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JRIG
09-24-2003, 11:32 PM
If you look at Koch's numbers this year, they are actually quite similar to his 2001 season with Toronto.

2001:
4.30 BB/9 innings
7.17 K/9 innings
8.95 hits/9 innings

2003:
4.77 BB/9 innings
7.12 K/9 innings
10.0 hits/9 innings

So, I guess my question here is, if there's anyone on this board hoping Koch "regains his form", what makes you believe that his 2002 season is his real self, and not the numbers he's put up 2 of the last 3 years?

And, of course, why would KW promise this guy 6.25 million for 2004 before he even threw one pitch for the Sox?

gosox41
09-25-2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
If you look at Koch's numbers this year, they are actually quite similar to his 2001 season with Toronto.

2001:
4.30 BB/9 innings
7.17 K/9 innings
8.95 hits/9 innings

2003:
4.77 BB/9 innings
7.12 K/9 innings
10.0 hits/9 innings

So, I guess my question here is, if there's anyone on this board hoping Koch "regains his form", what makes you believe that his 2002 season is his real self, and not the numbers he's put up 2 of the last 3 years?

And, of course, why would KW promise this guy 6.25 million for 2004 before he even threw one pitch for the Sox?


But he had 44 saves in 2002 and that is a true indicator of how good a pitcher is. He is obviously great.

Looks like the numbers finally caught up with Billyboy. Over time a bad statistical pitcher will bear out to be bad and a good one will rise to the top. Maybe Billy had a lot of lucky breaks in 2002 where a lot of the guys he put on base didn't score.

Bob

hold2dibber
09-25-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
But he had 44 saves in 2002 and that is a true indicator of how good a pitcher is. He is obviously great.

Looks like the numbers finally caught up with Billyboy. Over time a bad statistical pitcher will bear out to be bad and a good one will rise to the top. Maybe Billy had a lot of lucky breaks in 2002 where a lot of the guys he put on base didn't score.

Bob

I agree that he was lucky last year - but he also pitched better than he pitched this year. I'm not a slave to the radar gun, but a pitcher throwing 99 mph surely has a little more leeway in terms of command thana pitcher throwing 91 mph. I'm pretty sure his K/9 ip and his BB/9 ip last year were much better than this year or in '01. So it's not like his underlying numbers were bad last year too - he wasn't just lucky, he was good (not great, but good). I'll be absolutely thrilled if he can return to '02 form next year - not as good as Foulke (not even close, really), but still prety good.

SouthBendSox
09-25-2003, 07:32 PM
saves really arent a useful stat

Koch proves that once again

what were his 2002 numbers ?

kermittheefrog
09-25-2003, 08:00 PM
An extra baserunner and a half per 9 innings is a big deal. He also only allowed 7 home runs in 94 innings in 2002 and allowed 10 in 53 innings this year. So while I agree saves are overrated and essentially useless, Koch really did suck ass this year.