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RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 05:35 PM
2B- Alomar
LF- Lee
DH- Thomas
RF- Ordonez
CF- Everett
1B- Konerko
SS- Valentin
3B- Crede
C- Alomar Jr.

balboner
09-03-2003, 06:21 PM
Buehrle gives up two straight hits on 0-2 counts. Nothing unusual there. This team is so flat, as is our crowd. Where is everyone?

FJA
09-03-2003, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by balboner
Buehrle gives up two straight hits on 0-2 counts. Nothing unusual there. This team is so flat, as is our crowd. Where is everyone?

I had a bad feeling this was going to happen with the crowd. Don't be surprised if it seems a little larger at 7:05.

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 06:35 PM
OK, I love manos as much as anybody, but the guy needs to sit the next one out. He's brutal at the plate lately.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
OK, I love manos as much as anybody, but the guy needs to sit the next one out. He's brutal at the plate lately.

Worth repeating after that last AB.

SoxFanDan
09-03-2003, 07:04 PM
at this point why not play tony graff. its not like jose is a great fielder. He is an automatic out, we should bat Crede after PK

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 07:08 PM
This game is looking relatively similar to last night, i hope it doesn't have the same ending.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:14 PM
Super Alomar Bros. return with big bunting action!

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:15 PM
... And I HATE, HATE, HATE it when Carlos pops up with RISP. YOU DON'T NEED A HOME RUN, CARLOS!

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:16 PM
1-0 Texas, Bottom 1

delben91
09-03-2003, 07:18 PM
The only hole in Magglio's game, those damn double play balls.

Rocklive99
09-03-2003, 07:18 PM
I felt that coming, and it felt even better when it happened :smile:

And then CLee quiets the crowd. I wont be too hard on him because hes worked his butt off this year, but you gotta turn it on right now

GIDP :(: Hope Maggs isnt hurting

dougs78
09-03-2003, 07:18 PM
No kidding. Valentin has been simply awful for quite some time now. We need to get him out of the lineup in a hurry. Graffy always seems to be able to do fine. Also, won't an automatic option be picked up for Jose if he gets a certain # of AB's? If so, thats just one more reason to let him ride the pine.


and on another note. How in god's name can we have men on 2nd and 3rd with no outs and not even manage to score one??? That is truly a remarkable accomplishment.

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 07:18 PM
DAMMIT, I can't believe that f***ing happened. There is no way that any other team is as bad as we are in these situations. It's UNBELIEVABLE. :angry: :angry:

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Rocklive99
I felt that coming, and it felt even better when it happened :smile:

And then CLee quiets the crowd. I wont be too hard on him because hes worked his butt off this year, but you gotta turn it on right now

GIDP :(: Hope Maggs isnt hurting

I just hope Buehrle keeps it up ... when Carlos can't hit in key situations, we often have trouble scoring runs.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
DAMMIT, I can't believe that f***ing happened. There is no way that any other team is as bad as we are in these situations. It's UNBELIEVABLE. :angry: :angry:

I can. I was sure when Carlos came up that it would happen.

SoxFanDan
09-03-2003, 07:25 PM
same situation as sox had in 5th, lets see if the red sox can show the white sox how to score runs from second with less than 2 outs

dougs78
09-03-2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
same situation as sox had in 5th, lets see if the red sox can show the white sox how to score runs from second with less than 2 outs


Thankfully that answer is....NOPE.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by SoxFanDan
same situation as sox had in 5th, lets see if the red sox can show the white sox how to score runs from second with less than 2 outs

Nope. That was huge.

SoxFanDan
09-03-2003, 07:28 PM
no they cant alright burley mon

SoxFanDan
09-03-2003, 07:30 PM
let me spell it out for you fans

I-N-S-U-R-A-N-C-E

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 07:31 PM
I think you're seeing two teams with collective tight sphincters, offense-wise.

Maggs and CLee's first-pitch-swing garbage is inexcusable, too. We should be up 3-1 or 4-1 by now.

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 07:31 PM
Why isn't Brian Daubach playing?

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:32 PM
Jose must be reading WSI message boards in between innings. Thanks for not sucking this time, Jose!

RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 07:37 PM
Damn it!

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:38 PM
I had a bad feeling that was about to happen ...

Damn. I really hope we're not going to waste two solid pitching performances.

kittle42
09-03-2003, 07:42 PM
Does anyone give up more 0-2 or 1-2 hits than Buehrle? Oh yeah - Jon Garland.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:43 PM
We need a double play in a big way.

flo-B-flo
09-03-2003, 07:47 PM
Former little bear, gets to 3-2, thanKKK you much. 2 down

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 07:49 PM
Any guesses as to what is going to happen here:

A. Nomar K's
B. Singles
C. Doubles
D. Triples
E. HR's
F. BB
G. None of the above

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:51 PM
C'mon Sully ... hold 'em down.

That foul pop that Konerko couldn't get to better not come back to haunt us ...

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 07:51 PM
Damn, somebody catch that ball.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:52 PM
He gawn!

flo-B-flo
09-03-2003, 07:52 PM
Sullivan in, vs Nomar. 1-2 now please no 1-2 hit. KKKKKKKKKK he gone!!!!!!!

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:53 PM
Somebody--anybody--please get a hit and pick up this great pitching before the pitching staff stages an uprising.

flo-B-flo
09-03-2003, 07:55 PM
look at some pitches

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 07:58 PM
Thatta boy Roberto. Cmon Lee.

FJA
09-03-2003, 07:58 PM
CLee--No pop ups or double plays!

flo-B-flo
09-03-2003, 08:00 PM
Spanish for: double down the line! 2nd + 3rd 1 out!

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:00 PM
There ya go, Carlos!

MAKE THEM PAY THIS TIME, MAGGS!

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:01 PM
KC leads 3-1.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:02 PM
Whoa ... the baseball gods were smiling on us there. Please, Maggs, don't swing at the first pitch if you're in this situation again.

ChiSoxFann
09-03-2003, 08:02 PM
NOHMA!!! no play sox up 3-2 yesssssssssss

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:02 PM
What happened on Maggs hit? I'm on mlb.com gameday

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
What happened on Maggs hit? I'm on mlb.com gameday

He hit it to a diving Nomar, and the ball jumped off his glove just out of the infield.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by FJA
He hit it to a diving Nomar, and the ball jumped off his glove just out of the infield.

