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cheeses_h_rice
09-23-2003, 05:52 PM
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-whitesox&msg=22375.1&ctx=0

I think Jeter's being a tad disingenous with his defense of the Yankees' spending habits vs. producing. The Twins argument has some merit, but I think it's mostly a red herring here.

bobj4400
09-23-2003, 08:35 PM
Didnt the Twins begin the year with a higher payroll than the Sox anyway?? IIRC, they did by about 5 million. Our payroll probably is higher than theirs now b/c of midseason pickups...

Daver
09-23-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by bobj4400
Didnt the Twins begin the year with a higher payroll than the Sox anyway?? IIRC, they did by about 5 million. Our payroll probably is higher than theirs now b/c of midseason pickups...

The Sox didn't pay the payroll on most of their midseason acqusitions.

Nick@Nite
09-23-2003, 09:16 PM
The Twins & Sox payrolls are somewhat comparable, right? Within $10M or so of each other, in the $65M to $75M range, right?

The Yankees lead the league with a $180M payroll, $65M more than whoever is #2 in terms of payroll.

Jeter is right when he says (paraphrasing) "the Yankees have a chance to win because they spend a allot of money." That statement automatically qualifies him as the second smartest baseball mind in the league (everyone else tied for first).

Lip Man 1
09-23-2003, 11:40 PM
The Twins payroll was higher then the White Sox when the season began (how that for adding insult to injury...)

While the Sox were acquiring players and having other teams pay for it, the Twins picked up Shannon Stewart and paid a million of his salary. The twins also went out and outbid the Sox for kenny Rogers paying two million to get him.

Stewart has been the MVP of the league since the All Star break while Rogers (at last count) has won 12 games.

The Sox payroll right now is about 57 million, the Twins slightly higher both not even close to what Nick@Nite speculates. That's still amazingly embarassing considering the twins were slated for contraction two years ago...now their payroll is larger then the 3rd largest market in the country! LOL

Oh and here's something interesting...the papers today said the Cubs payroll was now almost 90 million bucks! Still think the Sox can compete with that? Time for a reality check by Uncle Jerry before next season starts don't you think?

Lip

DSpivack
09-24-2003, 01:13 AM
Yeah, I certainly recall the Sox "only" paying around $56 million out in salary this year anyhow. According to ESPN.com, in terms of total player salary, the White Sox stand at around $69 mil, with the twinkies at $68 mil. Wow! What a difference!
Money, money, money.

Do the tigers suck because of their small payroll? Oh, wait! They have a $46 million payroll. Please. Spending money is not a guarantor to success [Mets, Dodgers, cough, cough] , but you do need to roll out the wallet in order to have a chance at at succeeding.

Every major league team but three [Milwaukee, Toronto, and Tampa Bay] has at least a $42 mil payroll. Look at Florida and Oakland; their payrolls are at around $50 million, yet they seem to be headed towards the playoffs.

Small-market teams that succeed with smaller payrolls [Florida possibly- book is still very out on Loria; Oakland, Kansas City yes, Minnesota no] are just across the board well run organizations. This, as we know, does not describe the White Sox. Sure, Kenny Williams has made some nice deals; and he appears to be a competent general manager.

The problems this team have, however, are much more deep-rooted than Jerry Manuel. It is organization-wide; JR, please sell!

Paulwny
09-24-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1


The Sox payroll right now is about 57 million, the Twins slightly higher both not even close to what Nick@Nite speculates. That's still amazingly embarassing considering the twins were slated for contraction two years ago...now their payroll is larger then the 3rd largest market in the country! LOL

Oh and here's something interesting...the papers today said the Cubs payroll was now almost 90 million bucks! Still think the Sox can compete with that? Time for a reality check by Uncle Jerry before next season starts don't you think?

Lip

During last night's broadcast , YES Network, the 3 yank announcers discussed Jeter's comment and the sox payroll. Ex-oriole, Ken Singleton made these types of statements, which many of us have expressed.

Chicago is not a small market

The white sox not only compete with teams in their div but also against the cubs for fans.

The only way to fill seats is to win consistantly and that usually means spending money.