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StockdaleForVeep
12-20-2003, 03:53 PM
Just a curious though as to what we feel some of our players will do this year. I feel loiaza, barring injury will have a return to form season and throw the normal junk he has throw, he will get the wins cuz we have the high offense its just i believe his era will be a high 3 to a mid 4

Magglio will bounce back to his 30-35 hr and 100+rbi seasons after just missin and endin his streak by 1 rbi\hr last season

what are other expectations people have on some of our clutch performers, i cant judge thomas because god knows what he'll do. Also im a firm believe PK will be a over 300 hitter next season

StepsInSC
12-20-2003, 04:04 PM
I'm optimistic Loaiza will put up strong numbers again, although he doesn't really have anywhere to go but down from last year's numbers.

Magg should bounce back after an "off" year, and although I have no evidence or anything that would plausibly make me think this, I think Koch and PK will have years like they had in 2002. Not that that makes them worth the money they're being paid, but nonetheless. Although I wouldn't hold my breath on PK hitting over .300.

I don't like what I'm hearing about Thomas and Guillen, about Thomas wanting to be traded because of him. Thomas' ability seems to be so reflective of his mental status I'm worried he could have an off year, I just want his average up. At least above .280 would be nice.

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-20-2003, 04:20 PM
magglio ordonez will return to form and then we won't resign him at the end of the season :(

MRKARNO
12-20-2003, 04:22 PM
I see Esteban winning 15-19 Games next year with a 3.50 ERA. But if he strikes out 200 again, there's no reason to think he wont repeat

SuperSteve
12-20-2003, 04:58 PM
16-7, 4.29 era.

ssang
12-20-2003, 05:03 PM
-Maggs will be over .300 with 30 + HR's and over 100 RBI's

-Loazia will go 17-12 with an ERA of 3.59

-Konerko SUCKS and has ZERO chance of hitting over .300. I
would be ecstatic if the bum hit over .260. I expect him to
bat .245 and continue to suck an be an embarsament of a
ballplayer while at the same time hurting the White Sox A TON
more than he helps this team.

doublem23
12-20-2003, 05:05 PM
If he wins 15 games and has an ERA hovering between 3.50 and 4.00, I'll be pretty happy.

maggsmaggs
12-20-2003, 05:21 PM
15-18 wins and a 3.50 era with 200 strikeouts, I think he will still be solid.
:)

Frater Perdurabo
12-20-2003, 06:32 PM
E-Lo: 15-12, 4.25 ERA

Frater Perdurabo
12-20-2003, 06:34 PM
Buehrle: 16-11, 3.95 ERA

Garland: 15-10, 4.12 ERA

Frater Perdurabo
12-20-2003, 06:42 PM
Lineup:
Harris: .250, 2 HR, 25 SB
Reed: .260, 7 HR, 30 SB
Frank: .273, 35 HR, 107 RBI, 1 SB
Maggs: .302, 29 HR, 112 RBI, 12 SB
Lee: .285, 30 HR, 116 RBI, 18 SB
Valentin: .240, 25 HR, 88 RBI, 9 SB
Crede: .275, 22 HR, 84 RBI, 15 SB
Konerko: .230, 15 HR, 65 RBI, 0 SB (should this be in teal?)
Olivo: .225, 4 HR, 17 SB

Frater Perdurabo
12-20-2003, 06:44 PM
Sox finish 83-79, win AL Central by 1 games, lose to Boston in three games in ALDS.

Mountain Man
12-20-2003, 06:48 PM
Estaban snuck up on a few hitters this season and gained so much confidence and just stayed on a roll. Whatever decline he has in 2004 will be balanced by Mark Buerhle who will have a better year. I also think Garland will continue to improve.

The problem becomes replacing Colon. So far we haven't and the options are starting to look like hoping we catch lightening (a Dontrelle Willis type) from our farm system. There are some good arms there, I just don't like hoping for luck or breakout years from unproven pitchers.

Maggs will continue or possibly improve if all this trade talk hasn't messed with his cranium. Frank is getting older. Olivio and Crede are developing and should be better.

Still no stopper in the pen. Good thing it is months until spring training.

StockdaleForVeep
12-20-2003, 11:11 PM
HAAA, i think u give willie harris too much credit in 2 hrs

and why is everyone already quick judging PK? Did he not pull a royce clayton and hit like .390 second half of the season? Yes he was in a god aweful funk in the beginning but like most fans with carlos lee, once he starts producin, people will jump on the pk bandwagon

RKMeibalane
12-20-2003, 11:22 PM
14-10; 3.56 ERA

jordan23ventura
12-20-2003, 11:28 PM
Loaiza:
ERA 2.50 220K 8-20

Crede as a clean-up hitter:
.287 25 78

(This is after White Flag Trade #2)

Thunderstruck30
12-21-2003, 12:32 AM
I think Loaiza will have a decent year, not as good as 03. Ill say 14-9 3.95 ERA 175 Ks.

elrod
12-21-2003, 12:55 AM
I think Loaiza will be good again this year. He developed a brand new pitch and unless he has an injury or starts tipping pitches there's no reason to think he won't be effective again.

MRKARNO
12-21-2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by elrod
I think Loaiza will be good again this year. He developed a brand new pitch and unless he has an injury or starts tipping pitches there's no reason to think he won't be effective again.

The issue was that hitters started to figure out his cutter to some degree by August.

hillbilly
12-21-2003, 01:30 AM
There's no way loaiza will have the same success as last year because nobody saw that cutter from him before. But i do still belive he will have a solid 17 wins if not better. If you were to watch the hitters facing him last year, they were taking pitches that were right down the middle. That ball has to be moving a good foot and a half if hitters dont even offer. Regardless if hitters have figured him out or not that is absolutely nasty and he will be fine. Buehrle is not gonna start 1-10 next year and he will finish with somewhere around 17 wins also i believe. As for the hitters --- Thomas will hit 25+ with a 280 avg, maggs will hit 35 with a 320 avg, el caballo will have slightly worse numbers just because he had a career year last year, pk will continue to run his 7.4 from home to first, valentin will be valentin, and my favorite of all, joe crede will have nearly 700 homeruns and 1000 RBI's. Hes got muscles. ow ow

Nick@Nite
12-21-2003, 08:04 AM
With a Hot Stove that is cold as ice... I just hope ELo wins on Opening Day.

gosox41
12-21-2003, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
HAAA, i think u give willie harris too much credit in 2 hrs

and why is everyone already quick judging PK? Did he not pull a royce clayton and hit like .390 second half of the season? Yes he was in a god aweful funk in the beginning but like most fans with carlos lee, once he starts producin, people will jump on the pk bandwagon

PK hitting .390 in the second half??

Is there another player in MLB with the initials of PK that did this. Because the one on the Sox didn't.

Bob

idseer
12-21-2003, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Nick@Nite
With a Hot Stove that is cold as ice... I just hope ELo wins on Opening Day.

little chance of that considering mark will be our opening day pitcher.

Nick@Nite
12-21-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
PK hitting .390 in the second half??

Is there another player in MLB with the initials of PK that did this. Because the one on the Sox didn't.

Bob

No other players with the initials PK...

http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/searchPlayerSearchServlet

... just trying to help (and relieve some boredom). :smile:

Nick@Nite
12-21-2003, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by idseer
little chance of that considering mark will be our opening day pitcher.

I was guessing that ELo would have been #1 on the depth chart. I see on mlb.com that it's Burly.

ELo had a better season in 03. If ELo has a solid Spring Training, I'd like to see him start on Opening Day.

oldcomiskey
12-21-2003, 09:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Magglio will bounce back to his 30-35 hr and 100+rbi seasons after just missin and endin his streak by 1 rbi\hr last season

He may do that but it will probably be in another uniform

StockdaleForVeep
12-22-2003, 02:55 AM
first to nick@nite, i dig the rollins sig

2. i was rounding\generalizing Konerkos effort in the second half, he put on a great second run, esp in the kc series. A career .279 hitter is not something to just toss away, i would find more accurate stats for his second half run but i cant locate them

edit-
as i posted this i found pks stats for second half, yes my 390 assumption was wrong, but he did not do terrible in the second half

.275,13 hr, 43 rbi, and a monster .342, 7 hr and 24 rbi in the month of july.

ssang
12-22-2003, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
first to nick@nite, i dig the rollins sig

2. i was rounding\generalizing Konerkos effort in the second half, he put on a great second run, esp in the kc series. A career .279 hitter is not something to just toss away, i would find more accurate stats for his second half run but i cant locate them

edit-
as i posted this i found pks stats for second half, yes my 390 assumption was wrong, but he did not do terrible in the second half

.275,13 hr, 43 rbi, and a monster .342, 7 hr and 24 rbi in the month of july.

Paul Konerko is PATHETIC!!! Stop trying to tell yourself any different. My 91 year old grandma is better than him....and faster on the basepaths too. I wish we could deport Konerko to Iraq

CLR01
12-22-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
.275,13 hr, 43 rbi, and a monster .342, 7 hr and 24 rbi in the month of july.


Which means he hit what .240-.250, 6 HR and 19 RBI's in aug and sept.

SSN721
12-22-2003, 09:01 AM
I think that ELo will have a good year, not as great as last year since I agree with the earlier statement that hitters were starting to figure out his cutter towards the end of the year. But its still a nasty pitch and I think will serve him well in '04 I expect an ERA around 3.0-3.5 and at least 17 wins and will be well worth the 4 mil we signed him for. I apologize for being ignorant in the fact did we sign him for one year or a multi year contract? At the moment I only remember his salary next year. thanks

StockdaleForVeep
12-22-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by CLR01
Which means he hit what .240-.250, 6 HR and 19 RBI's in aug and sept.

He actually had an atrocious sept but then again i ask you, what member of this team had a good last september?

Question for you PK haters, were u spouting all this hate when he was making his all star run last year i believe it was?

compy75
12-22-2003, 10:22 PM
Reality is Konerko the last two seasons has been absolutely polar for two halfs: in the past two seasons he hasn't hit within 50 points of his 1st and 2nd half batting averages, or within 7 of his first and second half home run totals. Now if he goes back to 2001 where he hit .281 and .282 in the second half with 15 and 17 HR in each half respectively then we'll be talking. What's disheartingly is his mechanics. He generally tries to pull every breaking ball which results in many ground balls to the left side which have translated into double play balls. That coupled with his inability to walk at time and sub .268 career BA with RISP don't help him.