All right nomaaaaaaaaaaaa!

adsit
09-03-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
All right nomaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Yeah, but he kept the ball from getting by him, which kept it to a 1-run scoring play.

I'd reeeeeallly like some insurance out of this bases loaded situation.

Gumshoe
09-03-2003, 08:08 PM
Gangsta, good stuff.... I am writing to hope to bring good luck to Pauly ... let's go

!!!!!

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by adsit
I'd reeeeeallly like some insurance out of this bases loaded situation.

We don't do that here unless it's a grand slam.....

Gumshoe
09-03-2003, 08:09 PM
Pauly, Carl, you are breaking my heart!

hold it down, bullpen ...

Gumshoe

dougs78
09-03-2003, 08:09 PM
Seriously. Does anyone have an explanation or even a guess as to why we are stranding so many runners lately?

Is it just an inevitable up and down streak, or is there something more behind it?

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Gumshoe
Gangsta, good stuff.... I am writing to hope to bring good luck to Pauly ... let's go !!!!!

Ice, no dice.....

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 08:10 PM
Come on bullpen, we need these 6 outs and this split very badly!

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:12 PM
If Hollywood Harris comes up in a clutch situation in the 9th I'm going to fly back to Chicago and personally take out Manual's kneecaps!!!

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by dougs78
Seriously. Does anyone have an explanation or even a guess as to why we are stranding so many runners lately?

Is it just an inevitable up and down streak, or is there something more behind it?

We are SOOOOOO streaky with that. It seems like we are good at getting a ton of runs, or none at all in those situations. Or, more likely, we tend to scrutinize it more because we are Sox fans....

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 08:14 PM
Game over. Why not bring in marte to face ortiz?

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 08:15 PM
lack of clutch hitting always comes back to get you when you need those few extra runs....

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Game over. Why not bring in marte to face ortiz?

Exactly my question!!!!!

WHAT THE HELL IS GHANDI DOING WITH SULLIVAN AGAINST ORTIZ??????????????

HOLY CRAP I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 08:15 PM
:angry: :angry: :angry:
F**K!

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:16 PM
Oh, boy. I'll be surprised if that doesn't inspire some corpseball these next two innings. Man does that kill.

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 08:16 PM
Game is over, barring something the Sox are unfamiliar with, "Clutch Hitting."

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Game over. Why not bring in marte to face ortiz?

Because that's what a manager who knows what he's doing would do...

ode to veeck
09-03-2003, 08:16 PM
Gee that sucked, both the not getting the runners in and the gopher from Sullie ... and get him outta there, yeah let's argue with the ump now

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:17 PM
GET HIM OUT OF THERE!!!!

balboner
09-03-2003, 08:17 PM
I f'n hate Jerry Manuel. Marte should have been in to face Ortiz there. Also, Manny and Millar should have been called out on strikes.

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 08:17 PM
Here comes marte...too late though, this game is done unless the sox show something you almost never see from this team....heart.

delben91
09-03-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by oheeoh...magglio
Here comes marte...too late though, this game is done unless the sox show something you almost never see from this team....heart.

Yeah, you're right, coming from 8 games down at the all-star break and having the second most wins in the second half....definitely no heart there. Good thing Detroit's around, or the Sox would be at the bottom of the division.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:19 PM
Little bit late for ****ing Marte now!

YOU SUCK MANUEL. WAY TO EMBARRASS THE TEAM IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE NATION TONIGHT, ASS!

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by oheeoh...magglio
Here comes marte...too late though, this game is done unless the sox show something you almost never see from this team....heart.

Why all the haters? Teams without heart would not be in 1st place right now after trailing by 8 at the ASB. Get your rally cap on and your undies out of that bunch......

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:21 PM
Manuel's stupidity doesn't excuse the Sox not getting the hit with the bases loaded in the 5th and 7th. Hey Maggs, you normally get more than 1 pitch.

ode to veeck
09-03-2003, 08:22 PM
great pick off

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by ode to veeck
great pick off
Simply HUGE!!!!

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:24 PM
Jesus, I can't believe this crap. Right after Ramirez walked, I was thinking, "Here comes the homer to give Boston the lead."

Then on the second pitch......GONE!

What in the HELL was Manuel thinking? Oh God.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
Manuel's stupidity doesn't excuse the Sox not getting the hit with the bases loaded in the 5th and 7th. Hey Maggs, you normally get more than 1 pitch.

It most certainly doesn't. But not bringing in a good lefty (who had been warming up for a while) against a powerful lefty hitter really was not smart. If he wasn't planning to use Marte for Ortiz, I don't know why he had him warming up so early. This was yet another "got caught sleeping" move by Manuel.

kittle42
09-03-2003, 08:25 PM
I hate Jerry Manuel as much as the next man, but where was anyone to say we should have had Marte in *before* Ortiz hit the homer?

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
Why all the haters? Teams without heart would not be in 1st place right now after trailing by 8 at the ASB. Get your rally cap on and your undies out of that bunch......

The Sox are playing like a team afraid of losing, and it shows. We've left way too many freaking guys on base tonight, so it shouldn't have even come to this.

Sox should be up 7-4 or so.

Hey, if they come back, my hat's off to 'em. I just don't think it's going to happen.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
I hate Jerry Manuel as much as the next man, but where was anyone to say we should have had Marte in *before* Ortiz hit the homer?

This is why everyone is pissed, man!

kittle42
09-03-2003, 08:28 PM
It just hasn't been a very good sports day for Intelligent Chicago Baseball fans.

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 08:28 PM
Oh, and also: the Sox are no longer chasing the Royals, so much as the Twins, the "team with heart" that's been as hot if not hotter than the Sox lately.

Perhaps you heard of their miraculous win this afternoon? You know, the one that could bring them into a tie with the Sox if the Chicago Tight Sphincters can't get at least one more run before they get 6 outs?

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
The Sox are playing like a team afraid of losing, and it shows. We've left way too many freaking guys on base tonight, so it shouldn't have even come to this.

Sox should be up 7-4 or so.

Hey, if they come back, my hat's off to 'em. I just don't think it's going to happen.

How do we end up with these wimpy conservative coaches? Dick Jauron, John Shoop, and now Manuel. Afraid to just put them out of their misery.

Gutless move, Manuel...you fool.

MarqSox
09-03-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
The Sox are playing like a team afraid of losing, and it shows. We've left way too many freaking guys on base tonight, so it shouldn't have even come to this.

Sox should be up 7-4 or so.

Hey, if they come back, my hat's off to 'em. I just don't think it's going to happen.
This has been a disturbing trend all season ... I haven't seen numbers on this, but I gotta think our batting average with runners in scoring position has to be among the league's worst. Not a good thing.

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 08:29 PM
Timlin in.

kittle42
09-03-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice

Perhaps you heard of their miraculous win this afternoon? You know, the one that could bring them into a tie with the Sox if the Chicago Tight Sphincters can't get at least one more run before they get 6 outs?

Oh, and I hope Bengie Molina - now out for the year - learns to tag a runner with two hands next time.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:31 PM
Oh thank the Lord for Manos!

delben91
09-03-2003, 08:31 PM
Yep, no heart.

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 08:31 PM
OK, now Jose's showing some 'nads.

Nice.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:32 PM
:mkillcub

dougs78
09-03-2003, 08:32 PM
See, just like we were saying earlier... Jose should be in the lineup everyday!

:) :gulp:

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:32 PM
Alright, Jose!

Let's get a couple more now.

:manos

"Everyone at WSI said I was an automatic out. I showed them!"

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:32 PM
Yep.
No heart.
That's what I though.

Manos, baby....

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by dougs78
See, just like we were saying earlier... Jose should be in the lineup everyday!

:) :gulp:

LMAO.

After his second AB, in chat I said, "Aw, c'mon, bring in Graffy..."

Oops.

:)

But still, we ain't playing this game to tie. We need 1 more clutch run here.

WhiteSox = Life
09-03-2003, 08:34 PM
Way to go, Josť!

Now, let's get the lead and have Flash pick up the save.

Go, Sox!

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:34 PM
Because once one guy hits a home run everyone wants to get into the act, there's the obligatory pop up following a home run.

ode to veeck
09-03-2003, 08:34 PM
where's all the Manos naysayers now? or the team without heart--way toi go Manos!

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
OK, I love manos as much as anybody, but the guy needs to sit the next one out. He's brutal at the plate lately. And... I'm an idiot.
:manos
"Yes you are."

kittle42
09-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Manos - Hands of Fate

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Wow ... Saurback has been brutal since joining the BoSox.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:36 PM
I always support bringing in a .230 hitter for at .270 hitter who has a history of being clutch....

I officially do not support this move and reserve the right to b*tch about it when it fails.

dougs78
09-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I was down on Jose playing everyday with his current numbers. Sure his homerun was awesome, but still I think graffy should get some more starts at SS.

faneidde
09-03-2003, 08:41 PM
2 bad calls at home plate the last two innings. Ramirez walked on a pitch clearly over the plate and Tony G. got called out on a pitch down and away. In honor of Animal House coming out recently on DVD

cough*job* cough*job*

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 08:41 PM
By the way, that 1-2 pitch to tony was indeed a ball. F^ck the ump.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
I always support bringing in a .230 hitter for at .270 hitter who has a history of being clutch....

I officially do not support this move and reserve the right to b*tch about it when it fails.


Dagnabit Manual!!!!!!

:jerry
"But I have so many people on the bench now. How else will I get them into the game."

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
By the way, that 1-2 pitch to tony was indeed a ball. F^ck the ump.

That was an awful call. Is there something in the water the Chicago umps are drinking? There have been horrible calls on both sides of town these past few days.

faneidde
09-03-2003, 08:44 PM
:tomatoaward

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:45 PM
Is Marte head-hunting? On Gameday that looked like it was at Meuller's head.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:47 PM
Don't know how much I like taking Damaso out here. I know it's a lefty-righty matchup, but is Nomar particularly weak against either? I doubt it. Has Damaso done poorly against Nomar in the past? I doubt it. I'd take my chances with Marte here. I don't want the bullpen to get down to Jon Adkins if we go to extras.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
Is Marte head-hunting? On Gameday that looked like it was at Meuller's head.

Missed him by an inch.

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 08:49 PM
Regardless of matchups, i don't like this pitching change.

Its still a tie game here. You've got no one on base. Maybe you should consider saving your other co-closer a little longer in case this game goes on for a couple more innings.

Furthermore, there is an off-day tomorrow, so it won't kill us if Damso pitches a little longer.

And hasn't Damaso proven he can be effective against righties?

Hmmm. I understand its iffy, but I just wanted to state my opinion now so I don't look wishy washy bitching later on if this doesn't work out.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 08:50 PM
And no one in the pen pitched yesterday.

faneidde
09-03-2003, 08:50 PM
Hawk and DJ are on the ump now, and they rarely do that. This guy is a clown.

1-2-3. WTG Damaso and Gordon.

Lee, Thomas, Ordonez up. End it now boys.

delben91
09-03-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Don't know how much I like taking Damaso out here. I know it's a lefty-righty matchup, but is Nomar particularly weak against either? I doubt it. Has Damaso done poorly against Nomar in the past? I doubt it. I'd take my chances with Marte here. I don't want the bullpen to get down to Jon Adkins if we go to extras.

I recall the ESPN announcers saying earlier that Nomar is hitting something between .380 and .390 against lefties. So maybe bringing Gordon in was warranted.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:53 PM
I really hope they bring in Kim. He served up a serious meatball to Pauly last night.....

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 08:54 PM
Carlos ends it right here, right now.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by delben91
I recall the ESPN announcers saying earlier that Nomar is hitting something between .380 and .390 against lefties. So maybe bringing Gordon in was warranted.

Yep. I stand corrected.

.383 to be exact.

In that case, good move bringing in Gordon. :smile:

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 08:55 PM
Kim is in! Let's hope he gets a fastball up to one of our hitters.

dougs78
09-03-2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
I really hope they bring in Kim. He served up a serious meatball to Pauly last night.....

Lets hope we end this thing before pauly even gets into the on deck circle...

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by dougs78
Lets hope we end this thing before pauly even gets into the on deck circle...

Or Harris for that matter....

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 08:57 PM
Don't pinch run Frank.

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
Don't pinch run Frank.
I don't like that.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
I don't like that.

Neither do I. Who is going to PH for Willie Harris if we get to him after this?

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Yep. I stand corrected.

.383 to be exact.

In that case, good move bringing in Gordon. :smile:

Yup. I concur. That is a pretty definitive stat.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 08:59 PM
Who's going to hit for Hollywood, now? Rios???? Miles????

Crap.

delben91
09-03-2003, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
I don't like that.

That makes two of us.

Better end it this inning, because I'd much rather have Frank up than Rowand in a key situation.

FJA
09-03-2003, 08:59 PM
Hawk said the four words I was dreading coming into this inning:

Willie Harris on deck.

Rocklive99
09-03-2003, 09:00 PM
I would like it if he would send Aaron to try and stay out of the DP

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 09:00 PM
Frank is out of the game? Not sure about that... Well JM hope it works for you and you prove us wrong because this board is nervous!

dougs78
09-03-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Neither do I. Who is going to PH for Willie Harris if we get to him after this?

rios...

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
I don't like that. I really don't like it now. Who is the third base coach?

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by wirtzbeer55
Frank is out of the game? Not sure about that... Well JM hope it works for you and you prove us wrong because this board is nervous!

Crap. Quite possibly the worst thing that could have come from that substitution just came from that substitution.

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 09:02 PM
Thats an awfully big risk to take with 1 out. Man. We got Wendell Kym coachin third?

dougs78
09-03-2003, 09:02 PM
crap. I do like the aggressiveness though. If Kimm thought he had it, then I'm fine with it.

but damn that sucks...Come on harris.... how about one big hit.

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 09:02 PM
FIRE KIMM

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:03 PM
Make a fool out of me Willy.....

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by dougs78
crap. I do like the aggressiveness though. If Kimm thought he had it, then I'm fine with it.

but damn that sucks...Come on harris.... how about one big hit.


You don't send him there, with only 1 out. A sac fly still wins it if you don't send him.

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by wirtzbeer55
Frank is out of the game? Not sure about that... Well JM hope it works for you and you prove us wrong because this board is nervous!
Didn't Jerry get tossed?

dougs78
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by FoulTerritory
You don't send him there, with only 1 out. A sac fly still wins it if you don't send him.


Have you seen how we've done with runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs today???

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
Everett, Thomas, Graffanino, Daubach.

These are the guys that can't be used in extra innings. I don't like the sudden holes in the lineup and off the bench, but hey ... maybe they can prove me wrong.

shane
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
How about some baserunning lessons for Rowand? He looked like a freaking retard trying to dive into Varitek. I'm thinking a slide may have been better in that situation. Ball was caught up high, so not much sense in staying high with the dive and landing 5 feet past home.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
I'm afraid Kimm sending him there was a fatal mistake. Even though I admit I was thinking send him too, with lazy Manny in left. But Garciaparra has a cannon there at short. The ball was hit so hard it just wasn't possible for Aaron to score.

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
:whiner:

Was it at least close with Rowand? Now we are in trouble...

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:05 PM
I don't want to know what the field looks like right now...

Rocklive99
09-03-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by FoulTerritory
You don't send him there, with only 1 out. A sac fly still wins it if you don't send him.

Willie can't hit the ball out of the infield against major league pitching

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by FoulTerritory
You don't send him there, with only 1 out. A sac fly still wins it if you don't send him. The way we've been hitting with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Yeah, I'd send him too.

MarqSox
09-03-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Rocklive99
Willie can't hit the ball out of the infield against major league pitching
they DO have pinch hitters ...

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
The way we've been hitting with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Yeah, I'd send him too.

I agree. Kimm made the right decision. It just turned out terribly wrong.

faneidde
09-03-2003, 09:07 PM
I thought Rowand was fast. I think Willie would have scored on that.

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 09:07 PM
Nomar had the ball before Rowand got off 3rd base. It is another terrible call at third.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
I don't want to know what the field looks like right now...

Why? Sox fans don't trash the field like Flub fans do.

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by dougs78
Have you seen how we've done with runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs today???


I do see your point. I guess I just don't like making a desperate decision to try to cover up for not being able to do the little things. Its sort of a two wrongs don't make a right situation.

I think you make the proper strategical decision in all possible situations, and if your team can't execute then so be it.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:08 PM
Bernie Mac is in attendance behind home plate.

dougs78
09-03-2003, 09:08 PM
My god. We have 13 hits and 4 walks! Part of me is pretty pleased with the offense, but for the love of pete, can we turn those into some runs???

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Bucktown
Nomar had the ball before Rowand got off 3rd base. It is another terrible call at third.

Nomar had the ball, and Aaron was more like 1/3 of the way there. He has a cannon, and it made it look like he was only on 3rd.

Bucktown
09-03-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by faneidde
I thought Rowand was fast. I think Willie would have scored on that.
Ben Johnoson at his juiced up best would not have scored on that.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:09 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:09 PM
fire this idiot

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:09 PM
I told you all. Bruce Kimm sending Aaron was the fatal mistake.

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:09 PM
Wow... i hear the air coming out of our balloon real fast...

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:09 PM
Damn ... this is the kind of game that gets us into a long-term funk.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
fire this idiot

Please clarify which idiot.

SoxxoS
09-03-2003, 09:10 PM
We had our chance this game...

Also, is anyone else kind of nervous IF we make the playoffs with Tom Gordon as our closer?

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
Why? Sox fans don't trash the field like Flub fans do.


I meant who would be in the field after all the substitutions and pinch hitting, but I guess not much has changed.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:11 PM
:gascan

Gascan Gordon comes through again.

He's only worth 1 inning.

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 09:11 PM
Sox Killer.

David Ortiz's OPS vs. Sox was .971 coming into tonight. Higher now, I think.

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:11 PM
I think Kimm is horrible and that was terrible send... a passed ball can score a run etc etc

5-4 Dead Sox

JRIG
09-03-2003, 09:11 PM
I guess those sort of things happen when you don't replace all your best hitters at the end of a game.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I told you all. Bruce Kimm sending Aaron was the fatal mistake.

Yeah, but with the way we've been hitting, Aaron might not have scored anyway. We took a chance with Manny, who doesn't have a great arm, and he hit his cutoff man, who does have a great arm. There was so much lack of key hitting in this game, you cannot point to one thing and say "THAT" lost us the game.

