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hsnterprize
09-09-2003, 06:45 AM
You know something...even as someone in the press, I get tired of the same old crap being rehashed over and over again in the name of filling time for a newscast. I know we're been beating this subject up like a dead horse, but evidently, there are some people in the press who believe in raising the dead.

I was watching the WGN 9 o'clock news last night, and wouldn't you know it, there was a story within the cast's first block of news about the Sox. Great...right? WRONG!!!!! The story wasn't necessarily about how the Sox are playing, or that they're in huge series against the Minnesota Twins. While those items were mentioned, the crux of the story repeated an all-too-familiar mantra...WHERE ARE ALL THE FANS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? It seems like, according to Julie Unruh's report (and this isn't a slam against her personally...I don't think she's the one who inspired the report, but if she is...then I'll do the honor of the first slam), that in spite of all the hoopla of the series and half-price night, that over 15,000 chairs were empty. The report said that while Cubs fans travelled to Milwaukee over the weekend to set attendance records at Miller Park, the Cell wasn't half full for the final game against Cleveland on Sunday, and there were "plenty of empty seats" (a line used by an anchor in the following morning's WGN cast...notice the WGN connection, here?) for the first game against Minnesota.

Look...I confess that I've been critical of Sox attendance at times. However, since I've been a frequenter of this site, as well as being a Sox fan myself, I can understand why fans aren't flocking to the Cell like Cubs fans do at Wrigley and other ballparks. Needless to say, the lack of Sox fans is a story for someone in this town, and it just gets so... :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: ...frustrating, I could set Wrigley Field on fire myself. However, I'll restrain myself and acknowledge that according to the box score, 32,807 were at the Cell last night, and that's a pretty good number.

Obviously, the park wasn't full. I watched the game on TV, and the crowd was great. I know I'm stating the obvious here, but as long as WGN (World's Gaudiest Narcisists) are part-owners of our baseball competion, we'll never get a break except if the scrubs are wiped off the face of the earth. And here's the funny part...they're the only channel that did a story about the Sox attendance (is that really a surprise?). Anyway, I just had to vent, and I'd appreciate some feedback.

hold2dibber
09-09-2003, 07:23 AM
The first words out of Howard Sudberry's sportscast on channel 2 last night were (and I'm paraphrasing): "Sadly, only 32,000 showed up at U.S. Cellular Field tonight . . ." ***? The Sox' attendance this year has been somewhat disappointing, but not surprising - I simply don't understand why that would be the focus at this point in time.

And here are a few things to keep in mind about the 32,000 in attendance last night. First, it was BY FAR the biggest crowd in any stadium in major league baseball last night. I know there weren't a ton of other games, but the second biggest crowd was 23,000 in Baltimore. The fact of the matter is, with Monday Night Football premiering and school back in session, it becomes harder to draw baseball fans, particularly on a weeknight. I surely wish that there were 40,000 at the Cell last night. But 32,000 is nothing to be embarrassed about.

Second, I was at a Monday night game against KC about 2 or 3 weeks ago when KC was still in first place. There were 45,000 people there. Now the Sox play Minnesota (tied for 1st with the Sox) and 32,000 are there. The difference? School is in session. The college kids and high schoolers that flock to Sox games in the summer months aren't available. That's just a fact of life for this team at this time.

hsnterprize
09-09-2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
The first words out of Howard Sudberry's sportscast on channel 2 last night were (and I'm paraphrasing): "Sadly, only 32,000 showed up at U.S. Cellular Field tonight . . ." ***? The Sox' attendance this year has been somewhat disappointing, but not surprising - I simply don't understand why that would be the focus at this point in time.

And here are a few things to keep in mind about the 32,000 in attendance last night. First, it was BY FAR the biggest crowd in any stadium in major league baseball last night. I know there weren't a ton of other games, but the second biggest crowd was 23,000 in Baltimore. The fact of the matter is, with Monday Night Football premiering and school back in session, it becomes harder to draw baseball fans, particularly on a weeknight. I surely wish that there were 40,000 at the Cell last night. But 32,000 is nothing to be embarrassed about.

