've waited since the labor impasse, the White Flag Trade and three rebuilding efforts in the past ten years I think we can wait another five years and roll the dice with a new owner.

Lip

[Whitesox029]

Originally posted by Lip Man 1

Just wondering...who caused that 1993-94 team to become mediocre? Hmmmmm.....

But to get to your point. Jerry Reinsdorf is soon to be 68, if we've waited since the labor impasse, the White Flag Trade and three rebuilding efforts in the past ten years I think we can wait another five years and roll the dice with a new owner.

Lip [/B]

Why don't we just conquer him by force and send him to Elba like they did to Napoleon.

[red faber]

Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Damn. Chief Justice Holmes ruled baseball was a pastime. I hate when the Supreme Court gets it wrong. Too bad we didn't have you around to set him straight back in 1920. :smile:

:tool
"Hey Red, ex-nay on the anti-trust exemption er-way!"


hey,i only speak the truth!!!!!

who runs a business and doesn't want to make money??????

[red faber]

Originally posted by Whitesox029
Why? Because it's not getting any better the way it stands--I think I've made it clear that the man isn't going to make the proverbial "first move". He's not. Won't happen. Let's look at our options, ruling out the possiblity he will act first (because, did I mention--he won't):
1.) Sit as we are in the usual stalemate.
If we take this road, we will forever be the mediocre ballclub that we are and have been since 1995. We will win a few divisions, but we will never compete in the playoffs. This is 100%. No chance of it not happening if we take this route.
2.) Start going to games.
This road has all the risks of the previous one, except that the chances of improvement are slightly better than 0%. they may even be better than 25%.

You almost sound to me like your own top priority is your money and not your ballclub. You sound just like Jerry. You sound like you don't care how much we lose, as long as you can keep the dough.
That's it for me-- this debate could probably go on forever, but it's getting old, so I'll just end with a quote:
"Money/so they say/is the root of all evil today" -Pink Floyd


no ,my priority is not wasting my money on a team that doesn't really care about winning!!!


and dude what's with the guilt trips??????

to say that i don't care how much we lose as long as i keep my money is just absolutely ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!!

the minute the sox show me that they have a sincere commitment to winning,AND NOT BEFORE THEN,is when i will give them more of my money.

it's pretty obvious that he won't make the first move,but how do we know that he will even make a second move????????

maybe you have money to waste on a team that gives you a bunch of bullcrap in return,BUT I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if anything the DESIRE for money,and the GREED created by DESIRE for money is the root of all evil!!!!!!!!

[red faber]

Originally posted by Whitesox029
Why don't we just conquer him by force and send him to Elba like they did to Napoleon.


that old fool wouldn't be worth the air fare!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Whitesox029]

Originally posted by red faber
no ,my priority is not wasting my money on a team that doesn't really care about winning!!!


and dude what's with the guilt trips??????

to say that i don't care how much we lose as long as i keep my money is just absolutely ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!!

the minute the sox show me that they have a sincere commitment to winning,AND NOT BEFORE THEN,is when i will give them more of my money.

it's pretty obvious that he won't make the first move,but how do we know that he will even make a second move????????

maybe you have money to waste on a team that gives you a bunch of bullcrap in return,BUT I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if anything the DESIRE for money,and the GREED created by DESIRE for money is the root of all evil!!!!!!!!

Well if you go back and look at that post you put up, you sure sounded like you cared more about the money. Even in this last one you seem to be contradicting yourself--Allow me to ask the peanut gallery whether they think red is a bit contradictory here...I don't doubt you really do value winning more, but you could help your cause by making it sound more convincing I think.

I'll use the same phrase I used in the "Paulie Konerko" thread: Let's agree to disagree (mostly because I'm sick of coming back here to rephrase my same basic argument over and over).

Oh and I never said anything about flying him to Elba--I thought we should make him swim.

[red faber]

Originally posted by Whitesox029
Well if you go back and look at that post you put up, you sure sounded like you cared more about the money. Even in this last one you seem to be contradicting yourself--Allow me to ask the peanut gallery whether they think red is a bit contradictory here...I don't doubt you really do value winning more, but you could help your cause by making it sound more convincing I think.