SoxxoS
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
How many games have we lost over the past two years by leaving the FREAKIN closer in for an extra inning? I would love to have that stat.

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
Look in the mirror Jerry...

look in the mirror...

to quote the Flubby fans "now lets get some runs"

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
I think Kimm is horrible and that was terrible send... a passed ball can score a run etc etc

5-4 Dead Sox

The question is, do you think Rowand would have been sent if Everett was on deck instead of Wee Willie??

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
This is just meltdown. Horrible day with Flubs coming back. Twins coming back, and now this crap.

And when are we going to learn not to pitch to Ortiz?

This guy embarrassed us in the Twins uniform, and he's killed us twice in this game.

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
I predict Frank will hit a homer!!!!

:)

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:13 PM
It would have been nice to have Harris in there running instead of aaron. All year I have wondered why Harris is first OF replacement. Tonight it has cost dearly-you almost had to send Aaron with Harris coming up

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
I predict Frank will hit a homer!!!!

:) Too bad he's not in the game anymore.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
I predict Frank will hit a homer!!!!

:)

Frank ain't in the lineup anymore. Get in the game dude.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
It would have been nice to have Harris in there running instead of aaron. All year I have wondered why Harris is first OF replacement. Tonight it has cost dearly-you almost had to send Aaron with Harris coming up

Very good point. I didn't even think of the disadvantage putting Willie and not Rowand in for Everett.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
How many games have we lost over the past two years by leaving the FREAKIN closer in for an extra inning? I would love to have that stat.

Gordon only pitched to 1 batter in the 9th, dude.

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Manos must bail us out again... Let's go Jose.

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
Too bad he's not in the game anymore.


mebbe that was my point wiseguy

Jjav829
09-03-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by SoxxoS
How many games have we lost over the past two years by leaving the FREAKIN closer in for an extra inning? I would love to have that stat.

Who did you want? Billy Koch? Jose Paniagua? Gordon had thrown 7 pitches over 1/3 of an inning. He was our best option.

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:16 PM
Koch has got to pitch at some point

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
mebbe that was my point wiseguy Use teal next time, newbie. :D:

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
Koch has got to pitch at some point

No he doesn't

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
Koch has got to pitch at some point

But this is not that point.

Tragg
09-03-2003, 09:18 PM
Why is Willie Harris in this game? (I did miss everything until the last inning).

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
I hate Jerry Manuel as much as the next man, but where was anyone to say we should have had Marte in *before* Ortiz hit the homer?
I said it to my daughter in the living room-my computer was being used.

:firejerry

PaleHoseGeorge
09-03-2003, 09:18 PM
What happened to Everett? Did something happen to him, or was this just Jerry's idea for better outfield defense?

Aaron Rowand looks like Ron Cey with those short legs. And my God, having no choice but let Willie Harris bat for himself in that situation? Boy, oh boy...

:jerry
"I faked everybody out... even myself!"

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:19 PM
Guys, I've seen this game before. It was against Minnesota, July 2 or so. The same thing will not happen twice. We don't have that kind of luck.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Tragg
Why is Willie Harris in this game? (I did miss everything until the last inning).

Defensive replacement in the 8th inning with a one run lead against the best hitting team in the majors by the chief dope in the dugout.

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:20 PM
With rosters expanded-anyone could hit for Harris

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:20 PM
THAT WAS SO MEAN. :(:

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:20 PM
A crushing defeat-any defeat is at this stage

:firejerry

Hondo
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
This one falls squarely on the PLAYERS tonight.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Ouch ... this one hurts. We're now tied with Minnesota, and KC is about to pull within a game.

cheeses_h_rice
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
In a game of inches, the Sox just took 12 big ones up their hindside.

Worst loss of the year, perhaps.

Definitely the worst overall day of baseball for me this year.

wirtzbeer55
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Two heartbreakers... Will they rally against the Indians or is this going to start a slide? Hopefully the former.

SoxOnTop
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
With rosters expanded-anyone could hit for Harris

Yeah, take your pick from Burke, Rios and Miles. Some choice.

FoulTerritory
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
A crushing defeat-any defeat is at this stage

:firejerry

this was a very very very bad day. We must get over this and move on.

I'm going to go to bed early to try to forget that this day ever happened.

emaholic
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Well that was a bunch of ****.

Tragg
09-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
With rosters expanded-anyone could hit for Harris
Which is the next question - WHY THE HELL IS HE BATTING???

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:23 PM
3 left handers for Toons.

It wont be easy

PaleHoseGeorge
09-03-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by SoxOnTop
Defensive replacement in the 8th inning with a one run lead against the best hitting team in the majors by the chief dope in the dugout.

Un-bee-lee-bubble. He stuck Willie Harris into the middle of our lineup when he knew the .185 wunderkid would get at least one at-bat. The whole ninth inning was ruined for this simple fact.

:jerry
"I needed to show confidence in Willie."

SouthBendSox
09-03-2003, 09:23 PM
hows about a nice round of...

"FIRE MANUEL"

duke of dorwood
09-03-2003, 09:24 PM
:firejerry

Hondo
09-03-2003, 09:24 PM
Harris' AB is questionable.

HOWEVER, it all comes down to Ordonez's first pitch swing at an inning ending DP.

How about some plate discipline?

Agasint Lowe you have to know that pitch is coming. They didn't work the count enough tonight. Didn't make him pitch enough.

They've won in spite of Manuel all year but this loss is more the players than anything.

delben91
09-03-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by emaholic
Well that was a bunch of ****.

POTW right there folks.

I say bring on Cleveland, and let's take the first one and get back on track. That many hits and not converting can only happen for so long before something drops in.

Though shaken tonight, I can't help but keep the faith, the alternative is just too unappealing.

GO SOX!

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by SouthBendSox
hows about a nice round of...

"FIRE MANUEL"

There are losses we can pin specifically on Jerry Manuel. This is not one of them. He certainly didn't help matters, to be sure, but this one is on our hitters.

LASOXFAN
09-03-2003, 09:25 PM
The september swoon has officially begun, courtesy of one Jerry Manuel.

Let this be a quick death. Please. We don't deserve to suffer.

DrCrawdad
09-03-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
In a game of inches, the Sox just took 12 big ones up their hindside.

Worst loss of the year, perhaps.

Definitely the worst overall day of baseball for me this year.

