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DrCrawdad
12-16-2003, 03:47 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/fantasy/baseball/news/2000/02/21/nl_battles/t1_barrett_all_01.jpg
Michael Barrett for PTBNL.

jabrch
12-16-2003, 03:55 PM
PTBNL is Damien Miller. I have no idea what Hendry is thinking. He must have something else up his sleeve.

Foulke You
12-16-2003, 03:57 PM
I hope Ivan Rodriguez or Javy Lopez aren't hiding under his sleeve. :(:

DrCrawdad
12-16-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
PTBNL is Damien Miller. I have no idea what Hendry is thinking. He must have something else up his sleeve.

Are you joking about the Miller being the PTBNL?

Palehose13
12-16-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Foulke You
I hope Ivan Rodriguez or Javy Lopez aren't hiding under his sleeve. :(:

I agree. Most cub fans on the radio are not happy with this trade. Damn...it is taking some wind out of their sails! :D:

Tekijawa
12-16-2003, 04:12 PM
Wait until Clemens announces he's not retiring... It'll be fun to watch them fininsh below .500 with a 90 Million dollar pay roll!

voodoochile
12-16-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
Wait until Clemens announces he's not retiring... It'll be fun to watch them fininsh below .500 with a 90 Million dollar pay roll!

My friend the flubbie fan says that Clemans was going to pitch the Olympics and only pitch for Houston late in the season, but since the US team didn't qualify for the Olympics, he gets to pitch the whole season for Houson.

So, there you have it. The flubbie curse has now killed the dreams of the US Olympic baseball team...

One more reason to hate 'em... :D:

jabrch
12-16-2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Are you joking about the Miller being the PTBNL?


No, it is a conditional deal. If the Cubs are able to agree to a deal with Barret before the 20th, then it is Miller. If not, and they non-tender him, then it is a low level prospect.

This looks like a terrible deal to me. I can't figure out why Hendry (normally a smart GM) would do it.

soxwon
12-16-2003, 04:16 PM
how can cub fans be not happy about this deal?
they havent given anyone up yet- and i doubt its damien miller.

jabrch
12-16-2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Tekijawa
Wait until Clemens announces he's not retiring... It'll be fun to watch them fininsh below .500 with a 90 Million dollar pay roll!

Last time they went over .500 in back to back years was 1971-2 or something like that, right? I would pay to see them slip back to sub-.500 again. That would be priceless.

jabrch
12-16-2003, 04:19 PM
Barrett to be on The Score @ 4:30ish

MisterB
12-16-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Are you joking about the Miller being the PTBNL?

The bay area papers have mentioned Beane dealing Barrett for Miller as a likely move. Doesn't prove anything, but the rumors are that that would be the deal.

MHOUSE
12-16-2003, 04:28 PM
I thought Barrett was a decent catcher? Why all the anti-Barrett comments? I like Miller and Bako, but neither hit very well and both are much older than Barrett. I thought this sounded like a good trade for the Cubs. I'm wondering why the As got him and then dealt him right away.....

Brian26
12-16-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
I thought Barrett was a decent catcher? Why all the anti-Barrett comments?

Same question here. Barrett is an upgrade over Miller. I think it's a good pickup and makes them even stronger.

MHOUSE
12-16-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Same question here. Barrett is an upgrade over Miller. I think it's a good pickup and makes them even stronger.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The Cubs have been looking for a good starting catcher since the start of last season and I thought Mike Barrett would totally be an upgrade over Miller, Bako, or Josh Paul.

Barrett sounds pretty good in this article from MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20031216&content_id=619610&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Hullett_Fan
12-16-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
This looks like a terrible deal to me. I can't figure out why Hendry (normally a smart GM) would do it.


I-Rod is on his way to Chicago...unfortunately it's the North Side. Barrett will back up and (unlike Miller) can also fill-in at 1B and 3B.

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-16-2003, 05:23 PM
A's traded for his rights to try to get him to sign a deal before the 20th, so I guess he wanted too much.

MarkEdward
12-16-2003, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
This is exactly what I was thinking. The Cubs have been looking for a good starting catcher since the start of last season and I thought Mike Barrett would totally be an upgrade over Miller, Bako, or Josh Paul.


Well, before 2003, Miller was a decent enough hitting catcher. Since 2000, his average line would be around .270/.340/.420. In 2003, it dipped to .233/.310/.369. Hendry is probably assuming that this is the beginning of Miller's decline phase, and he will no longer be able to put up his 2000-02 numbers again.

Michael Barrett has now played in five major league seasons (six, actually, but he only took 23 ABs in 1998). So far, he's had two average seasons and three very bad seasons. If I had to take a wild guess, he'd probably hit around .220/.310/.380 (about the same as I'd expect Bako to hit).

If I had to take a catcher going into 2004, I'd take Miller over Barrett.

serena
12-16-2003, 08:49 PM
I've heard that Miller had a no-trade clause specific to Montreal in his contract, so they couldn't deal him directly for Barrett. The A's were interested in Miller and were told the skids would be greased if they got Barrett and flipped him to the Cubs. Getting Miller as the PTBNL would be contingent on the Cubs signing Barrett to a new contract (he's arbitration eligible) by the deadline.

duke of dorwood
12-16-2003, 09:27 PM
The Cubs put thmselves in good positions for any contingency.

Our team is the John Shoop offense of baseball