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Viva Magglio
09-11-2003, 06:08 PM
I just got back from today's debacle, and I think it was the worst time I ever had at Comiskey Park/U.S. Cellular Field. I'll comment on the ballclub's season ending downward spiral in one of the other threads, but here I want to discuss what happened in Section 116 (down the right field line) today.

My ticket was in Row 22 of that section. Those seats aren't bad, as many of you already know. The problem there today was that two people wearing Sluggers polo shirts came with a huge placard that read on one side "MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: 9 MILES NORTH" and "CUBS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES" on the other. Sluggers is a bar south of Wrigley Field down Clark Street for those who do not know. I only spent the first four innings in that section.

These guys were sitting three rows behind me, and these Cub fans were flashing the placard every so often. Right away, I got up and went to a nearby security guard and pointed this out to him. I forget exactly what I said to him, but the guard told me that he could not do anything because there were no vulgarities on the sign. The sign sort of showed that these guys are geographically challenged, however. The ballparks are 8.1 miles apart, not 9.

So I returned to my section. The guys from Sluggers continued to flash the placard with at least one of them pouring beer down his throat. Then, Loaiza started getting hit hard and these guys were obviously in all their glory. You can only imagine. After the bottom of the fourth, I decided to leave because I felt that serious trouble would arrive to that very area sooner or later. And I am absolutely certain that these guys came looking for trouble. No doubt about it.

Sure enough, during the next inning, trouble seemed to arrive. By this time, I was standing behind Section 134 which is on the third base side behind home plate. I saw a whole bunch of people stand and yell from the general area of my section and then saw what looked like the Cubbie placard go flying. I also saw at least one of the field security guards run up there.

I do not know what really did happen or who got taken away, but I noticed that the Sluggers guys appeared to still be there somehow when I walked along to concourse behind Section 116. I went back behind Section 134 and did not notice any other incidents.

As I said before, there is no doubt in my mind that these two Cub fans from Sluggers came into our ballpark seeking trouble. I find it quite ironic that they choose the very date of 9/11 in which to do this. This is a day that we remember the horrible events of two years ago, and these two dopes come into our ballpark and do what they did.

Having said that, I am not defending anyone going after these two guys. If any Sox fan engaged in calling these guys' bluff by engaging in a fight with them, the Sox fan would be taken away and rightfully so. The best thing to do is what I did, move somewhere else. Furthermore, I would not endorse the idea of any Sox fan going to Wrigley Field with a vitrolic anti-Cubs placard for the purpose of causing trouble.

Nevertheless, what these two individuals did was reprehensible. I will not make a paintbrush and say all Cub fans are like these morons, but it proves that this crosstown war is not entirely waged from our side of town as many media people and Cub fans believe. For every one of those "CORK" and "CUBS SUCK" shirts, there are "3 GREAT CHICAGO DISASTERS: THE FIRE, THE FLOOD, THE SOX" and "SOX SUCK" shirts.

All this experience and the terrible ballgame we had provided for was perhaps the worst time I ever had there.

cheeses_h_rice
09-11-2003, 06:42 PM
I was in Section 124 and only saw a few Flubbie hats. Most people there were hardcore Sox fans and were into the game. Too bad the team didn't come prepared; that third inning killed us.

I don't know what to expect for the rest of the year; all I know is, unless the Sox step up against some tough competition the rest of the year, the Twins will take this division by 2-3 games easily.

bc2k
09-11-2003, 06:48 PM
If that ever happens to any Sox fans here, I should give the advice I used to get dirty fans out of Comiskey. Earlier this season the Sox were playing the Blue Jays on a Monday night and I was sitting in the bleachers. Two Toronto fans were in full Maple Leaf garb (jersey and hat) and did not sit there and cheer for their team. They were obnoxious and hostile, screaming, and dancing on their seats after every Jay run.

The Sox were getting blown out that game so I was not in a good mood, so I went up to the usher. I told him that I overheard those two Toronto fans say they were going to run onto the field in the 7th inning. The usher asked me if they had been drinking, and I said they were loaded. He told security and obviously they take those kinds of threats seriously at Comiskey and a half inning later two huge security guards escorted those Toronto "fans" out of the park. The Toronto fans didn't even object, they just went with the flow - pretty hilarious. Everyone in the bleachers yelled in pleasure with their departure and threw peanuts at them.