When the Sox failed to win it in the 9th I told my wife that the Sox were going to lose. I hoped to be wrong.

So many opportunities, so many opportunities blown tonight.

Fitting I guess that David Ortiz, the former Twin gave the Sox a beating today.

Prepare for the coronation of the Cubbies...

:chunks

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:26 PM
I believe the White Sox have officially worn me out for the week. First Sunday's crappy hitting till the end, then these 2 games.

This has been an emotionally draining week. I can use tomorrow off.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-03-2003, 09:26 PM
:jerry
"I can't understand why we lost this game... everyone was so well rested!"

Unregistered
09-03-2003, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Ouch ... this one hurts. We're now tied with Minnesota, and KC is about to pull within a game. Ah, screw it. Let's start even and beat these punks ourselves. 7 games with each lets us control our own fate. 14 games that will surely bring us to the brink of cardiac arrest.

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:27 PM
And to top it off, KC is about to win.

Hondo
09-03-2003, 09:27 PM
My worst fear is coming true....

As the weather cools so do our bats.


We had two solid cracks at the bosox pen and not much to speak of.

The Twins worry me more than anything. The boys must sweep them and make a statement.

If not it could be a long and unhappy September.

FJA
09-03-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I believe the White Sox have officially worn me out for the week. First Sunday's crappy hitting till the end, then these 2 games.

This has been an emotionally draining week. I can use tomorrow off.

I agree. I am sick of this crap for now.

ihatethecubs
09-03-2003, 09:28 PM
steve dahl shouldve just blown up some records and got this one forefitted

A.T. Money
09-03-2003, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by Hondo

If not it could be a long and unhappy September.

Screw it dude. Once that starts to become a reality, I'll flip their asses off and just get into NFL mode. At least no one EXPECTS to win with the Bears.

RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 09:32 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/daver/darth.jpg -----> :jerry -----> http://www.bunni.com/tidbits/tombstone/tombstone.gif

RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 09:33 PM
****ing idiot ----------------------------------------> :jerry

Hondo
09-03-2003, 09:33 PM
It hurts when Gabe "Welcome back Kotter" Kapler and David Ortiz beat the Sox.

If we can't win we must combine our collective good karma to ensure those ******s on the north side won't either.

My Idealic 2004 White Sox Lineup

2B R. Alomar
LF C. Lee
DH F. Thomas
RF M. Ordonez
SS M. TEJADA
1B Konerko
3B Crede
CF Rowand
C Olivo

"These guys can play...until it matters"-ME

Maybe the '83 reunion will spark us. That's assuming our guys have ANY sense of history.

Lip Man 1
09-03-2003, 09:36 PM
No pontificating, no preaching, no swearing...just a cold rational look at what has to be one of the worst days I can ever recall as a Sox fan.

On a day when...

The Cubs come from six runs down to win and their fans are taking "destiny" like after Sandberg's game in 84...

When the Twins for the second time this season have an impossible ending to win a game and their fans are talking "destiny" like it's 1987...

The Royals look like they are going to beat the Rangers. (They are up 3-1 in the 9th)

The White Sox once again revert back to their familiar "corpseball" mode and blow a crucial game to the Red Sox.

THIS IS THE 10TH TIME THIS SEASON THE SOX HAVE BLOWN A GAME WHEN TAKING A LEAD INTO THE 7TH INNING OR LATER.

Knowing what else was going on, the Sox still stranded base runners by the bunches, made a dumb base running mistake and Manager Gandhi once again is a day late and a dollar short in his "brilliant" managerial manuvers. Why have Sullivan pitch to Sox killer Ortiz when he has Marte warming up? If you aren't going to go with the lefty / lefty match up, why even have him in the pen?

Amazing.

I guess I should have know this ca-ca was coming, these are the White Sox, they always choke or have bad things happen. I'm angry at myself for not realizing this, I should have known better as the Beatles sang.

I'm sorry folks, I don't think it's going to happen and once again it's not the "umpires." The umpires didn't strand, what ten more guys? The umpires didn't have prime scoring chances get wasted and the umpires didn't make all these substituations that enabled Willie Harris to be hitting in a game situation.

Nothing else to say except I'm physically ill right now. All this "talent," and so little results.

Let's see what creative way the Sox come up with to lose Friday night. (and remember Danny "I Can't Pitch" Wright goes Saturday...)

Lip

luvsox56
09-03-2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I believe the White Sox have officially worn me out for the week. First Sunday's crappy hitting till the end, then these 2 games.

This has been an emotionally draining week. I can use tomorrow off.
I also agree. This is going to be a longggggg month!!

ndgt10
09-03-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Hondo
It hurts when Gabe "Welcome back Kotter" Kapler and David Ortiz beat the Sox.

If we can't win we must combine our collective good karma to ensure those ******s on the north side won't either.

My Idealic 2004 White Sox Lineup

2B R. Alomar
LF C. Lee
DH F. Thomas
RF M. Ordonez
SS M. TEJADA
1B Konerko
3B Crede
CF Rowand
C Olivo

"These guys can play...until it matters"-ME

Maybe the '83 reunion will spark us. That's assuming our guys have ANY sense of history.

The only problem with that lineup is every hitter is a right handed batter except for alomar who is switch.

WhiteSox = Life
09-03-2003, 09:42 PM
The Sox hitters are to blame for squandering multiple opportunities. If they don't do that, Jerry has no reason to go out and do some crazy tinkering, which led to G-Baby batting against Kim with 2 outs and the winning run on third.

Here's an interesting angle. Remember when the Sox had men on 2nd and 3rd? Frank was intentionally walked twice and the Red Sox allowed only one run combined in those situations. The Sox decide to pitch to Ortiz two times and he burns them twice. It's not difficult to know who beats you and who has the best chance. The Red Sox strategized very well in that aspect; meanwhile, Jerry is running to the dictionary to look up the word.

:jerry
"Hey, I can categorize fine. G-Baby as a defensive replacement worked very well, as did pinch-running for Frank."

:hurt
"Yeah, Jerry. You had Rowand pinch-run for me and he got thrown out by 5 feet, with help from Bruce. Then, G-Baby, the finest defensive replacement money can buy, struck out with the winning run on third. Well played."

