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BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 09:33 AM
If the Rodriguez deal goes through, the White Sox would send Ordonez and pitcher Dan Wright to the Red Sox for Garciaparra and reliever Scott Williamson. The Red Sox then would send Ramirez, Wright and $3 million to the Rangers.

The White Sox and Dodgers have been said to be considering a number of deals. Garciaparra could be sent to his hometown of Los Angeles, with the White Sox getting pitchers Odalis Perez and Greg Miller, considered the organization's No. 2 prospect. Another possibility has the White Sox getting Perez and minor-league first baseman James Loney.

OTHER TRADE RUMORS
The White Sox are rumored to be involved in two other deals. After a trade fell through for the Seattle Mariners to acquire shortstop Omar Vizquel from the Cleveland Indians, Jose Valentin's name came up as a possibility for the Mariners. But that would happen only if the White Sox acquired and kept Garciaparra.

Another rumored deal had White Sox reliever Billy Koch headed to the New York Mets to be reunited with manager Art Howe. The White Sox would get highly touted pitcher Aaron Heilman, 25, in return. The right-hander from Notre Dame was 2-7 with a 6.75 ERA in 13 starts as a rookie last season.

All according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-sox18.html

anewman35
12-18-2003, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
Another rumored deal had White Sox reliever Billy Koch headed to the New York Mets to be reunited with manager Art Howe. The White Sox would get highly touted pitcher Aaron Heilman, 25, in return. The right-hander from Notre Dame was 2-7 with a 6.75 ERA in 13 starts as a rookie last season.

All according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-sox18.html

Wait. You mean we could get rid of Koch AND get a highly touted pitcher? Somebody pinch me, I must be dreaming.

Palehose13
12-18-2003, 09:41 AM
The only way I want this deal is if we keep Nomar and Williamson. I know we need pitching, but in the end I think the Sox would be screwed if they gave up Magglio and got a questionable starter and two relievers (who may also be questionable) in return.

If the Dodgers can't get Vlad, IMO, they will be so hard up for hitting that they just might do the Konerko/Perez trade even if they are pissed at the Sox for keeping Nomar.

If not the Dodgers, Garcia is supposed to be on the block and if Koch's salary can be moved that may be able to free up money to lure Ponson over to the southside.

If we don't keep Nomar, I don't want this trade to happen.

BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
If we don't keep Nomar, I don't want this trade to happen.

How about if we kept Nomar, moved Valentin, sent Pk to LA for Perez and then lured in Ponson with the left over money or take a chance on Juan Gone?

MRKARNO
12-18-2003, 09:47 AM
I swear, If Koch for Heilman is on the table and Kenny Williams is the one balking at it, he should be fired this instant

Palehose13
12-18-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
How about if we kept Nomar, moved Valentin, sent Pk to LA for Perez and then lured in Ponson with the left over money or take a chance on Juan Gone?

BeerHandle, we are on the same page. I would also like to see Koch to the Mets.

anewman35
12-18-2003, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
BeerHandle, we are on the same page. I would also like to see Koch to the Mets.

Personally, I'd like to see Koch to the moon, where he can never hurt us again. Barring that, though, the Mets aren't a bad choice, anywhere but The Cell.

Palehose13
12-18-2003, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by anewman35
Personally, I'd like to see Koch to the moon, where he can never hurt us again. Barring that, though, the Mets aren't a bad choice, anywhere but The Cell.

LOL...what does the moon have to offer? :D:

Eddie Gaedel
12-18-2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
LOL...what does the moon have to offer? :D:

i'd trade koch for a hunk of cheese.

OfficerKarkovice
12-18-2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I swear, If Koch for Heilman is on the table and Kenny Williams is the one balking at it, he should be fired this instant

If that is the proposed deal then I've got to believe we would be paying most if not all of Koch's salary next year.

BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
BeerHandle, we are on the same page. I would also like to see Koch to the Mets.

As much as I would like to see Koch moved along with someone else taking his salary I have some fear. Do we all remember what happened when Foulke left? Ouch that hurt!!

anewman35
12-18-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
LOL...what does the moon have to offer? :D:

We can get some moon rocks and display them on the concourse. Who knows, maybe it would increase attendance.

ma-gaga
12-18-2003, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
As much as I would like to see Koch moved along with someone else taking his salary I have some fear. Do we all remember what happened when Foulke left? Ouch that hurt!!

What, because he flourished after he left the W.Sox?

The problem wasn't with Koch's mechanics, the problem was that one of the W.Sox pitching coaches tinkered with his mechanics reducing his effectiveness, then Jerry Manual was an idiot with his bullpen usage. oh, and then Kenny gave him a big extension before he pitched a single inning for the team. There's a bunch of goofy things the Sox did here from all levels of management.

Koch is an effective pitcher if he gets innings. He's not a specialist type. You give him innings and latitude when he starts loading the bases. He's not a great reliever, he puts too many men on base, but he can be used effectively with a solid plan, which JM didn't have the guts for.

Foulke struggled against a couple of GOOD teams early in 2002 and got benched. Inexcuseable. The problem isn't the personel in this case, the problem was the coach. At least I'd hope it was the coach.

Koch can be used effectively, but it takes a lot of guts.

jabrch
12-18-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Palehose13
LOL...what does the moon have to offer? :D:


It always seems like Gravity doesn't effect Koch's pitches after they are thrown. He couldn't be less efective on the moon. I hear they have bigger parks there also.

MisterB
12-18-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by ma-gaga
Koch can be used effectively, but it takes a lot of guts.

Koch with a 92 mph fastball is ineffective no matter how you use him.

BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by MisterB
Koch with a 92 mph fastball is ineffective no matter how you use him.

It is ineffective because it doesn't move and he doesn't have a good change-up.

Huisj
12-18-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
It is ineffective because it doesn't move and he doesn't have a good change-up.

which is because he used to be fairly effective with a 99 mph fastball. so basically he won't be effective, because i doubt he can really pitch.

BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Huisj
which is because he used to be fairly effective with a 99 mph fastball. so basically he won't be effective, because i doubt he can really pitch.
Are you saying the 99mph is a fluke or is his arm dead?

IronFisk
12-18-2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by BeerHandle
Are you saying the 99mph is a fluke or is his arm dead?

No, 99 WAS his speed...arm seems to be dying. Although I'd love to have a 92-mile fastball! :D:

BeerHandle
12-18-2003, 01:46 PM
So would I when I do the speed pitch on the Concourse

Baby Fisk
12-18-2003, 03:04 PM
Okay, it's now 3:00pm EST. Has anyone heard anything????