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JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:04 PM
Alomar, 2B
Lee, LF
Thomas, DH
Ordonez, RF
Everett, CF
Daubach, 1B
Valentin, SS
Crede, 3B
Olivo, C

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:06 PM
This game makes me nervous.

Why is Konerko not in the lineup? He's one of our hottest hitters!

Thank you Tinkerbell!

duke of dorwood
09-11-2003, 02:07 PM
After that fine at bat last night, he deserves it

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:09 PM
:jerry

"I felt bad for Brian. He didn't really get a full at bat last night. Somehow the ice cream I gave him after the game just didn't seem like enough."

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:09 PM
Hasn't Daubach been hitless for a long time? If so, maybe he's due...

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
Hasn't Daubach been hitless for a long time? If so, maybe he's due...

Now isn't the time to find out.

duke of dorwood
09-11-2003, 02:17 PM
FRANK BABY

Brian26
09-11-2003, 02:17 PM
Frank.

1-0 Sox

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:17 PM
1-0 sox on franks's 40th HR!!!
Go White Sox!!!

duke of dorwood
09-11-2003, 02:18 PM
What's the crowd look like? 40 for BIG FRANK

Fisk72
09-11-2003, 02:18 PM
It's a GONNER!!! Now let's keep it up, guys! Hold 'em ELo, and lets get some more.

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:19 PM
FRANK!!

Congrats on #40 to the best player in White Sox history.

duke of dorwood
09-11-2003, 02:20 PM
C Lee and Maggs first pitch outs-Frank looks at them, HR

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
What's the crowd look like? 40 for BIG FRANK

Crowd doesn't look all that good. The seats behind the left field foul pole looked empty so that might say there isn't a packed house...

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
Crowd doesn't look all that good. The seats behind the left field foul pole looked empty so that might say there isn't a packed house...

If I could have weaseled out of work, I would have been there with a f'n bell on.

ENOUGH WITH THE ATTENDANCE CRAP! IT'S TIRED!

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
If I could have weaseled out of work, I would have been there with a f'n bell on.

ENOUGH WITH THE ATTENDANCE CRAP! IT'S TIRED!

He asked.
I answered.
Sorry if I offended...

ShoelessFred
09-11-2003, 02:24 PM
THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON THAT DAUBACH IS STARTING IN THIS GAME. PLEASE OH PLEASE MR. WILLIAMS, FIRE HIS ASS!

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
He asked.
I answered.
Sorry if I offended...

Dude, no.

I wasn't yelling at you, just in general. Don't take it that way. :smile:

It's just that a lot of threads have been attendance-based lately, and it's ruining threads.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 02:26 PM
The key to this game is run support. If we put up 3+ runs we have this game.

FJA
09-11-2003, 02:27 PM
Wow ... Loaiza's stuff looks really, really good today.

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
The key to this game is run support. If we put up 3+ runs we have this game.

I agree. Loaiza can hold a lead if he is given one.

fhqwhgads
09-11-2003, 02:28 PM
Only positive thing for the Twins so far is ELo's pitch count: 30 through 2 innings.

FJA
09-11-2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
Hasn't Daubach been hitless for a long time? If so, maybe he's due...

His career average against Radke is .385 w/ 3 HRs. I don't know what Konerko's is, but I'm guessing it's not as good.

Also, I know we all complain when Daubach is out there, but we need to play him sometime ... we need to get him some ABs, because if we make the playoffs we're going to need him off the bench.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:33 PM
Nice aggressive baserunning HOSE!

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by FJA
His career average against Radke is .385 w/ 3 HRs. I don't know what Konerko's is, but I'm guessing it's not as good.

Also, I know we all complain when Daubach is out there, but we need to play him sometime ... we need to get him some ABs, because if we make the playoffs we're going to need him off the bench.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Let the man play today...

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
Took the words right out of my mouth. Let the man play today...

This isn't like Willie Harris playing for Everett. Daubach is an actual major league baseball player, and he's productive. The .370 OBP is nice, and he seems to play better when he gets the full 4 at bats a game.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:37 PM
Ugh, here come the Twinks.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:38 PM
Loaiza lets the bottom 3 of the lineup on base.

Here we go......

Hondo
09-11-2003, 02:39 PM
bottom three in the lineup. bases loaded. Come On ELO. Don't meltdown now.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:39 PM
The free passes are going to kill us, because the Vampires capitalize on EVERY scoring opporunity.

fhqwhgads
09-11-2003, 02:39 PM
Have the Twins hit anyone with a pitch this series?

FJA
09-11-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Loaiza lets the bottom 3 of the lineup on base.

Here we go......

Ugh ... This sucks.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:40 PM
Bases clearing triple.

Lovely.

kldfjlksdfjslk

Huisj
09-11-2003, 02:40 PM
WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT??? sheesh, here we go, choking on D.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 02:41 PM
game set match

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:41 PM
4-1 Twins.

This just may be our season folks.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:42 PM
Sox need to watch and learn.

