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Dadawg_77
11-11-2003, 11:42 PM
Just got the 2003 edition.

Some tidbits, Frank has a 84% chance at hitting 500 HRs and a 11% chance at 600.

Frank was fourth in the AL at OBP vs LHP and first by a wide margin in SLG vs LHP. Mags was 6th and Paul Konerko was 8th.

Frank was second in home runs per at bat, hitting one every 13.0 ab.

Frank took 63.3% of the pitches he saw.

Frank hd the lowest GB/FB ratio in the AL at .44. Jose was fourth.

Frank was sixth in OPS at .952.

Last year Frank hit 24 home runs at home and 4 on the road. This year Frank hit 29 at home and 13 on the road.

Miguel Olivo was third in RCS% at 31.7

Mags has a OPS of 1.029 vs Fastballs and a 1.050 vs Curves.

Carlos Lee had a .959 OPS vs changeups

Mark Buehrle was allowed the fourth most runs at 124. Also second in starts at 35.

Mark only threw 3.57 pitches per batter.

Garland allowed the sixth most walks at 74. He also had 6.06 runs support.

E Lo throw 64.1% of his pitches in the Strike zone.

Kieth Foulke had the most easy saves, at 28. The fourth most regular saves at 11, and the second most tough saves at 4.

Marte was tied with Kieth with 4 tough saves.

Derek Lowe lead teh AL with 4.38 gb/fb rate. E Lo was 12 at 1.48. For Garland to be effective, he needs to be up on the list.

In a relief appearances with runners already in scoring position, Marte allowed the opp to hit .187.

Chad Bradford allow 16.4 inherited runners to score. I guy I would love to Sox to get, Hasegawa allowed 16.7%, Tom Flash Gordon allowed 18.9% to score.

Colon had the second fastest avg fastball at 93.4 mph. Mark had the seventh slowest at 86.1.

Colon threw 12 pitches over 100 mph. Next closest was Jorge Juli at 4. Colon lead pitches thrown over 95 mph with 636. 75.4% of his pitches were fastballs.

E Lo had the highest % of sliders thrown at 29.8. This probably includes the cutter he threw this year.

Mags had 20 GIDP, Lee 20, Konerko 28.

DSpivack
11-11-2003, 11:48 PM
thanks for the info!

minastirith67
11-11-2003, 11:54 PM
Interesting. If you see anything else useful, please add it as I'm sure we'd appreciate it.

Brian26
11-12-2003, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
Mags has a OPS of 1.029 vs Fastballs and a 1.050 vs Curves.

Carlos Lee had a .959 OPS vs changeups



Come on. How in the hell does someone keep track of this? Talk about a subjective stat. Who decides what a change up is? Is it any pitch less than 75mph? Or does it vary based on the pitcher? And how do you tell the difference between a hanging curveball or changeup out of the zone? There's a lot of room for interpretation here.



Colon had the second fastest avg fastball at 93.4 mph. Mark had the seventh slowest at 86.1.

Colon threw 12 pitches over 100 mph. Next closest was Jorge Juli at 4. Colon lead pitches thrown over 95 mph with 636. 75.4% of his pitches were fastballs.


Again, very subjective. Does the radar gun in Chicago work the same way as the one in Detroit or Baltimore?



Mags had 20 GIDP, Lee 20, Konerko 28.


Felt like Konerko had about 50. Wow, what a terrible stat.

whitesoxwilkes
11-12-2003, 12:03 AM
DaDawg, how do I get my grubby little paws on this book?

StillMissOzzie
11-12-2003, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Felt like Konerko had about 50. Wow, what a terrible stat.

Ain't that the truth? I would have guessed 28 by the All Star break...

SMO
:gulp:

StepsInSC
11-12-2003, 12:58 AM
Yup and 28 led the league. In the top 15 GIDPers we had 3 of 'em.

SoxxoS
11-12-2003, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Come on. How in the hell does someone keep track of this? Talk about a subjective stat. Who decides what a change up is? Is it any pitch less than 75mph? Or does it vary based on the pitcher? And how do you tell the difference between a hanging curveball or changeup out of the zone? There's a lot of room for interpretation here.




Again, very subjective. Does the radar gun in Chicago work the same way as the one in Detroit or Baltimore?





Felt like Konerko had about 50. Wow, what a terrible stat.

