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JDP
11-19-2003, 10:43 PM
Here's a look at the "top" personnel at each of the levels in the White Sox minor league system. It appears as though they have a lot of KW's "grinders" and many arms. What is really lacking is pure power hitters, with the only of these that could even be classified as having moderate power are: Reed (gap) and Gload (developing pop), with the only real pure power hitter (if he still has it?) being Borchard. For the most part, the batters are .260-.280 hitters who can walk and steal bases.

Sorry for the horrible alignment of the numbers!
[Age:Position, Player: 2003 Stats]

CLASS A LEVEL
22:OF, Thomas Brice*: 397 AB, .280 BA, 43/63 BB/K, 8 SB
21:SS, Andy Gonzalez: 429 AB, .231 BA, 69/82 BB/K, 22 SB
22:CIF, Casey Rogowski*: 357 AB, .246, 53/73 BB/K, 18 SB
21:OF, Mike Spidale: 393 AB, .262, 57/76 BB/K, 25 SB
21:MIF, Ruddy Yan#: 485 AB, .264, 47/73 BB/K, 76 SB
23:SP, Wyatt Allen: 6-8, 4.39 ERA, 139.1 IP, 128 H, 89/86 BB/K
23:CL, Josh Fields: 6-7, 3.10 ERA, 72.2 IP, 54 H, 68/25 BB/K, 20 SV
21:SP, Kris Honel: 9-7, 3.11 ERA, 133.0 IP, 122 H, 42/122 BB/K
21:SP, Ryan Wing: 9-7, 2.98 ERA, 145.0 IP, 116 H, 67/107 BB/K

CLASS AA LEVEL
22:OF, Jeremy Reed*: 242 AB, .409 BA, 29/19 BB/K, 18 SB
26:OF, Scott Bikowski*: 394 AB, .312 BA, 50/65 BB/K, 3 SB
29:MIF, Gabe Alvarez: 410 AB, .310 BA, 58/87 BB/K, 2 SB
24:MIF, Danny Sandoval#: 478 AB, .287 BA, 43/67 BB/K, 21 SB
25:CF, Chad Durham: 408 AB, .270 BA, 39/81 BB/K, 15 SB
24:C, Carlos Maldonado: 408 AB, .262 BA, 43/50 BB/K, 1 SB
23:SP, Niel Cotts*: 9-7, 2.16 ERA, 108.1 IP, 67 H, 56/133 BB/K
25:SP, Enemenicio Pacheco: 12-2, 2.56 ERA, 151.1 IP, 131 H, 56/133 BB/K
25:CL, Jeff Bajenaru: 4-2, 3.20 ERA, 64.2 IP, 53 H, 28/62 BB/K, 14 SV
23:MR, Byeong An*: 5-3, 3.94 ERA, 80.0 IP, 76 H, 34/45 BB/K
26:MR, Mitch Wylie: 3-5, 4.40 ERA, 57.1 IP, 53 H, 17/42 BB/K
30:SP, Tetsu Yofu: 9-8, 3.50 ERA, 131.0 IP, 117 H, 37/114 BB/K

CLASS AAA LEVEL
?:CIF, Russ Gload: 504 AB, .315 BA, 29/59 BB/K, 6 SB
25:OF, Joe Borchard#: 431 AB, .251 BA, 27/102 BB/K, 2 SB
?:CL, Matt Ginter: 3-5, 3.03 ERA, 68.1 IP, 66 H, 22/52 BB/K, 14 SV
22:RP, Gary Majewski: 6-4, 3.96 ERA, 72.2 IP, 62 H29/72 BB/K, 4 SV
?:SP, Jon Adkins: 7-8, 3.96 ERA, 122.2 IP, 119 H, 34/59 BB/K
?:SP, F. Diaz: 5-7, 3.97 ERA, 115.2 IP, 122 H, 33/83 BB/K
?:SP, Brian Cooper: 15-9, 3.98 ERA, 174.1 IP, 195 H, 35/106 BB/K
25:SP, Jon Rauch: 7-1, 4.11 ERA, 124.2 IP, 121 H, 35/94 BB/K

hold2dibber
11-20-2003, 08:30 AM
Interesting post. A few things popped up in my mind as I read it, and I'll throw them out there for comment/discussion:

1. Cotts' numbers last year were truly fantastic. I hope people don't hold JM's misuse of him against the guy. He seems like a real prospect to me (with the caveat, of course, that even "real" pitching prospects are long shots).

2. Does anyone have an opinion about Pachecho's prospects? His numbers are pretty impressive, but I know little about him. What are/is his out pitch(es)? What's the best case scenario for him (#3-type starter? middle relief? closer?) Any sense for when he might appear on the South Side?