Look at how the Twins score EVERYTIME they get a chance. They never hit the crapper when they get chances.

Meanwhile, Loaiza is getting smoked.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
4-1 Twins.

This just may be our season folks.

Good lord, ****ing relax. There's plenty of Baseball left.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:44 PM
Loaiza isn't getting any calls on the corners. He's gotta throw it down the middle and he's getting hit.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
Good lord, ****ing relax. There's plenty of Baseball left.

Do you watch these games?

Do you realize once something like this happens, the White Sox start pressing and end up losing their focus? Next thing you know, the pitcher of the opposing team breezes through our lineup. Then you have to face their pen. That's real fun.

Huisj
09-11-2003, 02:46 PM
hawk says "we need three to tie." isn't that what you usually say in the ninth?

Hondo
09-11-2003, 02:47 PM
Maybe Loazia won't take the bottom of the order so lightly from now on. You can't let the 7,8,9 beat you.

If the top of the order produces runs and wins then you tip your cap at them.

That being said, I think we win today. We won't press.

Frank's HR is a good sign for today. Frank hits, we win.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 02:47 PM
If this team has heart they will try to do the little things to win. My opinion this team has no heart, and AT Money is right.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Do you watch these games?

Don't start. I watch almost all of the games. I am a positive Sox fan. I believe in them.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
Don't start. I watch almost all of the games. I am a positive Sox fan. I believe in them.

Anyone who knows the White Sox, knows that:

#1 We're not a comeback team.
#2 Once we're behind, we begin pressing which makes life easier on the other teams pitcher, leading to #1

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Sox need to watch and learn.

Look at how the Twins score EVERYTIME they get a chance. They never hit the crapper when they get chances.



Obviously, you'll argue that "stats don't tell the whole story," but on the season with runners in scoring position, the Twins bat .278/.340/.405. The Sox are at .271/.350/.466.

I agree that it seems that the Sox have trouble in those situations, but those numbers are very similar.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 02:50 PM
u can stay positive. Ill be a realist watching mimnnesota passes us up

ShoelessFred
09-11-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Loaiza isn't getting any calls on the corners. He's gotta throw it down the middle and he's getting hit.

YES! and radke seems to be getting every freaking pitch. i noticed this in the first inning. the umpire called the outside pitch once. that was on the strikeout. every other time loaiza threw it in the SAME SPOT it was called a ball.

shane
09-11-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Huisj
hawk says "we need three to tie." isn't that what you usually say in the ninth?

Maybe he's wanting them to play like it's the ninth.

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
If this team has heart they will try to do the little things to win. My opinion this team has no heart, and AT Money is right.

I think if this team has any heart they should start hitting doubles and home runs, the big things that win games.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:52 PM
Nice inning. Radke maybe threw 13 pitches.

shane
09-11-2003, 02:52 PM
Here's our chance to get some back!! Gotta go to a meeting. Hope I come back and see the good guys on top!!

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
I think if this team has any heart they should start hitting doubles and home runs, the big things that win games.

If that's what you think, then maybe you need to get a job on Jerry Manuel's staff. Because that's what they've done all year and it hasn't worked in games they are trailing.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Anyone who knows the White Sox, knows that:

#1 We're not a comeback team.
#2 Once we're behind, we begin pressing which makes life easier on the other teams pitcher, leading to #1

Anyone who is a fan of the White Sox knows they need all the support they can get. I'm not giving up on them.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 02:54 PM
Our defense is horrible. Valentin can't get the ball out of his glove.

Arrrrg.

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 02:55 PM
Hate to say it, but it looks like the Twins want this game more.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by shane
Here's our chance to get some back!! Gotta go to a meeting. Hope I come back and see the good guys on top!!

Hey, look! A Sox fan thinking positive! WOW!

Dadawg_77
09-11-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
If that's what you think, then maybe you need to get a job on Jerry Manuel's staff. Because that's what they've done all year and it hasn't worked in games they are trailing.

ok question, if you are down three runs, why give up outs to make up one run? A Team only has 27 outs to outscore their opponent. If you are down, why waste outs? You need to get guys on base not move them over.

joecrede
09-11-2003, 02:57 PM
Get Schoenweiss up, Loaiza's velocity ain't there and his location has been spotty.

balboner
09-11-2003, 02:57 PM
I'd like to take this time to say SCREW YOU Jose Paniagua and Jerry Manuel. We completely gave the Twins the momentum back on Tuesday night with that 9th inning debacle.

JRIG
09-11-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
ok question, if you are down three runs, why give up outs to make up one run? A Team only has 27 outs to outscore their opponent. If you are down, why waste outs? You need to get guys on base not move them over.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was going to write.

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 02:58 PM
Wow, how about that nice double play turn...... :(:

thepaulbowski
09-11-2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
Hey, look! A Sox fan thinking positive! WOW!