I'll use the same phrase I used in the "Paulie Konerko" thread: Let's agree to disagree (mostly because I'm sick of coming back here to rephrase my same basic argument over and over).

Oh and I never said anything about flying him to Elba--I thought we should make him swim.

how exactly am i contradicitng myself??????

all i care about is the sox winning,AND I WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO PART WITH THE CASH IF THEY SHOW ME THAT THEY WANT TO WIN.but like i've stated before, they actually have to show me that they ACTUALLY want to win before i will do such!!!


i'm NOT going to give them my money if they don't show me they deserve it

if that makes me look like i'm contradicting myself,then so be it!!!!!

[JKryl]

I have to agree with phaedrus, it's not just the shower, it's the continued erosion of traditions that make it so sad. Not just the shower, but the shower plus all the rest that seems to be an effort on the part of JR to reshape the team in his image. I think he still has a resentment of Bill Veeck, and is trying to drag the team as far as possible in the opposite direction. He sees the Scrubs success, and instead of trying to appeal to the fans already there, he tries to appeal to the in-betweens (neither Scrub nor Sox fan) in an effort to fill the seats. Oh, to hear Andy the Clown once again...
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[bennyw41]

Originally posted by JKryl
I have to agree with phaedrus, it's not just the shower, it's the continued erosion of traditions that make it so sad. Not just the shower, but the shower plus all the rest that seems to be an effort on the part of JR to reshape the team in his image. I think he still has a resentment of Bill Veeck, and is trying to drag the team as far as possible in the opposite direction. He sees the Scrubs success, and instead of trying to appeal to the fans already there, he tries to appeal to the in-betweens (neither Scrub nor Sox fan) in an effort to fill the seats. Oh, to hear Andy the Clown once again...
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No offense, but how can you fault an owner for wanting to make the team his own team. Granted, Bill Veeck was an innovator, but we need to let things go, otherwise we sit around complaining about the '69 cubs like scrub fans. All things must come to an end, you can talk all about symbolism, but FOR GOD SAKES IT TRULY IS ONLY A SHOWER. The diamond is still the same, and you should be worried about what happens on the field, not who is getting doused in left field. The whole shower idea was tainted anyways when they put it up for sponsorship. Don't rationalize it by saying that it was part of the experience, so is a lot of bad things that were gimmicks that went away. I am so surprised(angered) that this thread is around. Andy the clown got charged for some sort of sex crime, and next you'll be clamoring for that stupid DJ steve to be dancing on the dugout. Listen, things change, the game changes, you need to move with the change and accept it. Getting rid of a shower is the least of our worries. Sometimes i feel like many sox fans find something to gripe about when it isn't neccesarry.

[phaedrus]

not to drag this thread on forever but...

let me ask you a question then - if it's only about the game on the diamond why not just root for the team that's going to play the best baseball every year? what you're saying is that you're a fan of the game, not the team. if you disagree, what is that loyalty to the team based on if not tradition and memories? the fact of the matter is I don't care about the shower much myself but I'm sick of seeing the sox throw away the things that make the franchise valuable.

[bennyw41]

First off, you missed my point completley. When i say the game, i only know how to root for one team, thats the white sox. What I meant is that shower or not, we root for the team, when we start b#$ching about non-baseball things, we sound like the cubs. If people would stop worrying about the park, and support the team out there, then we would be better off. Yes its nice to have a cool park, but 14 years ago, our owner decided that it wasn't a top priority, so lets get over it.

[Chisox353014]

Originally posted by JKryl
I have to agree with phaedrus, it's not just the shower, it's the continued erosion of traditions that make it so sad.


The Sox have to have, by a wide margin, the least known history of any team that's been around for a long period of time. Ask someone who's not a Sox fan what they think of when they think of the White Sox and what would they say? What is the franchise's identity? Is there any one consensus answer?
Part of the reason why the Flubs and Red Sox and Yankees are so loved by the media and general public is they have symbols and traditions that everyone knows about. The ivy. The Green Monster. Yankee pinstripes.
Outside of maybe the exploding scoreboard, the Sox don't have much that the casual baseball fan immediately recognizes. The franchise can barely keep the same uniform for more than a few years. The shower is one of the few things that is truly unique to the White Sox. For that reason alone it should be preserved.