Second, I was at a Monday night game against KC about 2 or 3 weeks ago when KC was still in first place. There were 45,000 people there. Now the Sox play Minnesota (tied for 1st with the Sox) and 32,000 are there. The difference? School is in session. The college kids and high schoolers that flock to Sox games in the summer months aren't available. That's just a fact of life for this team at this time. Someone in another thread quote where Kenny Williams pretty much said the Sox can't worry about why the Cubs get more press, or why it seems like everything is so negative when it comes to the Sox. I like what Kenny said...he said the only thing they can do is to "bring a championship home", and maybe that will change the minds of the Sox skeptics and bring fans back to the south side. KW definitely knows how fans feel. Now, let's bring a title to the south side and show these Cubbie idiots who's the best team in town!!!!!

PaleHoseGeorge
09-09-2003, 08:11 AM
The only thing "sad" about the media turning this into a story is the DEAFENING SILENCE that follows their rhetorical question, "Where are all the fans?"

You know the answer. There aren't that many of us Sox Fans left. We can't fill our ballpark on a day-in-day-out basis unless we get help from casual fans or Flubbie fans.

22 years after Reinsdorf started sticking his foot in his mouth,
22 years after the Cubune bought the Flubbies and started packaging them like Bozo's Circus,
15 years after the Cubune shoved night games down the throats of Wrigleyville and City Hall,

this-- THIS-- is what we Sox Fans are left with. It's embarrassing, but there isn't one of us who is at fault. We're hopelessly outnumbered, and if the media would do their homework there wouldn't be this ridiculous notion floating around Chicago that "Sox Fans just don't care." I thought their job was to inform their audience, not misinform them.

What a joke...

LuvSox
09-09-2003, 08:28 AM
Last night after I got tickets I saw Julie interviewing somebody (couldn't tell who it was from behind) at the entrance to the suites. Standing about 20 feet away, I gave her the obligatory "Cubs Suck!" Right away she starts laughing while trying to do the interview. I missed the news, obviously, so I didn't find out who she was talking to or if they had to start the interview over again.

GoSox2K3
09-09-2003, 08:30 AM
The Sox had the biggest attendance of any baseball game played yesterday. Three other first place teams (A's, Braves, Yankees) playing at home had worse attendance.

Sure, attendance is a little low, but I think the whole issue is being blown out of proportion by the Cub fans in the local media who just don't like the Sox. The Cubs were off so they HAD to report on the Sox BIG WIN against the Twins as their top story - which I'm sure they hated doing. So, why not bring out the old stand-by of attendance bashing to put the Sox in the poorest light possible.

Until the Sox re-build their fan base and season ticket base, these attendance numbers are the best we can expect.

shane
09-09-2003, 08:35 AM
The report said that while Cubs fans travelled to Milwaukee over the weekend to set attendance records at Miller Park, the Cell wasn't half full for the final game against Cleveland on Sunday, and there were "plenty of empty seats" (a line used by an anchor in the following morning's WGN cast...notice the WGN connection, here?) for the first game against Minnesota.

Well, there's the answer. If they need someone to blame, blame the Cleveland and Twinkie fans, for not supporting their team and traveling to Chicago to set new attendance records at the Cell.

mike squires
09-09-2003, 08:51 AM
This attendence thing is nothing new. Old Comiskey was quite the same. Even when the Sox had their awesome season in 83' (they broke the 2 million mark) but there were still days where only 30-32 fans showed up.

When the Sox made the playoffs in 2000 games 1 and 2 sold out in 80 minutes. That's gotta tell you something.

Miller park is selling well because it's new. Comiskey drew well up until around 95. The newness kind of wore off, compared to the new modern parks Comiskey was plain, and the team wasn't playing well.

I'm tired of constantly hearing about attendence. Comiskey is about the only place I know of that when tere are 16 to 20,000 fans the place still sounds like there are some fannys in some seats.

Wrigley can keep selling out for all I care. At least you are not sitting in someones lap during the game, parking sucks, you pee in a horse trough and it's like a herd of cattle moving at a snails pace after the game.

Jerko
09-09-2003, 09:02 AM
The sad thing was, DURING the telecast of the game, they showed a sign: "We are Cub fans. We want Chicago to win, so we are here cheering for the Sox. Where are all you Sox fans?" I didn't realize attendance counted in the standings. Methinks the team in the empty stadium has a better home recored than the warm and fuzzies so they can stick that sign up their collective asses sideways for all I'm concerned. Even at a fantasy football draft I was in I had to listen to this drivel! The draft was in Joliet, I live near the Cell, and the first thing one of the nitwits in the draft said after baseball talk broke out was "at least we have a full park". GOD in heaven I hate that. I hope he was on the team that I just hung the most points of the week on. Then I could say, "well, your team probably had more attendance but I still kicked your ass" Pud.

cheeses_h_rice
09-09-2003, 09:03 AM
:brokenrecord

bobj4400
09-09-2003, 09:05 AM
Good Ladewski column on this subject:

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x09-lad1.htm

thepaulbowski
09-09-2003, 09:19 AM
Mike & Mike (on ESPN radio) put a different spin on the attendance, a GOOD spin. They talked about what a great size crowd it was considering that MLB attendance drops off significantly after school starts. They actually spent some time talking about the White Sox and how good of team they have and that they are by far the best team in the division.

xil357
09-09-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by bobj4400
Good Ladewski column on this subject:

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x09-lad1.htm

Finally, someone in the mainstream media is talking about the need for a Metra stop. I am glad to hear the Sox are pushing for it, as well.

Also, NPR (or National Socialist Radio as you neoconservatives like to call it) had a great story on Chicago baseball pennant fever on "All Things Considered" yesterday. Truly fair and balanced. I'll bet it is available at NPR.org. There was no apparent pro-Cubs bias from the reporter. An equal number of Sox fans and Cubs fans were interviewed. How refreshing! Imagine, you get a fair and balanced story from a news organization that is not owned by a for-profit corporation!

jortafan
09-09-2003, 09:23 AM
What cracked me up about WGN's Monday night newscast was that they couldn't make up their mind about the Cell Field crowd.

Julie Unruh's story emphasized the "15,000 empty seats" without ever telling people how many people were in the park.

But during the sports segment, fill-in anchor Dave Eanet described the Sox win over the Twins, and specifically mentioned the "tremendous crowd of 32,000 people."

Hangar18
09-09-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by shane
Well, there's the answer. If they need someone to blame, blame the Cleveland and Twinkie fans, for not supporting their team and traveling to Chicago to set new attendance records at the Cell.


EXCELLENT !!! Why isnt this being reported by ESPN ? the MEDIA? WGN ???

mike squires
09-09-2003, 09:30 AM
After reading that article in the Southtown, i find it crazy that after reading the article there are three numbers to call for Cub tickets including rooftop seats.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-09-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
:brokenrecord

This exactly sums up my feelings on the subject.

Same false accusations. Same tired excuses. I'm glad we've all become so enlightened on the subject these past ten years for all the insightful discourse.

jabrch
09-09-2003, 09:42 AM
I'll be happy with that. That means the lowers are sold out, and the first 10 rows of the uppers are sold. (more or less). That's how this park should be. At this point in time, I don't give a darn what the Tribune and its associated media outlets say. I don't care about Ch.2, 5 or 7 for that matter. Really, as long as ESPN reports that we win, and that nobody wants to face us in the playoffs, I could hardly care less what they say either.

I am focused 100% on this club and on watching the games. I don't need media coverage to tell me how this team is doing. When I am in Grant Park, mark my words, I won't be thinking about the 15,000 empty seats.

kempsted
09-09-2003, 09:58 AM
It's funny, when I was at the ticket office yesterday at noon the entire bottom was sold out. I think anything above 30 K is a good crowd. It means a sell out in the LD and people in the UD - I wouldn't wish those upper deck corner seats on anyone. :smile:

kempsted
09-09-2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Jerko
The sad thing was, DURING the telecast of the game, they showed a sign: "We are Cub fans. We want Chicago to win, so we are here cheering for the Sox. Where are all you Sox fans?" I didn't realize attendance counted in the standings. Methinks the team in the empty stadium has a better home recored than the warm and fuzzies so they can stick that sign up their collective asses sideways for all I'm concerned. Even at a fantasy football draft I was in I had to listen to this drivel! The draft was in Joliet, I live near the Cell, and the first thing one of the nitwits in the draft said after baseball talk broke out was "at least we have a full park". GOD in heaven I hate that. I hope he was on the team that I just hung the most points of the week on. Then I could say, "well, your team probably had more attendance but I still kicked your ass" Pud.
Yeah the thing that pissed me off as well is they were sitting in the completly full sold out LD - Stupid Cubs fans.

white sox bill
09-09-2003, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Jerko
The sad thing was, DURING the telecast of the game, they showed a sign: "We are Cub fans. We want Chicago to win, so we are here cheering for the Sox. Where are all you Sox fans?" I didn't realize attendance counted in the standings. Methinks the team in the empty stadium has a better home recored than the warm and fuzzies so they can stick that sign up their collective asses sideways for all I'm concerned. Even at a fantasy football draft I was in I had to listen to this drivel! The draft was in Joliet, I live near the Cell, and the first thing one of the nitwits in the draft said after baseball talk broke out was "at least we have a full park". GOD in heaven I hate that. I hope he was on the team that I just hung the most points of the week on. Then I could say, "well, your team probably had more attendance but I still kicked your ass" Pud.

Flub fans fail to realize that 40% of those in atendance are out of town tourists and another 40% are so drunk, they think their at Soldier Field and waiting for Kevin Butler to kick the PAT. That only leaves about 20% true fans.
Bill

34 Inch Stick
09-09-2003, 10:04 AM
Following that up, I purchased tickets to the Friday KC game yesterday. There were no lower deck or upper deck boxes remaining . I purchased upper deck reserved and I am still fairly far down the third base line. The agent said the same was true for the Saturday night game. Since the Yankees get 30,000 even in down years, I think attendence will be good for the rest of the season (except the Thursday afternoon game v. Minny).

chosk8
09-09-2003, 10:23 AM
not a bad jab...

Dadawg_77
09-09-2003, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by chosk8
not a bad jab...

At who?
At first I thought you were poking fun at the Sox half price nights.

chosk8
09-09-2003, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
At who?
At first I thought you were poking fun at the Sox half price nights.

No, no. Never poke fun at the Sox. I just thought it was nice to finally see someone take a jab at the cubs. You don't see that much.

TDog
09-09-2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
... Since the Yankees get 30,000 even in down years


With the Yankees playing on Monday and Tuesday nights, I think people will be able to get into the ballpark for $7. You won't be watching the Yankees from a dugout at Wrigley, but you could take 200 friends for less than you would have paid to watch the Yankees behind a dugout at Wrigley.

The real news is that the Yankees game will probably be critical for both teams. But reporting about attendance is so much easier, as it involves the same questions and answers over and over again.

soxtalker
09-09-2003, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by bobj4400
Good Ladewski column on this subject:

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/ladewski/x09-lad1.htm

What a terrific article on the subject! It is seldom that I hear the traffic congestion raised as a major factor, but it rings so true. I come into the ball games from the near NW suburbs. 10-15 years ago, I would have driven. Now, it is the rare exception. I almost always drive to a stop on the blue line and take the subway to the park. It is both the amount and predictability of the timing. Somewhat more casual fans would simply not even both; they'll watch it on TV.

I'm not sure how much of the Cubs attendance is due to vacationers. But even without that, they've got a pretty large and fairly affluent population of city residences nearby. A trip to Wrigley is just as much a pain, if not more so, if you have to drive in from the suburbs.