He should be banned from posting here! We only allow pessimistic views! :D:

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 02:59 PM
Hawk and Dj in an argument about that last play, lol.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 03:00 PM
how about a nice double.

fhqwhgads
09-11-2003, 03:00 PM
On a side note, WCCO (Twins' flagship) is reporting that the Twins won a coin flip today which determined that a potential division playoff between the Twins and Sox would be played at the Metrodome.

I thought it was head-to-head season series record...

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by fhqwhgads
On a side note, WCCO (Twins' flagship) is reporting that the Twins won a coin flip today which determined that a potential division playoff between the Twins and Sox would be played at the Metrodome.

I thought it was head-to-head season series record...

Isn't it just a little early for this coin flip to happen? If not, I wonder if the Sox won the KC/Sox coin flip...

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Hawk and Dj in an argument about that last play, lol.

What side is each guy on?

Listening to Rooney and Farmer.
They seem to be on Loazia a little today in a very indirect way.

Mammoo
09-11-2003, 03:03 PM
I know it's early in the game, but a loss here really puts the Sox in a tough spot. Their only real hope of winning the division is the game today and the three in Minnesota. Otherwise their fate is in the hands of Detroit and Cleveland. :o:

This really is a big game and ES has disappointed thus far. He's had a great year but he's got to shut the Twins out the rest of the way or sadness will befall the South Side. :angry:

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 03:04 PM
I am so sick of this team swinging for the fences. shorten the bats.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
ok question, if you are down three runs, why give up outs to make up one run? A Team only has 27 outs to outscore their opponent. If you are down, why waste outs? You need to get guys on base not move them over.

How about getting the leadoff guy on base?

This "homer happy" mentality gets us nowhere in games that we trail. We see a lot of popups and strikeouts, and that's exactly what we've gotten today.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:06 PM
Alright Carl.

Is Pierdumbfaceznyskijackamahoney talking to all of our batters? that's what rooney and farmer are saying?

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:08 PM
I'm not going to speculate on the outcome of this game, but this game is important for so many reasons.

1) Division Standings: We tie for the lead with the Twins if we lose. We go to Boston, they go to Cleveland--advantage Twins, and we can't go into the Metrodome with the Twins in the division lead. There is a very good chance of that happening if we lose this game.

2) Momentum: If we HAVE to split with the Twins, us losing the last two games is the worst possible scenario. The Twins came into this series looking for a split; we came in looking for three of four. As if it's not enough to lose two games in a row and lose momentum, we also lose momentum knowing that we couldn't get the job done against the most important team to get the job done against. And it's not only momentum going into next week's series, it's momentum going into this weekend as they face a worse team than we do.

3) The "20th Win" distraction: The LAST thing we need is the distraction of trying to get Loaiza his 20th win, which might happen even if we win this game. It shouldn't be a distraction, but it is--for Loaiza and for the team as the press continues to badger them with it.

My good feelings about us winning the division lessen considerably if we lose this game. I know there's a lot of baseball left to be played, and you can say "every game is equally important" all you want, but the fact of the matter is, losing this game could very well lead to a domino effect of bad things that cause us to lose this division.

We really need to step it up here, starting in the fourth.

Chisox353014
09-11-2003, 03:09 PM
That Daubach move is looking real shrewd right about now. WTG, Jerry. :angry:

fhqwhgads
09-11-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Hondo
Is Pierdumbfaceznyskijackamahoney...

LOL! That's the best bastardization of his name on this board yet!

Dadawg_77
09-11-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
How about getting the leadoff guy on base?

This "homer happy" mentality gets us nowhere in games that we trail. We see a lot of popups and strikeouts, and that's exactly what we've gotten today.

How about getting everyone on base.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by fhqwhgads
LOL! That's the best bastardization of his name on this board yet!
It's partly inspired by Strong Bad

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:11 PM
I'm going to start keeping track of our outs.

Maggs - Pop up
Daubach - Pop up
Valentin - Strike out

anewman35
09-11-2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Chisox353014
That Daubach move is looking real shrewd right about now. WTG, Jerry. :angry:

Yes, go right ahead, blame another badly played game on Jerry. It's ALL Jerry's fault. How dare he pitch so badly!

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Yes, go right ahead, blame another badly played game on Jerry. It's ALL Jerry's fault. How dare he pitch so badly!

Why do you take one of our hottest bats out of the lineup? Explain that one to me.

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Yes, go right ahead, blame another badly played game on Jerry. It's ALL Jerry's fault. How dare he pitch so badly!

How dare he hit so badly as well!

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:15 PM
Daubach is surronded by EIGHT other guys in the lineup so let's not blame Manuel today.

We aren't working the count enough on every at bat.
We're looking to hit homers
Loaiza lost concentration in the third

That's why were losing. Granted Manuel isn't the sort of manager I'd ideally want but our players have to know the importance of this game and play with a sense of urgency.

Still plent of time and Loaiza has regained composure. We'll win if we can just put some balls into play.

anewman35
09-11-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
How dare he hit so badly as well!

Not to mention his defense!

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:16 PM
2 OUT WALK

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Why do you take one of our hottest bats out of the lineup? Explain that one to me.

1 for 9 in this series...3 walks...not too bad I guess...Maybe JM wanted to rest PK and get the rust off Daubach's bat. Believe me, it's rusty.

Dadawg_77
09-11-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Soxfan7070
1 for 9 in this series...3 walks...not too bad I guess...Maybe JM wanted to rest PK and get the rust off Daubach's bat. Believe me, it's rusty.

Man, why not play Frank at first?

Chisox353014
09-11-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by anewman35
Yes, go right ahead, blame another badly played game on Jerry. It's ALL Jerry's fault. How dare he pitch so badly!

If you can defend taking the guy who's been the Sox second hottest hitter since the break out of the lineup for a guy that's been rotting on the bench for months now, go right ahead. It doesn't make any sense to me. I thought this was the biggest game of the year and we need to win it?

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:19 PM
What just went on in right field that got the fans cheering? Did someone run on the field.

Farmer and Rooney didn't know what was up. Surprise Surprise

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:19 PM
Why is it that whenever Lecroy comes up, we need to hear how "big and strong" he is?

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:19 PM
Loiaza is really starting to get pissed at the ump, and rightfully so. Not getting these corner calls is forcing him to throw down the middle. The game calling in this series has been absolutely horrid, on BOTH sides. Looks like the umps are making up for the blown calls in the first 2 games in the 2nd two!

LASOXFAN
09-11-2003, 03:20 PM
Just turned on the tube here at work and thought I was going to hurl. This blows huge. I agree with A.T. Money, the Sox are gonna start pressing. What a shame, I truly believe they're a better team. But what the hell do I know anyway.

come on...somebody turn the big mo in our direction...

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:21 PM
There's a start. Nice hitting Crede.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:21 PM
Cool, lead off guy is on.

Come on Miguel, you know you're not going to see any fastballs.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Why do you take one of our hottest bats out of the lineup? Explain that one to me.

Ok AT, I'm not agreeing with you much today, but you're right here. I saw a stat somewhere that said Daubach hits well against Radke. BUT, he's rusty from inactivity. Hell, he's having a bad year all around. Put in Paulie before it's too late.

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
Wow, I am appalled by the umpiring. However, I'll take it.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
Uh oh!

1st and 2nd nobody out.

Let's go Robbie. This is what I'm talking about guys. You have to prepare yourself for the big hits.

Let's go.

mandmandm
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
1`st and 2nd, no out.

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
NICE HUSTLE OLIVO!!!

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
We got one back, now let's go!!!!!!!!!

LASOXFAN
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
glad that ump's on the payroll

fhqwhgads
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
These umpires may be the worst ever.

4-1, white Sox.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:22 PM
OK. 1st and 2nd no outs.

No Runs here = No chance at win

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:23 PM
2nd and 3rd. 1 out. Cmon Lee.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:23 PM
2nd and 3rd, 1 out. We failed last night, now we need to come through.

It's up to Carlos and Frank.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:23 PM
Carlos failed.

Frank's turn.

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:24 PM
Unbelievable. *** Lee.

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by humansushi
NICE HUSTLE OLIVO!!!

Or, "way to get lucky, Olivo." :D:

Either way, if we don't take advantage of that mistake, we don't deserve to win this game ... that was a horrible call by the 1B ump.

And, of course, Carlos comes up and tries to hit a home run on the first pitch ... AGAIN. :angry: :angry: :angry:

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:24 PM
UN-FREAKING-BELIEVEABLE

HIT A SAC FLY, CLEE

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Or, "way to get lucky, Olivo." :D:

Either way, if we don't take advantage of that mistake, we don't deserve to win this game ... that was a horrible call by the 1B ump.

And, of course, Carlos comes up and tries to hit a home run on the first pitch ... AGAIN. :angry: :angry: :angry:

I agree but the hustle makes it a tough call

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Hondo
UN-FREAKING-BELIEVEABLE

HIT A SAC FLY, CLEE

Carlos has improved a ton over the last few years, but someone really needs to call him on his plate patience with RISP. He's almost always first pitch swinging, and he often makes bad contact when we really need him to come through.

ndgt10
09-11-2003, 03:26 PM
Stick a fork in em, there done. Atleast for this game anyway....

LASOXFAN
09-11-2003, 03:26 PM
This is the guy you want at the plate

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:27 PM
Frank failed.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Stick a fork in em, there done. Atleast for this game anyway....

I won't say we'll lose just yet, but this inning sure as hell seems to set a tone for the remainder of the game.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:27 PM
SUPERB!!!

WAY TO GO FELLAS!!!!!

Chisox353014
09-11-2003, 03:28 PM
I'm having 2000 playoff flashbacks right about now.

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 03:28 PM
I won't say we'll lose just yet, but this inning sure as hell seems to set a tone for the remainder of the game.

this is our season in a nutshell. game could have easily been 4-2 or 4-3, but no lets try for a homerun.

We are pathetic

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:29 PM
I don't know why I'm awake at 4:30 am for this game, it doesn't seem very healthy, the stress this team puts us through.