[phaedrus]

Originally posted by bennyw41
First off, you missed my point completley. When i say the game, i only know how to root for one team, thats the white sox. What I meant is that shower or not, we root for the team, when we start b#$ching about non-baseball things, we sound like the cubs. If people would stop worrying about the park, and support the team out there, then we would be better off. Yes its nice to have a cool park, but 14 years ago, our owner decided that it wasn't a top priority, so lets get over it.


the question still is - why do you root for the team?

[soxnut]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chisox353014
[B]. The franchise can barely keep the same uniform for more than a few years.

The Sox have had basically the same uniform going on 14 years and generally the same type of uniform for quite a bit of its existence.

[bennyw41]

Originally posted by phaedrus
the question still is - why do you root for the team?

Don't question my loyalty. I love the White Sox. I don't love a shower in left field. I hate when people romanticize baseball to the point of going on for 20 pages on a freakin shower.

[Chisox353014]

Originally posted by soxnut

The Sox have had basically the same uniform going on 14 years and generally the same type of uniform for quite a bit of its existence.

This is true to a certain extent, but they've also had 5 completely different uniform styles in the time I've been a fan (I just turned 30). That's a uniform change every 6 years. 70's Red pinstripes...navy blue/white "blouse" unis...red, white and blue pajama unis...Blue and red late 80's unis with the "C" that looked like an "E" on the caps...current black, silver and white ones. I do hope they keep these as the permanent version.

[soxnut]

Just a note in case it hasn't been mentioned regarding the shower...

In one of the Sox brochures for 2004, it mentions "families cooling off in the historical shower"...so, take it for what it's worth.... :smile:

[ode to veeck]

This is true to a certain extent, but they've also had 5 completely different uniform styles in the time I've been a fan (I just turned 30). That's a uniform change every 6 years. 70's Red pinstripes...navy blue/white "blouse" unis...red, white and blue pajama unis...Blue and red late 80's unis with the "C" that looked like an "E" on the caps...current black, silver and white ones.

you can't have forgotten the shorts

[ewokpelts]

This argument is STILL going on?
Gene

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by soxnut
Just a note in case it hasn't been mentioned regarding the shower...

In one of the Sox brochures for 2004, it mentions "families cooling off in the historical shower"...so, take it for what it's worth.... :smile:

:reinsy

"I found a new sponsor before I had it ripped out."

[Baby Fisk]

I know, I know, everyone rolls their eyes every time this thread pops up again. Just wondering if the shower situation is settled. Did the historical plumbing apparatus get a reprieve?

[Brian26]

Originally posted by soxnut
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chisox353014
[B]. The Sox have had basically the same uniform going on 14 years and generally the same type of uniform for quite a bit of its existence.

Keeping the same uniform to establish tradition and history is something the Sox should continue to do! They haven't had basically the same uniform for their existence. It's changed way too often.

[Baby Fisk]

Originally posted by Brian26
Keeping the same uniform to establish tradition and history is something the Sox should continue to do! They haven't had basically the same uniform for their existence. It's changed way too often.
If we are talking about the awesome current unies, then I agree with you. But I like the fact that every era of Sox history has its own distinct uniform:

- 1906 WS era
- Shoeless Joe era
- Go-Go Sox era
- hapless late 60s era
- Melton-Allen era
- second Veeck era
- Winning Ugly era
- almost-moved-to-Tampa era
- new Comiskey/Cell era

If there's a Sox tradition relating to uniforms, it would be that they keep changing uniforms. But I like the current unies as they are and they shouldn't be changed.

[Brian26]

Originally posted by Baby Fisk
If we are talking about the awesome current unies, then I agree with you. But I like the fact that every era of Sox history has its own distinct uniform:

- 1906 WS era
- Shoeless Joe era
- Go-Go Sox era
- hapless late 60s era
- Melton-Allen era
- second Veeck era
- Winning Ugly era
- almost-moved-to-Tampa era
- new Comiskey/Cell era

If there's a Sox tradition relating to uniforms, it would be that they keep changing uniforms. But I like the current unies as they are and they shouldn't be changed.

The current uniforms are classy and classic. They should keep them for a long time. Don't fix it if it's not broken...

[ewokpelts]

why is this thread still alive?
Gene

[soxnut]

:o: :o: :o: Originally posted by Brian26
Keeping the same uniform to establish tradition and history is something the Sox should continue to do! They haven't had basically the same uniform for their existence. It's changed way too often.


I am someone who wants to keep the uniform the same. I feel as though my comment is being taken out of context.


As for the shower..........if anyone would care to read the post I ut in here previously....in Sox ticket brochure :

"white sox baseball is fun at the ballpark -- kids sharpening their skills at FUNdamentals and collecting autographs on Kids Days; fans watching action from the Fan Deck, Patio Area or a Diamond Suite; familes cooling off IN THE HISTORICAL SHOWER.........." :o: :o:

[anewman35]

Originally posted by soxnut

As for the shower..........if anyone would care to read the post I ut in here previously....in Sox ticket brochure :

"white sox baseball is fun at the ballpark -- kids sharpening their skills at FUNdamentals and collecting autographs on Kids Days; fans watching action from the Fan Deck, Patio Area or a Diamond Suite; familes cooling off IN THE HISTORICAL SHOWER.........." :o: :o:

Great, now that the team knows how much some people love the shower, they're going to promote it like crazy! I bet they even start charging for it! And what will our new slogan be? "Come use our shower"?

[soxnut]

Originally posted by anewman35
Great, now that the team knows how much some people love the shower, they're going to promote it like crazy! I bet they even start charging for it! And what will our new slogan be? "Come use our shower"?



That's a typical Sox fan response---bitch one way or the other.....

[Baby Fisk]

Originally posted by soxnut
That's a typical Sox fan response---bitch one way or the other.....
Teal lettering means sarcastic humour, not serious bitching. :cool:

[SSN721]

Originally posted by ewokpelts
why is this thread still alive?
Gene

I am wondering the same thing myself.

[Baby Fisk]

Sorry all, I was just closing the loop on the whole shower issue. Other posts this day have confirmed that the shower lives on. I promise to never, ever, never, never, never, ever ever revive this thread again. :D:

[ode to veeck]

I didn't know the shower had earned additional life at Comiskey (contrary to earlier rumors) until this thread came back to life again today

back to your regularly scheduled trade rumors ...

[soxnut]

Originally posted by Baby Fisk
Teal lettering means sarcastic humour, not serious bitching. :cool:

Yeah sorry, I just got carried away :o: :?: :D: :smile:

[Realist]

Ahhhhhhhhhh........ what the hell.

We're only 8 posts away from 300 sooooooo... HOW 'BOUT THAT COOL SHOWER HEAD? I sure hope it's still there on opening day. :gulp:

[sas1974]

I don't think I have posted to this ridiculous thread yet, so I figured I would do my share to get it up to 300....then it must finally die.

[Railsplitter]

I never used the shower. In fact, the TV never showed bikini-clad hoties using the shower when I was watching.

[WinningUgly!]

Originally posted by Railsplitter
I never used the shower. In fact, the TV never showed bikini-clad hoties using the shower when I was watching.

All the bikini-clad hotties hang out in the rain room.

[SSN721]

This is a total self serving post. Just want to push this one to 300 so it can finally die. :D:

[bennyw41]

I agree with your assertation of 300 posts. Let that be known.

[wolcott10]

Must get to 300!

[IA_soxfan]

almost there.....

(Kudos to the sox for keeping the shower, btw. Its not necesary, but I think it adds to the "fun" atmosphere of the park)

[RichFitztightly]

:shower

[RichFitztightly]

:tomatoaward :tomatoaward :tomatoaward

That should finally do it

[blueeyes33]

you guys, it could be worse. wirtz could buy the white sox.

[Patrick134]

I don't think the shower sold any tickets, and i doubt the lack of one will affect ticket sales either. It was cute to walk by and see it, but I never used it. Maybe if they got scores to sponsor it and place bikini-clad dancers near it, it would sell a lot of tickets.