:jerry
"Exactly. It may not have worked out, but my theorizing was fine."

oheeoh...magglio
09-03-2003, 09:45 PM
As I said on the royals twins watch thread, i apologize for the "heart" comment i made, i just say stupid **** when i'm frusterated over the sox, but with that said, this one hurt!! :(:

Hondo
09-03-2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
The only problem with that lineup is every hitter is a right handed batter except for alomar who is switch.

You're right. That's the anger talking.

This just sucks.

Will the Sox cool off as the weather does the same? Maybe.

Not based on tonight but Manuel must go. KW is a good GM who has put the pieces in place. We have some good homegrown talent. We've brought in solid veterans and it doesn't seem to work. Logic would say we shouldn't be tied for first this late in the season. But when it comes to chicago sports. Logic is thrown out the winodw.

DrCrawdad
09-03-2003, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
No pontificating, no preaching, no swearing...just a cold rational look at what has to be one of the worst days I can ever recall as a Sox fan.

On a day when...

The Cubs come from six runs down to win and their fans are talking "destiny" like after Sandberg's game in 84...

When the Twins for the second time this season have an impossible ending to win a game and their fans are talking "destiny" like it's 1987...

The Royals look like they are going to beat the Rangers. (They are up 3-1 in the 9th)

The White Sox once again revert back to their familiar "corpseball" mode and blow a crucial game to the Red Sox.

THIS IS THE 10TH TIME THIS SEASON THE SOX HAVE BLOWN A GAME WHEN TAKING A LEAD INTO THE 7TH INNING OR LATER.

Knowing what else was going on, the Sox still stranded base runners by the bunches, made a dumb base running mistake and Manager Gandhi once again is a day late and a dollar short in his "brilliant" managerial manuvers. Why have Sullivan pitch to Sox killer Ortiz when he has Marte warming up? If you aren't going to go with the lefty / lefty match up, why even have him in the pen?

Amazing.

I guess I should have know this ca-ca was coming, these are the White Sox, they always choke or have bad things happen. I'm angry at myself for not realizing this, I should have known better as the Beatles sang.

I'm sorry folks, I don't think it's going to happen and once again it's not the "umpires." The umpires didn't strand, what ten more guys? The umpires didn't have prime scoring chances get wasted and the umpires didn't make all these substituations that enabled Willie Harris to be hitting in a game situation.

Nothing else to say except I'm physically ill right now. All this "talent," and so little results.

Let's see what creative way the Sox come up with to lose Friday night. (and remember Danny "I Can't Pitch" Wright goes Saturday...)

Lip

Bases loaded one out, Magglio inning ending Double Play. That's just one of so many missed opportunities.

Twins rally to win in the bottom of the 9th against Troy Percival (sp?). Former Twin beats the Sox brains in.

:angry: :whiner: :gulp: :angry: :whiner:

LASOXFAN
09-03-2003, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
No pontificating, no preaching, no swearing...just a cold rational look at what has to be one of the worst days I can ever recall as a Sox fan.

On a day when...

The Cubs come from six runs down to win and their fans are taking "destiny" like after Sandberg's game in 84...

When the Twins for the second time this season have an impossible ending to win a game and their fans are talking "destiny" like it's 1987...

The Royals look like they are going to beat the Rangers. (They are up 3-1 in the 9th)

The White Sox once again revert back to their familiar "corpseball" mode and blow a crucial game to the Red Sox.

THIS IS THE 10TH TIME THIS SEASON THE SOX HAVE BLOWN A GAME WHEN TAKING A LEAD INTO THE 7TH INNING OR LATER.

simply brutal, I agree. I actually feel sorry for Willie Harris. Used as a defensive replacement late in games or as a pinch runner, now asked to come up with a crucial hit in a crucial game.

Knowing what else was going on, the Sox still stranded base runners by the bunches, made a dumb base running mistake and Manager Gandhi once again is a day late and a dollar short in his "brilliant" managerial manuvers. Why have Sullivan pitch to Sox killer Ortiz when he has Marte warming up? If you aren't going to go with the lefty / lefty match up, why even have him in the pen?

Amazing.

I guess I should have know this ca-ca was coming, these are the White Sox, they always choke or have bad things happen. I'm angry at myself for not realizing this, I should have known better as the Beatles sang.

I'm sorry folks, I don't think it's going to happen and once again it's not the "umpires." The umpires didn't strand, what ten more guys? The umpires didn't have prime scoring chances get wasted and the umpires didn't make all these substituations that enabled Willie Harris to be hitting in a game situation.

Nothing else to say except I'm physically ill right now. All this "talent," and so little results.

Let's see what creative way the Sox come up with to lose Friday night. (and remember Danny "I Can't Pitch" Wright goes Saturday...)

Lip

RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 09:58 PM
Once again, I am reminded of a post made by our fearless leader, PHG. It went something like this:

:hurt :maggs

"If you're good, you don't play."

:walnuts :weewillie

"And if you're not good, you do play until you're good."

:jerry

"Exactly! And remember, everything I say is meaningless. I'm liable to change my mind with the next lineup card I fill out."

Tonight's version would go something like this:

:hurt :everett:

"If you're good, you don't play when the game is on the line."

:weewillie

"And if you're not good, you get to be in the game because it builds confidence."

:jerry

"Exactly! Remember, the goal in this game is make everyone feel good about themselves. Win or lose, every player needs to have a smile on his face when he leaves the ballpark each night. Isn't that right, Frank?"

:hurt

"Whatever you say, Jerry."

(thinking) Sonofa...

PaleHoseGeorge
09-03-2003, 10:04 PM
You know Rowand looked pathetic running into Varitek at homeplate. He was simply a pinchrunner for Big Frank. If Nomar was going to gun down the Sox runner trying to win the game, I would at least enjoyed Frank Thomas barreling into home. Of course he probably would have slid wide.... how did that guy ever play college football?

:?:

RKMeibalane
09-03-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
You know Rowand looked pathetic running into Varitek at homeplate. He was simply a pinchrunner for Big Frank. If Nomar was going to gun down the Sox runner trying to win the game, I would at least enjoyed Frank Thomas barreling into home. Of course he probably would have slid wide.... how did that guy ever play college football?

