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joecrede
12-20-2003, 05:28 PM
The Rockies non-tendered have come out and among them is Jay Payton. (http://www.wtev.com/sports/mlb/story.aspx?content_id=CABCF550-8043-4B52-B7B9-2124DD86083B)

Reed in left, Payton in center, Carlos dealt to Dodgers. Wishful thinking. :D:

Rocklive99
12-20-2003, 05:55 PM
I'd rather have C Lee. Trade some other people, get some money, and sign some pitching

SuperSteve
12-20-2003, 05:56 PM
Payton would be LF and Reed CF if those where our three OFs.

doublem23
12-20-2003, 05:57 PM
Hey, while we're at it, we could get Roger Cedeno and have possibly the worst outfield in baseball!

Dub25
12-20-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by joecrede
The Rockies non-tendered have come out and among them is Jay Payton. (http://www.wtev.com/sports/mlb/story.aspx?content_id=CABCF550-8043-4B52-B7B9-2124DD86083B)

Reed in left, Payton in center, Carlos dealt to Dodgers. Wishful thinking. :D:

I wouldn't mine the Sox picking up Payton even though his numbers were probably helped by the mile high air. However, I don't want to trade Lee. If we trade Lee now and then let Maggs go at the end of next year we would be losing to homegrown talents in the span of 1 year.

MHOUSE
12-20-2003, 06:12 PM
I'd take Payton to try and get a spot in our outfield somewhere. I hope we keep C-Lee at least for 2004 with his new deal and only deal Maggs for the right deal, ok KW? There's always the chance we could resign him next year for a better contract without Koch's money holding us back.

soxfan26
12-20-2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Dub25
I wouldn't mine the Sox picking up Payton even though his numbers were probably helped by the mile high air. However, I don't want to trade Lee. If we trade Lee now and then let Maggs go at the end of next year we would be losing to homegrown talents in the span of 1 year.

For what it's worth Payton's numbers on the road were not bad

AVG - .281
HR - 15
OBP - .330
SLG - .483
OPS - .917

But I am not for bringing him in, for several reasons but most importantly he is another right handed power hitter, I think we have enough of those.

Plus his career numbers don't hold a candle to C Lee's. Lee may fall short of expectations, but he has been fairly consistent and works hard.

soxfan26
12-20-2003, 07:18 PM
While were at it, does anyone have a link for a complete list of non-tenders? I have been looking, but can't find one.

Thanks

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-20-2003, 08:09 PM
The O's non tendered starting pitchers Jason Johnson and Damian Moss

joecrede
12-20-2003, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by ChiWhiteSox1337
The O's non tendered starting pitchers Jason Johnson and Damian Moss

I'd imagine this means they're going to sign Ponson.

RichH55
12-20-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by ChiWhiteSox1337
The O's non tendered starting pitchers Jason Johnson and Damian Moss


Moss? Thats more than a bit surprising to me....Havent checked out all the relevant numbers on him...but if I'm KW thats high on my list to do

SoxxoS
12-20-2003, 11:01 PM
Getting rid of CLee isn't my idea of wishful thinking.

I'd rather unload Maggs and get either Jackson or Miller.

StillMissOzzie
12-21-2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by soxfan26
While were at it, does anyone have a link for a complete list of non-tenders? I have been looking, but can't find one.

Thanks

MLB.com has a list of 41 non-tenders. Interestingly, they show the Rockies as non-tendering Jeromy Burnitz, while ESPN.com has him signed to a 1-year deal - to the Rockies.

SMO
:gulp:

soxfan26
12-21-2003, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by StillMissOzzie
MLB.com has a list of 41 non-tenders. Interestingly, they show the Rockies as non-tendering Jeromy Burnitz, while ESPN.com has him signed to a 1-year deal - to the Rockies.

SMO
:gulp:

I saw it. That's up to the minute reporting for you.

MRKARNO
12-21-2003, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by StillMissOzzie
MLB.com has a list of 41 non-tenders. Interestingly, they show the Rockies as non-tendering Jeromy Burnitz, while ESPN.com has him signed to a 1-year deal - to the Rockies.


MLB.com also has an article about Burnitz signing with Colorado

gogosoxgogo
12-21-2003, 11:50 AM
Someone help me out with the logic behind teams like the Cubs and the A's. The A's traded for Redman and then non-tendered him and the Cubs traded for Barett and then non-tendered him. What is the point of doing that? Is it simply to unload someone else's salary who is not arbitration-eligible (ie. Damien Miller in the Cubs' case)?

WinningUgly!
12-21-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
Someone help me out with the logic behind teams like the Cubs and the A's. The A's traded for Redman and then non-tendered him and the Cubs traded for Barett and then non-tendered him. What is the point of doing that? Is it simply to unload someone else's salary who is not arbitration-eligible (ie. Damien Miller in the Cubs' case)?

The teams will try to resign these guys for less money.

gogosoxgogo
12-22-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by WinningUgly!
The teams will try to resign these guys for less money.

Oh, I didn't realize you could still negotiate with a player if you didn't offer him arbitration. Obviously I'm confuisng free-agent arbitration with arbitration when you're still under contract. Thanks for the info.

StillMissOzzie
12-22-2003, 04:41 AM
WinningUgly!:

Nice signature!!!


SMO
:gulp: