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soxtalker
09-01-2003, 11:37 AM
Joe Cowley made a very brief comment in his column today in the Southtown referring to "Mark Buehrle looking tired in his last two starts"

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm (www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm)

Now, I know that he didn't pitch well the last appearance in Detroit, but I assumed that a lot of this might be due to not pitching the night before against the Yankees. But is there more here to be worrried about?

voodoochile
09-01-2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by soxtalker
Joe Cowley made a very brief comment in his column today in the Southtown referring to "Mark Buehrle looking tired in his last two starts"

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm (www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm)

Now, I know that he didn't pitch well the last appearance in Detroit, but I assumed that a lot of this might be due to not pitching the night before against the Yankees. But is there more here to be worrried about?

He didn't look tired to me, he looked like he was over throwing if anything and thus missing his spots. Of course I am not objective in my analysis, being convinced that anger at JM is one of the main reasons he was over throwing, so Joe may be right...

soxtalker
09-01-2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
He didn't look tired to me, he looked like he was over throwing if anything and thus missing his spots. Of course I am not objective in my analysis, being convinced that anger at JM is one of the main reasons he was over throwing, so Joe may be right...

On the other hand, I think that Joe Cowley has been a fairly strong defender of JM throughout the season. Joe is, of course, much closer to the team, so he may sense something that we don't. I hope not in this case.

kermittheefrog
09-01-2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by soxtalker
Joe Cowley made a very brief comment in his column today in the Southtown referring to "Mark Buehrle looking tired in his last two starts"

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm (www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm)

Now, I know that he didn't pitch well the last appearance in Detroit, but I assumed that a lot of this might be due to not pitching the night before against the Yankees. But is there more here to be worrried about?

Despite pitching excellently most of the lsat two seasons Buehrle seemed to tire in September. Not to a great degree, his September ERAs were just a bit higher but his k/bb ratio completely fell apart and to me he just appeared tired. He also lost a bit of velocity last September.

soxtalker
09-01-2003, 02:40 PM
Just found another suggestion that he might be tiring:

www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/report/CHW/6607691 (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/report/CHW/6607691)

Previous start took 100 pitches in only 6 innings.

jabrch
09-01-2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker
Joe Cowley made a very brief comment in his column today in the Southtown referring to "Mark Buehrle looking tired in his last two starts"

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm (www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/011sd1.htm)

Now, I know that he didn't pitch well the last appearance in Detroit, but I assumed that a lot of this might be due to not pitching the night before against the Yankees. But is there more here to be worrried about?


In short, yes...I am not a JM-Sympathizer. I don't defend him and I am not defending his move. However, he says he did it because he feels that Buehrle is tiring a bit and that he wanted him to have another night's rest. I think we should take that for face value and assume that there is something straining Mark somewhere. I don't want to see him treated the way JM treated him ever again, but I would think Cowley, who is usually fairly credible, knows something.

flo-B-flo
09-01-2003, 07:40 PM
I would think there are lots of things that we don't know about in the clubhouse. Two years in a row I thought Mark B lost a little at the end of the year.

34 Inch Stick
09-02-2003, 12:18 PM
If 1 run over six innings over a very good hitting Ranger team is tiring, I will take it.

soxtalker
09-02-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
If 1 run over six innings over a very good hitting Ranger team is tiring, I will take it.

Your point is well-taken, though it is a bit unusual for Buehrle to make 100 pitches in just 6 innings. Yes, he held them to just a run, but that also probably means that he was struggling more than usual. We're talking about very subtle signs here, though there may be more that the people who work with Buehrle everyday can see.