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bc2k
10-27-2003, 03:55 PM
I was working on my í04 Sox roster without success. Now that this Soriano possibility has been mentioned, I think my World Series roster is set. Iím not sure of every playerís salary, so I canít say if this team is under the $60 million budget.

-Trade Magglio for Soriano
-Also trade Thomas to the Yanks for Nick Johnson.
-Trade Crede and Koch to Minnesota for Koskie.

Can Soriano play SS? If so, here's the lineup:

SS Soriano
2B Alomar
LF Lee
RF Everett
1B Konerko (if he returns to old he can break up the two lefties)
DH Johnson
3B Koskie (takes Konerko's spot if Konerko is not productive)
CF Rowand
C Olivo

Colon (or equal #1 FA pitcher)
Loaiza
Buehrle
Garland
#5 FA pitcher (Anderson)?

Wright
Schoeneweis
Wunsch
FA/Minor leaguer
Hawkins
Marte (If Borowski can be a successful closer, Marte can too)



-hold2dibber posted the cost difference between Ordonez and Soriano = 13 million.
-Nick Johnson will make millions less than Thomas.
-Koskie will make 4.5 million in '04, which still saves almost 2 million off of Koch's 6+.

With the savings from these trades, the Sox will have no problem signing Everett, Hawkins, Anderson, and even $15 million for Colon, while resigning R. Alomar and the arbitration eligible players.

ScottyTheSoxFan
10-27-2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by bc2k
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-Trade Crede and Koch to Minnesota for Koskie.


not sure if i would give up crede - but no way in hell does minnesota trade with us, let alone take kocH off our hands

poorme
10-27-2003, 04:03 PM
Couple of problems.

The Yankees could just sign Thomas, so they aren't going to give away Nick Johnson.

No way Minnesota takes Koch.

Hawkins is probably going to get $4-5 mil/year.

bc2k
10-27-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by ScottyTheSoxFan


not sure if i would give up crede - but no way in hell does minnesota trade with us, let alone take kocH off our hands

Minnesota is possibly getting a 3Bman for the next 5+ years. I was hoping that fact would entice them to take on Koch's salary for one season. Heck, I'd be open to paying the difference between Koch's and Koskie's salary to make the trade a wash.


Originally posted by poorme
Couple of problems.

The Yankees could just sign Thomas, so they aren't going to give away Nick Johnson.

No way Minnesota takes Koch.

Hawkins is probably going to get $4-5 mil/year.

The Yankees can't just sign Thomas, the Sox hold an $8 million option.

poorme
10-27-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by bc2k
The Yankees can't just sign Thomas, the Sox hold an $8 million option.

Thomas has an option too.

bc2k
10-27-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by poorme
Thomas has an option too.

You said the Yankees could just sign Thomas without trading Johnson. I mentioned the team option b/c that option can keep Thomas from becoming a FA, and thus, signed by the Yankees.

poorme
10-27-2003, 04:15 PM
Ok. Well if the Yankees would do that, I'm all for it.

oldcomiskey
10-27-2003, 04:15 PM
first off you dont trade Ordonez for anyone--especially Soriano

RKMeibalane
10-27-2003, 04:31 PM
Everett is not coming back.

soxfan26
10-27-2003, 06:08 PM
:threadsucks

Umm yeah...

hold2dibber
10-27-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by bc2k
SS Soriano
2B Alomar
LF Lee
RF Everett
1B Konerko (if he returns to old he can break up the two lefties)
DH Johnson
3B Koskie (takes Konerko's spot if Konerko is not productive)
CF Rowand
C Olivo

Colon (or equal #1 FA pitcher)
Loaiza
Buehrle
Garland
#5 FA pitcher (Anderson)?

Wright
Schoeneweis
Wunsch
FA/Minor leaguer
Hawkins
Marte (If Borowski can be a successful closer, Marte can too)


This roster would be feasible from a financial standpoint, I think. Here are my salary estimates for the guys you mention:

SS Soriano ($1 mm)
2B Alomar ($2.5 mm)
LF Lee ($6 mm)
RF Everett ($5 mm)
1B Konerko ($8 mm)
DH Johnson ($350,000)
3B Koskie ($4.5 mm)
CF Rowand ($350,000)
C Olivo ($350,000)

Colon (or equal #1 FA pitcher) ($12 mm)
Loaiza ($3.5 mm)
Buehrle ($3 mm)
Garland ($2 mm)
#5 FA pitcher (Anderson)? ($2 mm)

Wright ($350,000)
Schoeneweis ($1 mm)
Wunsch ($800,000)
FA/Minor leaguer ($350,000)
Hawkins ($3.5 mm)
Marte ($500,000)

The total is about $57 million. Of course, you still need five guys on the bench, which gives you about $600,000 per reserve to play with, which should be enough.

With that said, I don't see the Twins taking the Koch deal. Which would add nearly $2 million back onto the roster. But with Colon apparently declining the Sox offer, I don't think there are any other pitchers out there worth $12 million. So maybe the Sox sign a couple of "B" level pitchers for a total of $10 million to make up the difference.

Finally, I am not crazy about the roster. Soriano is not capable of playing a decent SS defensively. I think Everett is a find no. 5 or 6 hitter, but not a no. 4 hitter. And the team would still lack a high OBP guy at the top of the order. Nonetheless, the Sox could do worse if they're really going to keep the payroll under $60 mm - it's the kind of creative deal making that KW is going to have to undertake this winter.