The law of averages, my friend.

Dadawg_77
11-12-2003, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by whitesoxwilkes
DaDawg, how do I get my grubby little paws on this book?

The CPL may have it but if you want to buy it. The place is located up on 5000N Clark or so, you might be able to walk in and buy it to.

http://www.actapublications.com/detail.html?session=0ec80400f2f61149d424c2380a6354 f1&cat=16&id=083

The place is a christian publisher, whose owners are big baseball fans. Dewan is heard on the Score morning show every Thurs with his stat of the week.

Dadawg_77
11-12-2003, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Come on. How in the hell does someone keep track of this? Talk about a subjective stat. Who decides what a change up is? Is it any pitch less than 75mph? Or does it vary based on the pitcher? And how do you tell the difference between a hanging curveball or changeup out of the zone? There's a lot of room for interpretation here.

Again, very subjective. Does the radar gun in Chicago work the same way as the one in Detroit or Baltimore?

Felt like Konerko had about 50. Wow, what a terrible stat.

Basically the company has every single game on digital or some other type of recording. You pay baseball people, former players, scouts and who ever to watch a certain amount of games, usally overlapping games. They track each pitch and what happens to it. Secondly with video to can figure out the speed of the pitch without the radar gun, not exactly sure if that is how they compute the pitch speed but it can be done without a radar gun. Also they may pay another service to collect the data for them, but that is how it is done.

Brian26
11-12-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
The CPL may have it but if you want to buy it. The place is located up on 5000N Clark or so, you might be able to walk in and buy it to.

http://www.actapublications.com/detail.html?session=0ec80400f2f61149d424c2380a6354 f1&cat=16&id=083

The place is a christian publisher, whose owners are big baseball fans. Dewan is heard on the Score morning show every Thurs with his stat of the week.

Dumb question here. Is this book the same thing as the American League Red Book? If so, who is responsible for doing the NL Blue Book? I always that the AL and NL Red Book and Blue Book were put out by MLB.

Dadawg_77
11-12-2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Dumb question here. Is this book the same thing as the American League Red Book? If so, who is responsible for doing the NL Blue Book? I always that the AL and NL Red Book and Blue Book were put out by MLB.

No, the official stats for MLB come out in December from Ellias(sp?) sports bureau. Also Red Book is a name for a book the MLB insurance companies keep of player injuries.

surfdudes
11-12-2003, 10:55 AM
3 out of the top 15 in GIDP?
Maybe Ozzie's comment about "moving runners over" carries
more merit than many gave him credit for.

dickallen15
11-12-2003, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by surfdudes
3 out of the top 15 in GIDP?
Maybe Ozzie's comment about "moving runners over" carries
more merit than many gave him credit for.

Funny how Frank wasn't in this group, but he was the one called out by Ozzie.

Dadawg_77
11-12-2003, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by surfdudes
3 out of the top 15 in GIDP?
Maybe Ozzie's comment about "moving runners over" carries
more merit than many gave him credit for.

Actually it carries less. More to come on that later.

Brian26
11-12-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
No, the official stats for MLB come out in December from Ellias(sp?) sports bureau. Also Red Book is a name for a book the MLB insurance companies keep of player injuries.

Wait, so you're saying the redbook and bluebook are no longer made? I have at least the 2001 redbook for the AL at home...got it at the garage sale last year.

Dadawg_77
11-12-2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Wait, so you're saying the redbook and bluebook are no longer made? I have at least the 2001 redbook for the AL at home...got it at the garage sale last year.

The offical record book of MLB used to be call the Red Book. I think they have changed the name.

Brian26
11-12-2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Wait, so you're saying the redbook and bluebook are no longer made? I have at least the 2001 redbook for the AL at home...got it at the garage sale last year.

Gotcha.

maurice
11-12-2003, 01:50 PM
Frank had the lowest GB/FB ratio in the AL at .44. Jose was fourth.

What an indictment of Valentin. This goes a long way towards explaining his crappy AVE.

Last year Frank hit 24 home runs at home and 4 on the road.
This year Frank hit 29 at home and 13 on the road.

IIRC, Frank attributes this to playing DH. At home, he can hit in the cage behind the dugout between ABs. He asked JM to play him at 1B on the road so he can stay loose. JM denied the request because of Konerko's amazing defensive skills.