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Frank failed.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

Frank's popping up wasn't the defining play in this inning. The defining play was Carlos popping up on the first pitch with a runner on third and one out. Frank's failure ... not good, but sometimes you make an out. It wouldn't have bothered me had Carlos made an out, AS LONG AS HE MADE THE EFFORT TO GET ONE RUN IN, which he didn't do. We needed to put a run on the board there. Desperately.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:30 PM
Twins cash in on those types of opporunities everytime.

This is why we are DEADMEAT in this division if we lose today.

Dadawg_77
09-11-2003, 03:30 PM
Robbie should not have bunted there. You give an out for not a great tactical situation. You are down three runs, putting a guy on second and third only gets you two runs with a hit. The Sox went against the cost/reward and lost.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Frank's popping up wasn't the defining play in this inning. The defining play was Carlos popping up on the first pitch with a runner on third and one out. Frank's failure ... not good, but sometimes you make an out. It wouldn't have bothered me had Carlos made an out, AS LONG AS HE MADE THE EFFORT TO GET ONE RUN IN, which he didn't do. We needed to put a run on the board there. Desperately.

Dude, I was referring the whole failure of the inning.

Quit nitpicking my posts.

toledosoxfan
09-11-2003, 03:35 PM
all right ELO...now lets get some runs back...

JRIG
09-11-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
this is our season in a nutshell. game could have easily been 4-2 or 4-3, but no lets try for a homerun.

We are pathetic

Game could have esily been 4-4 too if Carlos or Frank go deep, which, by the way, they are very good at doing.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:35 PM
The game I can't get out of my head is the one where we faced Harden and the A's.

We couldn't hit off him and about the third time around the order we realized HEY MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST TRY TO PUT THE BAT ON THE BALL AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Well what happened was they advanced runners, flustered Harden and sent him to the showers early.

Now I know Radke is a vet but what I'm saying is this team has enough talent to adjust and just put the ball in play.

I don't know if it's lack of concentration or inability to take pressure situations but if I hear "Fly ball and this is staying in the park" one more time from the sox today I may implode.

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Dude, I was referring the whole failure of the inning.

Quit nitpicking my posts.

Dude, that's fine, but your post said: "Frank failed, unacceptable." Sounds to me like you're placing the brunt of the blame on Frank, which, by the way, didn't particularly bother me, but I disagreed. You really don't have to get bent out of shape about it.

toledosoxfan
09-11-2003, 03:39 PM
I like 2 out singles!! put on those rally caps...

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Dude, that's fine, but your post said: "Frank failed, unacceptable." Sounds to me like you're placing the brunt of the blame on Frank, which, by the way, didn't particularly bother me, but I disagreed. You really don't have to get bent out of shape about it.

Read the post above it. It said Carlos failed. Frank's turn.

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by toledosoxfan
I like 2 out singles!! put on those rally caps...

Jose Valentin always worries me when there are two outs ... and there he goes striking out. Damn.

thepaulbowski
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
this is our season in a nutshell. game could have easily been 4-2 or 4-3, but no lets try for a homerun.

We are pathetic

A pathetic team that will (at worst) be tied for first place.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
Yaaaaaaaaay.

toledosoxfan
09-11-2003, 03:40 PM
nevermind....blech

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:42 PM
Well at least the game's moving along at a decent pace. You know because obiviously the Sox have more important things to do today.

But hats off to Radke he's just plain outpitching Loaiza and making the Sox look bad for the most part.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:42 PM
Pierzijfijkkl crushed the ball for a ground rule double.

Well else is new?

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:44 PM
Good lord, can someone please get this loud Twins fan away from the TV microphone? It's making me nauseous (as if the game itself isn't doing enough of that.)

hold2dibber
09-11-2003, 03:45 PM
ESPN.com is slow as hell today (and I couldn't get mlb.com gameday to work at all). I have 2nd and 3rd, one out (after an Olivo bunt) and Alomar coming to the plate in the bottom of the 5th. Is that where we're at, or are the Twins hitting in the top of the 6th now still up 4-1? I'm confused. :?:

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:46 PM
top 7, 1 out, man on 2nd.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
ESPN.com is slow as hell today (and I couldn't get mlb.com gameday to work at all). I have 2nd and 3rd, one out (after an Olivo bunt) and Alomar coming to the plate in the bottom of the 5th. Is that where we're at, or are the Twins hitting in the top of the 6th now still up 4-1? I'm confused. :?:
1 out Pierzynski on second, stewart up, top 7

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:48 PM
5-1 Twins ... we better come back with a run or two AT LEAST in the bottom of the 7th.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:48 PM
I hope the White Sox have their pad and pen.

Take note:

This is how you score when you get the opportunity.

5-1 Twins.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Miles? Huh?

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Aaron Miles!!!!

LOL, brilliant move Jerry. LMAO!

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Why the hell is Miles hitting here?