So if you want some Cubs fans thrown out, say you overheard them say they're planning on running on the field after they finish their beers. It will work.

maurice
09-11-2003, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
"MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: 9 MILES NORTH"

Very original. Aside from the distance discrepancy Viva pointed out, these trolls would be surprised to learn the following:

- There actually was no MLB game being played on the North Side today. The Messiah was in Puerto Rico, extending the Cubs losing streak.

- Only one Chicago team is/was in first place, and they don't wear blue.

:gulp:

shane
09-11-2003, 07:56 PM
A guy I know from Indiana told me there used to be a Sox sign around the Wrigley exit on the interstate that said "Real Baseball - 7 miles South". If that's the case, then this wasn't original at all.

doogiec
09-11-2003, 08:08 PM
That happened a few years ago, but the sign was put up by ESPN 1000 radio, not the Sox. ESPN removed it at the White Sox's request.

kittle42
09-11-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by bc2k


So if you want some Cubs fans thrown out, say you overheard them say they're planning on running on the field after they finish their beers. It will work.

That is really a jerky thing to do. They weren't hurting anyone. I love going to the Urinal and actively rooting against the Cubs. No one has ever tried to get me thrown out.

Gumshoe
09-11-2003, 09:09 PM
Guys, I know exactly what Viva was saying because I was in row 12, Section 116 today. Terrible! Who are these people that come to games solely in order provoke White Sox fans ???

My point is, root for whoever you want, but the stupid Cubs are not playing here right now, so why are you wearing shirts, hats, or other paraphenalia? That is flat out out of line, and they know it. I was ambivalent about Cubs fans, but this has gone TOO FAR. I now really have a great dislike (i hate saying hate) for them and I root for them to lose, now. Screw those fans. I don't believe it's just a FEW either. There are TONS of Cub fans like this.

I NEVER go into Wrigley with a White Sox hat or anything on UNLESS they are playing in the game. This is ridiculous and childish. Furthermore, this other drunk Cub fan was trying to tell me that the Sox and Cubs both suck. 3rd most wins in the 90s doesn't suck. Not having back to back .500 seasons for 25 years does. While we haven't won a pennant or world championship in a while, the Sox surely have not been a BAD team

The Cubs have. But it won't matter. It'll be interesting but the Cubs won't make it, and we will. I can't think of anything more appropriate.

Gumshoe, pissed

jabrch
09-11-2003, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Gumshoe
It'll be interesting but the Cubs won't make it, and we will. I can't think of anything more appropriate.

Try both making it...all the way to the World Series - and then the Sox fans filling up a park for the final season gathering....GRANT PARK

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by maurice
The Messiah was in Puerto Rico, extending the Cubs losing streak.

Prior got crucified today? Cooooool.

34rancher
09-11-2003, 10:25 PM
The irony of all of this is that the owner of Sluggers is a hard core White Sox fan.

Viva Magglio
09-11-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Gumshoe
Guys, I know exactly what Viva was saying because I was in row 12, Section 116 today. Terrible! Who are these people that come to games solely in order provoke White Sox fans ???

My point is, root for whoever you want, but the stupid Cubs are not playing here right now, so why are you wearing shirts, hats, or other paraphenalia? That is flat out out of line, and they know it. I was ambivalent about Cubs fans, but this has gone TOO FAR. I now really have a great dislike (i hate saying hate) for them and I root for them to lose, now. Screw those fans. I don't believe it's just a FEW either. There are TONS of Cub fans like this.

I NEVER go into Wrigley with a White Sox hat or anything on UNLESS they are playing in the game. This is ridiculous and childish. Furthermore, this other drunk Cub fan was trying to tell me that the Sox and Cubs both suck. 3rd most wins in the 90s doesn't suck. Not having back to back .500 seasons for 25 years does. While we haven't won a pennant or world championship in a while, the Sox surely have not been a BAD team

The Cubs have. But it won't matter. It'll be interesting but the Cubs won't make it, and we will. I can't think of anything more appropriate.

Gumshoe, pissed

Gumshoe, were you there during the 5th? If so, what really happened?

Gumshoe
09-11-2003, 11:05 PM
Viva, I was there the whole time ... the 5th was the time when that stupid guy stood up and tried to provoke people with that dumb sign, no?

A guy got up around row 20 and just ripped it in half. Others joined. Not much more to say.

Gum

voodoochile
09-11-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Gumshoe
Viva, I was there the whole time ... the 5th was the time when that stupid guy stood up and tried to provoke people with that dumb sign, no?

A guy got up around row 20 and just ripped it in half. Others joined. Not much more to say.

Gum

From the LF bleachers, it looked like the fan who grabbed it then threw it back to the guy and disappeared onto the concourse back up the steps as security started to close on the situation.

That looked like the end of it from my perspective. From out there, you couldn't tell if they tore the sign in half or merely folded it up after grabbing it. The whole ballpark was clapping when the sign got taken away from the idiots...

39thandWallace
09-11-2003, 11:36 PM
Here is another article saying all we do is rip on Cub fans.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/slezak/cst-spt-fever11.html

I bought a "Cub Suck" shirt a few years ago and I probably can count on one hand how many times I've worn it.

If you wear that stuff you are looking for trouble.

voodoochile
09-11-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by 39thandWallace
Here is another article saying all we do is rip on Cub fans.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/slezak/cst-spt-fever11.html

I bought a "Cub Suck" shirt a few years ago and I probably can count on one hand how many times I've worn it.

If you wear that stuff you are looking for trouble.

Actually, my "Sosa Sucks Cork" t-shirt always gets me lots of smiles...

Hangar18
09-12-2003, 09:31 AM
I was at this game too, and it wasnt fun on many fronts.
Voodoo was sitting by me yesterday, and I pointed out how a Cub Fan was parading up and down the aisle with a Cubs WOrld series Sign, and egging on the crowd. OF course, he was getting stuff visibly thrown at him, and was getting booed big time. I was already in a bad mood because we were losing, so IM glad i wasnt over there. I remember commenting that I was about to go take a walk over there, and RIP THAT SIGN out of his hands personally, but then someone got up and did that, and got a great cheer from the Crowd. Bless Sox Fans. and yeah, they put something on a banner that WASNT ORIGINAL. Just like those tshirts that show the 3 greatest chicago tragedies.....it was originally saying "#3 the CUbs". Some cub fan over the yrs and just changed it to say the SOX. Not very original. I remember as a kid saying to myself cub fans werent to original or clever.

WORST However, was after the game. on the LF concourse. I know Ive said Twins fans are annoying, but for the most part ok.
There were about 10 twin fans, all VERY DRUNK, and name calling sox fans, make lewd gestures. one dude, a blonde guy, pretty tall, I almost got into a fight with. I SImply asked Him If he knew Where MARK PRIOR WAS, because I didnt see him all week. That got a Big Laugh from the sox fans taunting them back, and honestly, I think Twin Fans realize theyre Team wouldve been in 1st Place by like 8 games had they not been Sold out by their Owner and BUd Selig. Ive never seen a display like that by Twin fans Ever.......disappointeing

CLR01
09-12-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Gumshoe
My point is, root for whoever you want, but the [B]stupid Cubs are not playing here right now, so why are you wearing shirts, hats, or other paraphenalia



Same questions goes for sox fans who wear the sosa cork shirts and other cub suck shirts when the cubs are not there.

Jerko
09-12-2003, 11:55 AM
I NEVER wear ANYTHING CUB, even the Cork shirts or Sosa lumber company shirts. Nor do I go to the Urinal in full Sox regalia and cheer for the Astros. That is stupid. I'm a Raiders fan, so if Denver comes to Soldier Field I guess I should go to the game with all my Oakland stuff on. I would deserve to get my ass kicked, as do the Cub loser fans who get hammered, come to the Cell and puke all over the place before the game even starts (I was lucky enough to see that Tuesday nite), and incite people and then complain we get mad.

kittle42
09-12-2003, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
I NEVER wear ANYTHING CUB, even the Cork shirts or Sosa lumber company shirts. Nor do I go to the Urinal in full Sox regalia and cheer for the Astros. That is stupid. I'm a Raiders fan, so if Denver comes to Soldier Field I guess I should go to the game with all my Oakland stuff on. I would deserve to get my ass kicked, as do the Cub loser fans who get hammered, come to the Cell and puke all over the place before the game even starts (I was lucky enough to see that Tuesday nite), and incite people and then complain we get mad.

I still don't see what's wrong with, say, going to the Urinal in Sox stuff and rooting for the Astros. I do it all the time. It's fun, and I have never gotten into any kind of physical altercation. Hell, I *live* in Wrigleyville and wear my Cubs Suck stuff a lot.

Randar68
09-12-2003, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
I just got back from today's debacle, and I think it was the worst time I ever had at Comiskey Park/U.S. Cellular Field. I'll comment on the ballclub's season ending downward spiral in one of the other threads, but here I want to discuss what happened in Section 116 (down the right field line) today.

My ticket was in Row 22 of that section. Those seats aren't bad, as many of you already know. The problem there today was that two people wearing Sluggers polo shirts came with a huge placard that read on one side "MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: 9 MILES NORTH" and "CUBS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES" on the other. Sluggers is a bar south of Wrigley Field down Clark Street for those who do not know. I only spent the first four innings in that section.



I did not read all of the replies, but I was in 114.

At one point, these idiots started walking up and down the aisle. People were throwing hotdog wrappers, ketchup packets, anything. I saw what I thought was a pizza box. Their shirts were pretty much ruined. Later, a guy that might have been a Sox fan that was with them, took the guy's Cubs hat (a nice fitted one) and chucked it a couple sections over. I basically made it about 5 sections over and onto the field, where a security guard took it. The same guy later took the sign and tore it in half and a couple other pieces were removed from it.

It did not stop these dopes from acting like dopes though.



And Sox fans are the ones with a fixation on the other team.... Right, Giangreco, Adamle, and other media schills...

Jerko
09-12-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
I still don't see what's wrong with, say, going to the Urinal in Sox stuff and rooting for the Astros. I do it all the time. It's fun, and I have never gotten into any kind of physical altercation. Hell, I *live* in Wrigleyville and wear my Cubs Suck stuff a lot.

Allow me to rephrase that! Going to Cubs games for the sole purpose of provoking the Cub fans is as bad as the Cub fans provoking us at the cell. Yes, the last time I was at a Cub game (1990), cheered for the Reds, but the Reds have always been my favorite NL team. If I were at the Urinal, I would count on the Astros too, but if I went just to start trouble and got it, I would not be able to complain.

kittle42
09-12-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
but if I went just to start trouble and got it, I would not be able to complain.

I'd never complain, but I would laugh a lot.

TDog
09-12-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
Allow me to rephrase that! Going to Cubs games for the sole purpose of provoking the Cub fans is as bad as the Cub fans provoking us at the cell. Yes, the last time I was at a Cub game (1990), cheered for the Reds, but the Reds have always been my favorite NL team. If I were at the Urinal, I would count on the Astros too, but if I went just to start trouble and got it, I would not be able to complain.

Why on earth would I spend the time and money and go through the hassle of going to a Cubs game just to be a jerk? If I were to go with friends (fortunately I haven't known anyone in years who would want to drag me to a Cubs game when I am in the Chicago area), I wouldn't consider taunting the people around me. When I've been to Sox games in Anaheim and Milwaukee, I wore Sox stuff but had respect for the people around me -- who in turn respected that I was a baseball fan cheering for another team. This isn't British soccer.

If the Sox fans have a fixation on the Cubs it is because they are treated like garbage in their own Cubs-loving city.

freddyvsjason
09-12-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!

The problem there today was that two people wearing Sluggers polo shirts came with a huge placard that read on one side "MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: 9 MILES NORTH" and "CUBS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES" on the other.

I forget exactly what I said to him, but the guard told me that he could not do anything because there were no vulgarities on the sign.

I believe the guard is wrong. It is within his right to take away any contraband that could lead to an altercation.

Your best route is to alert the SOX, KW, & the head of security on this matter so that the guards can be properly trained to deal with this.

The best approach would have been for the guard to collect the sign on the basis that it was obstructing the view of fans in the section & that they could visit the lost & found on the way out to retrieve it if they wanted.

steff
09-12-2003, 05:54 PM
We were in 107 and saw the entire thing. If I coudda hit him with a peanut, I'd have tossed one. :D:

Did they give him back his hat?