3. Matt Ginter deserves a shot in the bullpen from game no. 1 next year. I have confidence that he can be an effective middle reliever at the big league level.

4. What ever happened to Jason Stumm (sp?)?

5. How did Micah Schuenstein do in '03?

JDP
11-20-2003, 08:48 AM
Cotts did have great numbers. I think the Sox will get the last say in this trade, assuming Cotts can find his confidence and command at the major league level. I think many scouts/columnists have compared him or used him in reference with a young Sandy Koufax -- young, fireballer, wild and left handed.

Also, Stumm I believe had surgery of some sort within the past year. He only pitched 8.0 innings for the AA Barons; 0-0, 4.50 ERA, 8 IP 8 H, 6 BB, 8 K.

JDP
11-20-2003, 08:52 AM
Class A: CL Fields -- yeah, I switched his BB's and K's around. The guy didn't walk 68 and strike out 25. Ha. Make that 68 K's, 25 BB's. Yikes, that'd have been one of the worst BB/K ratio's for a prospect I've ever seen.

joepoe
11-20-2003, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by JDP
Cotts did have great numbers. I think the Sox will get the last say in this trade, assuming Cotts can find his confidence and command at the major league level. I think many scouts/columnists have compared him or used him in reference with a young Sandy Koufax -- young, fireballer, wild and left handed.

Also, Stumm I believe had surgery of some sort within the past year. He only pitched 8.0 innings for the AA Barons; 0-0, 4.50 ERA, 8 IP 8 H, 6 BB, 8 K.

I think Stumm had surgery two years in a row, iirc.

xil357
11-20-2003, 10:08 AM
Isn't it rather rare throughout the minors for there to be many players putting up big home run totals?

That is, doesn't the "typical" hitter who makes it to the majors see more power come to his game as he grows toward age 30?

I've head that this happens because of continued growth and toning of muscle as workout regimens are fine-tuned (as major leaguers have more time to spend working out because they aren't travelling on buses and/or have not been, until recently, tested for steroids at the MLB level) and because of the transition to wood bats.

Did Frank Thomas or even Sammy Sosa put up big power numbers in the minors? (not that they are "typical" major leaguers by any stretch of the imagination) Did Paul Konerko have big power numbers in the minors? Maggs? Carlos Lee? Joe Crede?

FanOf14
11-20-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by xil357
Did Frank Thomas or even Sammy Sosa put up big power numbers in the minors? (not that they are "typical" major leaguers by any stretch of the imagination) Did Paul Konerko have big power numbers in the minors? Maggs? Carlos Lee? Joe Crede?

PK did from what I remember (my info is at home, so I am going on memory here - too lazy to look it up here), I don't think Frank spent much time (if any at all) in the minors. Joe had good numbers, but I don't know about the power numbers for certain (I seem to remember 30+ HRs at least in one season) and as for Maggs and CLee, I am not sure at all.

Sosa didn't put up big power numbers in the big leagues (much less the minors) until he got to the Cubs and gain much weight and muscle.

NOTE: This is stuff from memory, please don't flame me if I made an error here or there. Thanks! :)

maurice
11-20-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
2. Does anyone have an opinion about Pachecho's prospects?

IIRC, this has been addressed by Daver, etc. in other threads in the past several months.

5. How did Micah Schuenstein do in '03?

.264 AVE / .313 OBP / .337 SLG / almost 4x more SO than BB / 6 Errors in 50 games in the Pioneer League.

TaylorStSox
11-20-2003, 12:43 PM
What do you guys know about Nanita, Sweeney and Anderson? I know they're all extremely young but I've heard some good things. Sweeney was a top 15 guy until the day of the draft. I've heard reports that he was a real steal that late. Anybody?


Yan's average really plummeted towards end of the year but that raw speed is intriguing. What do you guys know about his glove?

JDP
11-20-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by xil357
Isn't it rather rare throughout the minors for there to be many players putting up big home run totals?

That is, doesn't the "typical" hitter who makes it to the majors see more power co

While I'm not expecting 30, 35, 40 HR seasons from minor leaguers on a consistent basis, my point was this: compared to the same talent at the same level in the same conferences, the Sox players don't have that "pure" (if you will) power numbers within their organizations that other teams seem to have. Just take a quick look at the Southern League for example:

CLASS AA - Birmingham [Southern League]
(Smokies) Jacobsen, 31
(BayBears), Knott, 27
(Lookouts) Smitherman, 19
(Mudcats) Padgett, 17
(Rays) Gomes, 17
(Braves) Aldridge, 16
(Smokies) Ericson, 16
(D-Jaxx) Debois, 15
(Suns) Ambercrombie, 15
(Lookouts) Senjem, 15
(BayBears) Washington, 14
(BayBears) Gautreu, 14
(Lookouts) Stenson, 14
(Stars) Hart, 13
(Stars) Hardy, 12
(Braves) LaRocha, 12

The Barons' leading HR-hitter was a 29-year old, journeyman Gabe Alvarez, with 11 HR's. Noone else was in double figures. Granted, on his tear, Reed was on pace for 12-14 HR's, but Alvarez would be the only Baron among "league leaders" in HR's -- and at 29, not quite a Sox 'prospect.'