SoxFanDan
09-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Aaron Miles my favorite point guard on the kansas jayhawks.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Billy Koch in the pen.

We should have had Koch in Tuesday's blowout.

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by humansushi
Why the hell is Miles hitting here?

Don't look now, but Billy Koch is warming up in the bullpen.

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:57 PM
UH OH! KOCH warming up in the bullpen. This game is officially gone!

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by humansushi
Why the hell is Miles hitting here?

:jerry
"A pennant race is a good time for a young man to make his major league debut."

C'mon Jerry, give us a fighting chance.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 03:57 PM
and I hear Koch is warming up.

I smell...Ambivalence

FJA
09-11-2003, 03:58 PM
C'mon Carlos. Redeem yourself.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
:jerry
"A pennant race is a good time for a young man to make his major league debut."

C'mon Jerry, give us a fighting chance.

LMAO!

Then you wonder why WSI has had a lot of article ripping Ghandi lately? HAH!

humansushi
09-11-2003, 03:59 PM
What's really sad about this game is that we have a hit in EVERY inning and 2 in the fifth. But the only run to cross the plate is Thomas's homer.

Soxfan7070
09-11-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Good lord, can someone please get this loud Twins fan away from the TV microphone? It's making me nauseous (as if the game itself isn't doing enough of that.)

Yessir. He is annoying....and now Alomar is picked off...

JRIG
09-11-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by humansushi
Why the hell is Miles hitting here?

If Jerry felt the need to pinch hit a lefty there, why not a player with actual talent like Armando Rios. Unbelievable.

FJA
09-11-2003, 04:00 PM
Oh boy ... that was terrible.

Huisj
09-11-2003, 04:00 PM
alomar picked off?? you gotta be kidding me. this is the worst sox game they've played in a long time. just terrible

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:00 PM
Alomar getting picked off. Jesus.

Now we're not even giving ourselves a CHANCE to drive runs in.

We're regressing here. Pretty sad.

Hondo
09-11-2003, 04:01 PM
I'm done with this game.
Going back to work.

Good luck fellas.

FJA
09-11-2003, 04:01 PM
This team doesn't look awake enough to come back today.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by JRIG
If Jerry felt the need to pinch hit a lefty there, why not a player with actual talent like Armando Rios. Unbelievable.

This post should have been teal.

thepaulbowski
09-11-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Alomar getting picked off. Jesus.

Now we're not even giving ourselves a CHANCE to drive runs in.

We're regressing here. Pretty sad.


Waiting for somebody to blame this of Manuel.

kraut83
09-11-2003, 04:03 PM
Hey Jerry, Willie Harris hasn't had his turn yet!

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by thepaulbowski
Waiting for somebody to blame this of Manuel.

Look at the whole picture. Or are you failing to see it because of your myopia.

I'm not going to paint the picture for you. If you experienced this game and didn't question a single move Ghandi made, then I'm afraid you can't be helped.

NEXT!

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
LMAO!

Then you wonder why WSI has had a lot of article ripping Ghandi lately? HAH!

Wha? When did I mention any articles about JM. Everybody know he's on crack. This team has made it this far despite him. All I'm saying is this team needs a cheering section. They don't need to read how they "press" and always lose in that situation. Isn't it nice to see them in first place this late? Get behind them. Some of you guys sound like god damn Cub fans.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by kraut83
Hey Jerry, Willie Harris hasn't had his turn yet!

Welcome aboard! :D:

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
Wha? When did I mention any articles about JM. Everybody know he's on crack. This team has made it this far despite him. All I'm saying is this team needs a cheering section. They don't need to read how they "press" and always lose in that situation. Isn't it nice to see them in first place this late? Get behind them. Some of you guys sound like god damn Cub fans.

Sorry, that was a different thread. People were bitching about the negativity of the site and the articles ripping JM.

So I said "you" meant for the third person. I just quoted you to prove the point.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Sorry, that was a different thread. People were bitching about the negativity of the site and the articles ripping JM.

So I said "you" meant for the third person. I just quoted you to prove the point.

Positive or negative, we can all agree that JM is a crack head. That should be a given.

FJA
09-11-2003, 04:20 PM
This team looks mentally defeated out there, and have all game.

thepaulbowski
09-11-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Look at the whole picture. Or are you failing to see it because of your myopia.

I'm not going to paint the picture for you. If you experienced this game and didn't question a single move Ghandi made, then I'm afraid you can't be helped.

NEXT!

I wasn't directing this at you, it was general statement. But all your arrogance aside, I know a bit about the game and don't need you to paint me a picture through your eyes...I'm looking at things objectively. Everything from starting daubach to who's warming up has been questioned. But I guess there's a reason you are posting messages while others manage games, albeit he doesn't do it well.

JJAustin69
09-11-2003, 04:30 PM
What a waste of a series. We had these guys on the ropes. I can't believe we let them up. This is just sorry.

LuvSox
09-11-2003, 04:35 PM
JOSE, jose jose jose, jo-se, jo-se!

FJA
09-11-2003, 04:35 PM
Glad Jose pulled that out of his arsenal now, and not earlier. :(: Let's see if we can make 'em sweat with two outs.

FJA
09-11-2003, 04:38 PM
This is bad, folks. We may have just fallen back into that hole we dug ourselves by not beating the likes of Detroit, Cleveland and Tampa Bay.

thepaulbowski
09-11-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by FJA
This is bad, folks. We may have just fallen back into that hole we dug ourselves by not beating the likes of Detroit, Cleveland and Tampa Bay.

At least fate of this team is still in the Sox hands. As long as they put this game behind them and start another streak, everything will be OK.

Blue Skies....remember....Blue Skies :smile:

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:43 PM
I relate this to Tuesday.

Manuel could have stepped on their throats and could have hammered the oak stake in their chests. But nope, it was taken for granted, and here are the Twins, as alive and full of energy as ever. Now, we're the ones who are drained from the series.

They are a team of Vampires....you don't put the stake in their chest, they rise and suck the life out of you and get stronger.

kempsted
09-11-2003, 04:43 PM
Too bad. I hate to say it but we are on the outside track now.

To Manuel appologists. No one should say he single handedly lost the game. As you say Loaiza wasn't on, the hitting was bad and so was the fielding. Agreed.

But, I have never seen a manager who makes as many stupid decisions. There is AT LEAST one per game. Konerko should have played and not Daubach. That would have been true even if Daubach hit a game winning grand slam. It isn't 20/20 hind site it is just plain common sense.

So I think we have the right to point out the mistakes he makes even if they don't cost us the game. STOP saying "That's just hindsight" or "Gee Jerry didn't hit...". Obviously we all know they can win despite Manuel. He just doesn't help them.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by kempsted
Too bad. I hate to say it but we are on the outside track now.

To Manuel appologists. No one should say he single handedly lost the game. As you say Loaiza wasn't on, the hitting was bad and so was the fielding. Agreed.

But, I have never seen a manager who makes as many stupid decisions. There is AT LEAST one per game. Konerko should have played and not Daubach. That would have been true even if Daubach hit a game winning grand slam. It isn't 20/20 hind site it is just plain common sense.

So I think we have the right to point out the mistakes he makes even if they don't cost us the game. STOP saying "That's just hindsight" or "Gee Jerry didn't hit...". Obviously we all know they can win despite Manuel. He just doesn't help them.

You're right about that.

doublem23
09-11-2003, 04:48 PM
Nah, the Twins are done.

A.T. Money
09-11-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by doublem23
Nah, the Twins are done.

Huh?

bc2k
09-11-2003, 05:09 PM
For the second year in a row the Twins have stopped a Sox pitcher from getting his 20th win against them.

Yesterday Manuel said during the post game conference that he had never managed a 20 game winner so he's excited about Loaiza's start. Remember last year when Manuel single handidly stopped Buehrle from getting 20 wins? Buehrle threw 9 innings with about 100 pitches in a tie game, and despite heavy lobbying from Cooper, Nossek, and Buehrle himself, Manuel wouldn't let Buehrle pitch the 10th to go for the win. The Sox won the game in the tenth inning. No wonder you have never managed a 20 game winner, Manuel. You suck.

doublem23
09-11-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by A.T. Money
Huh?

I'm not spending the next three weeks in a self-imposed state of negativity. This year has been too weird for it to end sadly. The Twins are dead and the Sox are gonna win this damn thing whether they want to or not.

**** Minnesota!

doublem23
09-11-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by bc2k
For the second year in a row the Twins have stopped a Sox pitcher from getting his 20th win against them.

Yesterday Manuel said during the post game conference that he had never managed a 20 game winner so he's excited about Loaiza's start. Remember last year when Manuel single handidly stopped Buehrle from getting 20 wins? Buehrle threw 9 innings with about 100 pitches in a tie game, and despite heavy lobbying from Cooper, Nossek, and Buehrle himself, Manuel wouldn't let Buehrle pitch the 10th to go for the win. The Sox won the game in the tenth inning. No wonder you have never managed a 20 game winner, Manuel. You suck.

Please explain to me how Jerry cost Esteban win #20 today. Was he supposed to start someone else, let him get to the 5th, and then if the Sox were up, bring Esteban in and let him slam the door? He gave up what? 4 runs in the first 2 innings? I feel bad for Esteban that he didn't win 20 today, but blaming Manuel for his less than Esteban performance borders somewhere between insane and moronic.

:whoflungpoo

bc2k
09-11-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by doublem23
Please explain to me how Jerry cost Esteban win #20 today. Was he supposed to start someone else, let him get to the 5th, and then if the Sox were up, bring Esteban in and let him slam the door? He gave up what? 4 runs in the first 2 innings? I feel bad for Esteban that he didn't win 20 today, but blaming Manuel for his less than Esteban performance borders somewhere between insane and moronic.

:whoflungpoo

I didn't blame Manuel for Esteban not getting #20 today. I was commenting on Manuel's statement that he has never managed a 20 game winner, making the point that he had the chance to manage a 20 game winner - last season.

shane
09-11-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by LuvSox
Hey, look! A Sox fan thinking positive! WOW!

Well, I'm back, and things aren't so positive now. I thought for sure they would do better than that. I'm reading through the posts now for a recap. I really hope Wright gives a strong performance tomorrow. Wow, I thought for sure they would take this game against Radke. Tomorrow we bring an all-out assault of wood to Fenway, Sox 8/Other Sox 2

Lip Man 1
09-11-2003, 06:07 PM
Just some observations and comments....

1. This was mentioned in two Chicago papers this morning as a direct quote from Loaiza. He said that his "arm feels tired..." Given that he wasn't sharp either Saturday nor today perhaps he is spent... at exactly the wrong time.

2. Back when the Twins acquired Stewart for Kietly I recall some posters laughing saying the Twins made a bad deal. Note to those: Stewert is hitting like .340 since he came to Minnesota and personally beat us the past two games. Who's laughing now?

3. Voodoo....obviously predicting isn't your strong suit, wish it was!

4. I don't know if this is coincidence or not but since the Gandhi-Buehrle-Cotts controversy the Sox are 7-6 overall and 2-5 AGAINST TEAMS OVER .500 (Yanks, Boston and Minn.)

5. Remember it's Danny "I Can't Pitch" Wright tomorrow night in Boston with a team that has been in a little funk since the middle of the game on Tuesday. Boston has won 4 of 6 this season

6. Bill Melton on the post game show last night stated clearly that if the Sox weren't patient they'd have the same results against Radke that they did against Santana. The Sox weren't patient swinging early and trying for the fences. Bill Melton KNOWS baseball!

7. Did Dustin Mohr's comments about Sox hitters admiring their home runs get into their heads?

8. It's come down to the Sox "hoping" that Cleveland and Detroit can help them. Sorry I don't like those odds. The Sox have nobody to blame but themselves again, for disappearing in another crucial game (where have we seen that before the past three years?)

Finally...you can look it up but in the pre season in the WSI predicition thread I said 85 wins, 2nd place. Looks like I have a very good chance of being correct. (unfortunately...)

Lip

Viva Magglio
09-11-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Just some observations and comments....

1. This was mentioned in two Chicago papers this morning as a direct quote from Loaiza. He said that his "arm feels tired..." Given that he wasn't sharp either Saturday nor today perhaps he is spent... at exactly the wrong time.

2. Back when the Twins acquired Stewart for Kietly I recall some posters laughing saying the Twins made a bad deal. Note to those: Stewert is hitting like .340 since he came to Minnesota and personally beat us the past two games. Who's laughing now?

3. Voodoo....obviously predicting isn't your strong suit, wish it was!

4. I don't know if this is coincidence or not but since the Gandhi-Buehrle-Cotts controversy the Sox are 7-6 overall and 2-5 AGAINST TEAMS OVER .500 (Yanks, Boston and Minn.)

5. Remember it's Danny "I Can't Pitch" Wright tomorrow night in Boston with a team that has been in a little funk since the middle of the game on Tuesday. Boston has won 4 of 6 this season

6. Bill Melton on the post game show last night stated clearly that if the Sox weren't patient they'd have the same results against Radke that they did against Santana. The Sox weren't patient swinging early and trying for the fences. Bill Melton KNOWS baseball!

7. Did Dustin Mohr's comments about Sox hitters admiring their home runs get into their heads?

8. It's come down to the Sox "hoping" that Cleveland and Detroit can help them. Sorry I don't like those odds. The Sox have nobody to blame but themselves again, for disappearing in another crucial game (where have we seen that before the past three years?)

Finally...you can look it up but in the pre season in the WSI predicition thread I said 85 wins, 2nd place. Looks like I have a very good chance of being correct. (unfortunately...)

Lip

I generally agree with this analysis. Unless I missed it, I don't think Lip mentioned Tuesday night. I think Minnesota took the momentum of this series with Jerry Manuel's boneheaded decision to keep the recently departed Jose Paniagua in a batter or two too long. We almost blew that game, and we have not played well since.

Today on the postgame, Melton said that Minnesota is now in the driver's seat. Truer words have never been spoken. I have no confidence that we can win this division. If any of you Pollyannas think I am wrong, let me tell you that we Chicken Littles were right and you were wrong in 2001. We CL's were right and you were wrong in 2002. And I have a feeling that we CL's will be right and you will be wrong in 2003. Believe you me, I hope I am the one that is wrong when all is said and done, but I just don't have the confidence to belive good things will happen.

The way things are right now, I lack the confidence to believe we can take either the Fenway or Metrodome series. I think we'll remember this particular game as the one that broke our season. We handed this series, and perhaps the division too, to the Twins on a silver platter.

What saddens me even more is the prospect of a youth movement. I don't want to endure five years of losing with Sox management telling us we're "building for the future."

We must be the most persecuted fandom not in baseball but in all of sports.