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SoxxoS
12-22-2003, 12:30 AM
To offer arbitration to Schoeneweis (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-031221sox,1,3657646.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)

I don't know about you guys, but I am relieved. We are talking about a stud 4th starter here.

Seriously. I don't think we can win the division with Show in the rotation. He says he can get righties out, but I just don't believe him. I don't think KW is looking at the right stats, or another Shoeneweis in the majors-

2001 OPS
Lefties .517
Righties .843

2002
Lefties .609
Righties .834

2003
Lefties .571
Righties .703

He actually had a career year in 2003, and STILL had a 4.18 ERA. I don't know what is going on here, this guy is NOT a starter. We are going to have to suffer for the first month of the season with this guy, and we need all the games we can get.

Meixner007
12-22-2003, 12:34 AM
I swear to God I'm looking at the same headlines as you as they come off the wire. I dont' know how to put it in words, but in tough times like these i feel as if we should all be at a bar, rather than looking at the wire every 15 minutes.

Edit: I'm not knocking your post, i'm just feeling real depressed as a white sox fan right now.

CubKilla
12-22-2003, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Meixner007
Edit: I'm not knocking your post, i'm just feeling real depressed as a white sox fan right now.

It's only December man!!!!!

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing THAT line too. How long do Sox fans have to wait before we sign or deal for someone..... anyone?????

And that's not a rip of you Meixner..... I'm just adding my 2 cents :D:

Meixner007
12-22-2003, 12:46 AM
Understandable

I am confident, and always have been confident, that the sox will go out and get a big name player. Recently we have done that...for better or for worse...and I think it will happen again. Yet, I'm just a little more disappointed this year because this year I feel as if there have been more opportunities to pick up quality players and we haven't acted. Note that I do not know KW and his "big plan" but as an outside observer I believe there coudl have been some valuble pickups/re-signings that we did not act on.

That's the beauty of December...there's nothign else to do (baseball wise) so we might as well complain...and hopefully apoligize in March/July

jeremyb1
12-22-2003, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
He actually had a career year in 2003, and STILL had a 4.18 ERA. I don't know what is going on here, this guy is NOT a starter. We are going to have to suffer for the first month of the season with this guy, and we need all the games we can get.

Not to mention, last season he worked entirely in relief and was allowed to pitch mostly to lefties which no doubt helped his numbers. Schoenweis is a solid left-handed specialist. He may even be worth a million dollars in that capacity but considering the fact that we don't intend to use him that way, this is a horrific move. I feel as though Wright, Rauch, and Cotts are all as good or better options than Schoenweis and will make close to the minimum. Odds are also good that we can sign someone to a minor league deal that will be a better starter than Schoenweis. Guaranteeing that type of money to someone to pitch no better than replacement level is not the type of move that produces a winning ballclub.

soxfan26
12-22-2003, 08:42 AM
:whiner:

Oh lord, what next?

It's so depressing to read that the Sox offered arbitration only to read this:


Teams are getting around the 20-percent limit on salary decreases by agreeing to re-sign players before non-tendering them.


Why can't the Sox do it then? It seems right up their alley. Going Cheap.

Are the Sox sure that Schoeneweis will take a paycut from arbitration? It still seems like a lock they are going to have to pay him $1m.

:whiner:

soxtalker
12-22-2003, 09:58 AM
Due to the very late decision (or at least the annoucement), it almost looks like the Sox were looking at who else was being non-tendered. Schoenweis probably just gives them additional options -- either in spring training or on the trading block.

Is there a chance that Schoenweis will decline arbitration? If so, do we get a draft pick?

wsgdf
12-22-2003, 10:31 AM
Come on guys... Coop will teach him the 'magic cutter' and we'll have another Cy Young candidate in our rotation!!!

:D:

MisterB
12-22-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker
Due to the very late decision (or at least the annoucement), it almost looks like the Sox were looking at who else was being non-tendered. Schoenweis probably just gives them additional options -- either in spring training or on the trading block.

Is there a chance that Schoenweis will decline arbitration? If so, do we get a draft pick?

Shoney isn't FA eligible, so he can't decline arbitration.

Plus a correction on this line:

Thomas and Koch are considered overpriced and prickly,

Koch is overpriced, Thomas is prickly. I don't think someone capable of 40 HR and 100+ RBI is overpriced at $6M (he also outproduced two guys on the team that will make more than he will in '04)

Foulke You
12-22-2003, 12:49 PM
While Schoeneweis certainly isn't the messiah to our pitching rotation problems, I think he could do a decent job for us in the #5 spot of the rotation. All he needs is 4 wins and he automatically improves upon what we got out of that spot last year. :D: Of course, with Bartolo gone, it is likely we need at least 10 wins out of that #5 spot. Whether Schoeneweis can do that or not for us remains to be seen.

Scott Schoeneweis stats as a starter:
2000 7W-10L 5.45 E.R.A. 170IP 67BB 78K
2001 10W-11L 5.08 E.R.A. 205IP 77BB 104K
2002 9W-8L 4.88 E.R.A. 118IP 49BB 65K

While these numbers certainly won't make us forget Bartolo Colon, if we could get this type of performance out of our #5 starter as stated earlier, it will be leaps and bounds ahead of what we got out of that spot last year. If we got one of those Schoeneweis seasons above out of ANY #5 starter last year, at the very least we would have ended the season tied with Minnesota for the division lead. Assuming KW can find us a #2 starter via trade or free agent, I'd feel pretty good about this signing. Also, keep in mind that if Schoeneweis is a complete failure as a starter in 2004, he can always be used as a lefty specialist out of the bullpen. Either way, it shores up our pitching a little more.