JDP
11-20-2003, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
What do you guys know about Nanita, Sweeney and Anderson? I know they're all extremely young but I've heard some good things. Sweeney was a top 15 guy until the day of the draft. I've heard reports that he was a real steal that late. Anybody?

In 2003:
Brian Anderson in 13 games; Great Falls (R) Sox:
.388 BA, 49 AB's, 6 R's, 2 2B's, 1 3B, 2 HR's, 13 RBI's, 9/10 BB/K, 3 SB's

Ricardo Nanita in 47 games; Great Falls (R) Sox:
.384 BA, 185 AB's, 38 R's, 7 2B's, 4 3B's, 5 HR's, 37 RBI's, 17/28 BB/K, 6 SB's

Ryan Sweeney in 10 games; Great Falls (R) Sox:
.353 BA, 34 AB's, 0 R's, 2 2B's, 0 3B's, 0 HR's, 4 RBI's, 2/3 BB/K, 0 SB's

BTW, the Sox have another Carlos Lee in their system.
2003 w/ the Great Falls Sox (R):
.300 BA, 180 AB's, 25 R's, 11 2B's, 1 3B, 3 HR's, 33 RBI's, 10/22 BB/K, 2 SB's. This Carlos is a 22 yo catcher.

I'll let someone else address Yan's glove as I don't want to be the only minor league geru. =}

TaylorStSox
11-20-2003, 01:29 PM
I heard the new C.Lee is the old C.Lee's brother. Can anybody confirm or deny this? If so, are they running out of names in Panama? :D:

JDP
11-20-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
I heard the new C.Lee is the old C.Lee's brother. Can anybody confirm or deny this? If so, are they running out of names in Panama? :D:

Could you imagine having a younger brother with your same exact name? Ugh.

TaylorStSox
11-20-2003, 01:36 PM
Maybe Carlos Lee Sr. is a very proud man.

hold2dibber
11-20-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by JDP
BTW, the Sox have another Carlos Lee in their system.
2003 w/ the Great Falls Sox (R):
.300 BA, 180 AB's, 25 R's, 11 2B's, 1 3B, 3 HR's, 33 RBI's, 10/22 BB/K, 2 SB's. This Carlos is a 22 yo catcher.

I can just see it now, Kenny deals for "grinder" Desi Relaford to be the utility infielder thinking the Sox are trading 22 year old minor league catcher Carlos Lee, but accidentally agrees to send Carlos "break out year in '03" Lee instead. Please, someone go put a big poster in KW's office that says "Not THAT Carlos Lee!"

Huisj
11-20-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by TaylorStSox
Maybe Carlos Lee Sr. is a very proud man.

hey, george foreman named all of his kids george . . .

FanOf14
11-20-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by JDP
Could you imagine having a younger brother with your same exact name? Ugh.

Jose Valentin's brother that was a catcher for the Twins that was traded (I thought it was the Devil Rays he was traded to, but O could be wrong) has the first name of Jose as well. From what I read, they go by their middle names in the family. Our Valentin 's middle name is Antonio and the other is Javier.

Chisoxfn
11-20-2003, 09:01 PM
Yan has great range and an alright glove. Saw him play 3 games last year and in one of them I saw about 3 web gems. Unbelievable range, great off balance throw. Didn't stand out in the others. ANd once he's on base...he's gonna steal. The pitchers no it, shorten their delivery, try to pick him off....it just doesn't matter.

It is a freak of nature watching him run. His quads are insane. The question is whether he can develop offensively. Looked like he was breaking out at the first half and then he just fell apart. The problem was this was his second year with Winston Salem.

As far as Pacheco...he's a stud in my books. Power arm, but the question is his attitude and his willingness to stay in shape and continue honing his craft. From an arm perspective, in my opinion, he's the best power starter in the organization.

Stumm pitched in low a ball as well and pitched quite a few more innings there then he did in bham if I recall. Did pretty solid too. Its a miracle that he's still pitching and his velocity is still supposed to be pretty good.

Schnur was doing pretty solid before his injury, where he hurt his ankle iirc.