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Joel Perez
09-01-2003, 06:56 PM
Everyone...take a look at this...

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/stats/CHW/regularseason/PIT-RISP-WITH-TWO-OUT/yearly?&_1:col_1=4&_1:col_2=4

If there is one area that the Sox pitchers better do well at from here on out, it is their mental approach to stranding the opposition on the basepaths.

Check out Colon's numbers, as well as Loaiza's (UGH!), Buerhle and Garland! The two best people on this stats list were Damaso Marte (3.00 ERA w/ Runners in scoring position w/two outs) and Dan Wright (4.50 ERA w/RISP-2 outs). Neal Cott's numbers weren't too shabby either, but that was in limited duty.

Thoughts?

Geeterman1
09-01-2003, 07:03 PM
Where's the stat that shows their era on tuesday day games in a dome??? I think it's pointless to look that deep into a stat, the most important is ERA, I don't care how they keep the runs from crossing the plate, just as long as they do it. Just my opinion.

Daver
09-01-2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Joel Perez


Check out Colon's numbers, as well as Loaiza's (UGH!), Buerhle and Garland! The two best people on this stats list were Damaso Marte (3.00 ERA w/ Runners in scoring position w/two outs) and Dan Wright (4.50 ERA w/RISP-2 outs). Neal Cott's numbers weren't too shabby either, but that was in limited duty.

Thoughts?

I have yet to see numbers put on a glove and play the game,when they do I might pay a little more attention to them,till then the only numbers that mean a damn thing are wins and losses.

MisterB
09-01-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Joel Perez
Everyone...take a look at this...

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/stats/CHW/regularseason/PIT-RISP-WITH-TWO-OUT/yearly?&_1:col_1=4&_1:col_2=4

If there is one area that the Sox pitchers better do well at from here on out, it is their mental approach to stranding the opposition on the basepaths.

Check out Colon's numbers, as well as Loaiza's (UGH!), Buerhle and Garland! The two best people on this stats list were Damaso Marte (3.00 ERA w/ Runners in scoring position w/two outs) and Dan Wright (4.50 ERA w/RISP-2 outs). Neal Cott's numbers weren't too shabby either, but that was in limited duty.

Thoughts?

You appear to be suffering from statistical myopia, which is caused by looking too closely at stats. Please note the sample size involved here: that 8.10 ERA for Loaiza is in 20 ip. He's pitched 190+ innings overall, so that ERA reflects the 10.5% of his total innings pitched in which the opposition is most likely to score anyway. There's plenty of areas for concern with the Sox as it is, we don't need to be inventing new things to get hysterical about.

kermittheefrog
09-01-2003, 07:22 PM
Right... Let's think for a second. ERA is earned runs allowed per nine innings. If you start with a situation where runners are not only on base but on either second or third it's pretty likely everyone will come out with a high ERA. Not to mention it's dumb to look at situational ERAs. If anything look at opponents OPS or OBP or SLG in specific situations but thats not all that pertinent either.

kempsted
09-02-2003, 12:27 AM
Yes and it does no good to look at one team either. Here are the LA Dodgers numbers - not a shabby pitching staff right?
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/stats/LA/regularseason/PIT-RISP-WITH-TWO-OUT/yearly?&_1:col_1=4

Most starters on this list have ERA's over 6. Who cares.

If you want useful stats look at

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/current/snwlreport03.html

Support neutral won lost. Loaiza is still number 1 no matter how you slice it.