:?:

IIRC, Frank was more of a pass-catching tight-end, as opposed to blocking TE. Of course, one wonders how he survived being tackled. :D:

Jerko
09-03-2003, 10:11 PM
I WAS just going to come on here and bitch, but in all fairness, I did not see the game until it was 4-4. I did not know why certain people were in certain spots (even though I could figure it out), and I wanted to read all the posts before coming on here and repeating everything. So, having said that, I just have a few questions to ponder and points to make. Why is it every time we use a pinch runner he either doesn't move at all or gets thrown out at 3rd or home when he does? Why is Willie Harris EVER batting with the game winning run on 3rd? I know Gordon did not throw many pitches, but the White Sox have shown over the years that they are the ONLY team in baseball that can't win when their closer, WHOEVER it is, comes into tie ball games. I think the guy whose name escapes me right now that is going to lead the AL in saves this year but wasn't good enough to be a closer anymore according to someone we all know and love, was good for that too. Thomas gets pinch ran for, Everett gets yanked, what if the game were still going on? Who was going to hit for the Sox? You don't need to make wholesale changes in a 4-3 game. Someone posted earlier that David Ortiz has a .971 something or other average against the Sox for his career. I wonder why nobody on the coaching staff knew that since HE SPENT HIS WHOLE CAREER IN THE SAME DIVISION AS US UNTIL NOW!!!!!!! You think after a while it would sink in somewhere. I know the RISP sucks on this team, but EVERYBODY knows that, so you have to make up for it somehow, not taking out 2 of your best bats for Willie Freakin Harris and Aaron Rowand. Harris should PINCH RUN ONLY, and that's it, and that's being nice! I don't see the Twins letting Harry Heiderhontz bat with their game on the line and a man at 3rd, why do the Sox? Hey look, the Royals won, and Sweeney gasp, played the whole game! So did ALL the starters. You don't see this in their box score: a - batted for Randa just because, b- ran for Sweeney cause his ass hurts, c-came in for defense for ONE inning because it's too bright out, etc. Nice choices on the bench too. If your bench is that bad, quit taking people out!!!!!!!! I can see it now, 2 outs, bags jammed Friday and here comes Joey Bagadonuts to hit for Ordonez. Thank goodnes that we have an advantage playing only good teams from now on .
Well, just kick KC and MIN ass ourselves and we should be all right. I hope. Ok, let's see Houston blow this 4-2 lead and just top off the perfect day.

Nick@Nite
09-03-2003, 10:23 PM
... crappy day at work... go to lunchtime college algebra class and take chapter test, score lower than Charlie The Tuna's zip code... stay late at work, pushing paper... after work, hit the treadmill at the gym. watch espn highlights of Benjie Molina NOT take care of the ball (and his wrist) as the Twins score the tying and winning runs in bottom of the 9th... arrive at home. have every intention of going to the local laundry mat because my stock of clean clothes is running low... but wait! Sox are on espn2... watch Sox struggle on offense (where'd all the crooked numbers go!), then lose in extra innings... the hated twins are now tied for first with the Sox... the overachieving and much despised royals 1 game behind Sox... still have Himalayan size mountain of dirty clothes for the laundry mat in the middle of my apartment... ran outta beer as I type this... i think I'm going to ...
:chunks

FJA
09-03-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
I WAS just going to come on here and bitch, but in all fairness, I did not see the game until it was 4-4. I did not know why certain people were in certain spots (even though I could figure it out), and I wanted to read all the posts before coming on here and repeating everything. So, having said that, I just have a few questions to ponder and points to make. Why is it every time we use a pinch runner he either doesn't move at all or gets thrown out at 3rd or home when he does? Why is Willie Harris EVER batting with the game winning run on 3rd? I know Gordon did not throw many pitches, but the White Sox have shown over the years that they are the ONLY team in baseball that can't win when their closer, WHOEVER it is, comes into tie ball games. I think the guy whose name escapes me right now that is going to lead the AL in saves this year but wasn't good enough to be a closer anymore according to someone we all know and love, was good for that too. Thomas gets pinch ran for, Everett gets yanked, what if the game were still going on? Who was going to hit for the Sox? You don't need to make wholesale changes in a 4-3 game. Someone posted earlier that David Ortiz has a .971 something or other average against the Sox for his career. I wonder why nobody on the coaching staff knew that since HE SPENT HIS WHOLE CAREER IN THE SAME DIVISION AS US UNTIL NOW!!!!!!! You think after a while it would sink in somewhere. I know the RISP sucks on this team, but EVERYBODY knows that, so you have to make up for it somehow, not taking out 2 of your best bats for Willie Freakin Harris and Aaron Rowand. Harris should PINCH RUN ONLY, and that's it, and that's being nice! I don't see the Twins letting Harry Heiderhontz bat with their game on the line and a man at 3rd, why do the Sox? Hey look, the Royals won, and Sweeney gasp, played the whole game! So did ALL the starters. You don't see this in their box score: a - batted for Randa just because, b- ran for Sweeney cause his ass hurts, c-came in for defense for ONE inning because it's too bright out, etc. Nice choices on the bench too. If your bench is that bad, quit taking people out!!!!!!!! I can see it now, 2 outs, bags jammed Friday and here comes Joey Bagadonuts to hit for Ordonez. Thank goodnes that we have an advantage playing only good teams from now on .
Well, just kick KC and MIN ass ourselves and we should be all right. I hope. Ok, let's see Houston blow this 4-2 lead and just top off the perfect day.

You tell 'em Jurko!

Great post ... especially the box score and the part about Bagadonuts. LOL.

WhiteSox = Life
09-03-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by PinchALoaf
i think I'm going to ...
:chunks

Sounds more like you're going to start convulsing and go into paroxysms.

:smile:

Jerko
09-03-2003, 10:30 PM
Thanks for reading the whole thing! I get longwinded after losses.

Nick@Nite
09-03-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by WhiteSox = Life
Sounds more like you're going to start convulsing and go into paroxysms.

:smile:

Life... to late bro! Im a goooooonnnnnneeeerrrrrrr... okay, see you next time! :smile:

WhiteSox = Life
09-03-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by PinchALoaf
Life... to late bro! Im a goooooonnnnnneeeerrrrrrr... okay, see you next time! :smile:

He's fine, folks. We injected 12 ounces of beer into him and he's doing all right. He's on the road to recovery. After he wakes up, he might feel a little ill, but that's just a small side effect of the medicine.

:smile: