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Lip Man 1
08-31-2003, 10:18 PM
Gang:

I'm inviting everyone to use this thread to post your memories of the 1983 Sox. It was a wonderful season (especially the last three months...) and I'd be curious to know what YOU ALL remember about it.

To help you along WSI has just released my latest historical audio interactive column on the main page. It recaps the entire season and has audio soundbites from players like Ron Kittle and Tom Paciorek, highlights from game action throughout the season, the divisional clinching evening (with post game celebration / interviews) and a complete look at the ALCS.

It took two weeks of hard work but I'm sure you are going to enjoy it!

Remember let's all hear what YOU remember!

Lip

Nick@Nite
08-31-2003, 10:24 PM
I remember hanging out at my best friends house, making him flip it to Monday Night baseball. If my memory serves me correctly, The Bull hit a giant home run against the Yankees... a roof shot!

Sox ended up winning that one, of course. :smile:

Brian26
08-31-2003, 10:28 PM
Great idea for a thread, Lip.

Here's one for you: The Sox played the California Angels at home in a game that was delayed by rain until after midnight. Somehow, someway, they came back from a huge deficit (9-2?) to win the game after the rain stopped. Anyone else remember this game?

How about the Saturday afternoon NBC game when Milt Wilcox almost no-hit the Sox until Jerry Hairston broke it up with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.

Lip Man 1
08-31-2003, 11:16 PM
Pinch: The game you remember was in early August. Bull hit two home runs in his first two at bats off Ray Fonteneu. The first one was his 2nd roofer of the season. Yes the Sox won the game.

Brian: The Angels game saw the Sox trailing 6-1 in the 9th, they scored two runs before an almost two hour rain delay. After the delay they kept scoring with Marc "Booter" Hill getting the tying double. They played until the 12th inning when Baines hit a home run to win it 7-6. The game ended shortly before 2AM. I was laying on my couch in my apartment in Monroe, Louisiana listening to the game and I had to get up at 8AM to be at the TV station in the morning. I had to do three shows that day but it was worth it!

The almost perfect game was a Friday Night game on April 15th in Chicago. You are confusing this game with the NBC Game Of The Week in early April 1984. That's where Jack Morris no hit the Sox. In one inning he walked the bases full and went 3-0 to Bull before getting him out and retiring the rest of the side. The closest the Sox came to a hit was when Paciorek ripped a line shot down the first base line which was grabbed by #14 (?) I forget his name but he was a defensive specialist.

Lip

Nick@Nite
08-31-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Pinch: The game you remember was in early August. Bull hit two home runs in his first two at bats off Ray Fonteneu. The first one was his 2nd roofer of the season. Yes the Sox won the game.

Brian: The Angels game saw the Sox trailing 6-1 in the 9th, they scored two runs before an almost two hour rain delay. After the delay they kept scoring with Marc "Booter" Hill getting the tying double. They played until the 12th inning when Baines hit a home run to win it 7-6. The game ended shortly before 2AM. I was laying on my couch in my apartment in Monroe, Louisiana listening to the game and I had to get up at 8AM to be at the TV station in the morning. I had to do three shows that day but it was worth it!

The almost perfect game was a Friday Night game on April 15th in Chicago. You are confusing this game with the NBC Game Of The Week in early April 1984. That's where Jack Morris no hit the Sox. In one inning he walked the bases full and went 3-0 to Bull before getting him out and retiring the rest of the side. The closest the Sox came to a hit was when Paciorek ripped a line shot down the first base line which was grabbed by #14 (?) I forget his name but he was a defensive specialist.

Lip

Yeah!!! :cool: Thanks for the confirmation, Lip. Glad I have 1 or 2 active brain cells left in the old memory bank. :D:

Btw, great idea on the thread!

MJL_Sox_Fan
09-01-2003, 12:35 AM
I remember sitting on my parents porch watch the games, no game in particular, but warm summer nights and baseball. As a 9 year old, it was soooo cool. It has too be the best summer. In 1993, I was in college so it was different. 1983 was something I will always remember, particularly the playoffs. I was so young that I was told to go to bed but I listened to my father and brothers yell through the ducts in my house in the late innings.

Lip Man 1
09-01-2003, 02:03 AM
MJL....that is one HELL of a memory!!!!! WOW

and I'm NOT being facitious

Lip

SoxFanDan
09-01-2003, 02:06 AM
i was only two years old at that point so i remeber nada. But all i know is these pennant races are the things that change lives for young sox fans. im 22 and im having a great summer following the sox, even into college.

Brian26
09-01-2003, 02:34 AM
More memories...

This is more from the '82 season than the '83 season, but listening to Jimmy Peirsall's "Talking Baseball" after the night games on WMAQ radio was a blast. Back then, it was country music before and after the Sox games. Peirsall's producer was Nancy Turner, who was a dj on the station. Peirsall would spend night after night ranting about how the Sox needed to get a real third baseman. Bubby Bell or Toby Harah, he said. He also called Steve Kemp a "butcher" in leftfield. And of course, when drillrods would call in to get under his skin, Peirsall would say, "hit the button on this guy, Nancy."

Brian26
09-01-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Pinch: The game you remember was in early August. Bull hit two home runs in his first two at bats off Ray Fonteneu. The first one was his 2nd roofer of the season. Yes the Sox won the game.

Brian: The Angels game saw the Sox trailing 6-1 in the 9th, they scored two runs before an almost two hour rain delay. After the delay they kept scoring with Marc "Booter" Hill getting the tying double. They played until the 12th inning when Baines hit a home run to win it 7-6. The game ended shortly before 2AM. I was laying on my couch in my apartment in Monroe, Louisiana listening to the game and I had to get up at 8AM to be at the TV station in the morning. I had to do three shows that day but it was worth it!
Lip

Good memory, Lip. That makes perfect sense now and that is exactly how it happened.

Brian26
09-01-2003, 02:40 AM
More memories...

How about that night game in New York (August, maybe) when Britt Burns went out there and absolutely pitched his ass off to give the Sox a huge road victory. This may have been right after he came back to the team after this father passed away. Probably just as gutsy of a performance as Game 4 of the playoffs.

TommyJohn
09-01-2003, 06:06 AM
I'm actually surprised by how much I remember from 1983, both
good and bad. My list of memories, in no particular order:

Milt Wilcox's near perfect game in April. I recorded Jerry Hair-
ston's at-bat in the event of the historic perfect game. Instead
I got Lorn Brown yelling like there was no tomorrow after Hair-
ston got his basehit.

Being in the stands the day Greg Luzinski hit his first roof shot
against the Twins. The ball went so high a lot of people in left
field (where I was) had no idea what happened for a moment.
I thought it was just a lazy flyball and kept waiting for it to come
down.

Rich Dotson pitching a one-hitter against the Orioles in Baltimore
and losing the game 1-0.

The game against the Angels mentioned by previous posters,
which ended around 2 A.M.

A game in the same series in which Carlton Fisk, Tom Paciorek
and Greg Luzinski nailed back-to-back-to-back home runs off
Tommy John. Britt Burns 1 hit the Angels in the same game.

The Sox beating the Royals 3-1 on Monday Night Baseball on a
2 run homer by Julio Cruz.

Freezing in the stands during an April game against Texas.
Harold Baines homered in that game. Maybe it was May, I
just know that it was a cold, overcast weekend game.

Another heartbreaker in Baltimore: The Sox up 4-2 with two
outs in the bottom of the 9th and the bases empty, on the
verge of nailing down the win. Suddenly the Orioles slap out
either 4 or 5 straight hits, the last one winning the game for
Baltimore, 5-4.

Tom Paciorek's rip job of Tony LaRussa and demand of a trade.

Jimmy Piersall being fired after Opening Day for various and
many criticisms.

The division-clinching game against Seattle. I recorded the audio
of the 9th inning and still have it. My family lived near the ball-
park, so we went outside, watched the fireworks and cheered
passersby who were coming home from the game. A lot of folks
came out that night to cheer.

Lamarr Hoyt's gutsy performance in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Seeing the end of Game 2 and getting the crushing feeling
that the Orioles were going to win the series.

And finally:

Britt Burns' masterful Game 4 performance, and the last out of
the season. Ugh.

The next day we were all on our way to church and my grouchy
old grandmother went on and on and on and on (in fact, I think
she's still talking) about how the series was fixed. She was one
of the Sox' biggest fans during the season, then turned on them
like a mad dog once they lost. I wanted so badly to tell her to shut the hell up. Ah, memories.

hsnterprize
09-01-2003, 06:22 AM
Wow...it's great to see these great memories of what was a great season. I wasn't into the Sox back then as mush as I am now, but I can remember the night the Sox clinched. We've seen the highlight of Julio Cruz crossing home plate over and over again, but what really got me was the celebration afterward. For years, I've wondered if Chicago would ever be able to celebrate a championship like other cities did; mainly by fans running on the field. I know that topic is frowned upon today, but back then, it was all too common for fans of the home team to run on the field and celebrate when their team did something significant like win a championship. Anyway, once Cruz toched home plate, the fans streamed on the field like an open faucet. It was a joy to see. And here's the funny part. Shortly after the locker room interviews and such, there was a camera shot of fans partying in center field, and Don Drysdale and Ken Harrelson each said, and I'm not kidding here..."the fans are on their best behavior." A definite far cry from the idiots who ran on the field and attacked the Kansas City Royals' coach and the umpire.

However, there's a bad memory I can recall after the Sox clinched the division. I remember watching The NFL Today on CBS shortly before the ALCS, and everyone on the panel predicting the Sox winning the series...everyone except Jimmy "The Greek". I recall Brent Musberger saying the Sox won 99 games, LaMarr Hoyt was on fire, and there was no way the Sox could lose. Jimmy smiled and looked straight in the camera and said, "The Baltimore Orioles will beat the White Sox and win the series." Go figure. I wonder what Jimmy's reaction was when the O's won the series? Who knows.

hsnterprize
09-01-2003, 08:13 AM
With all the neat stuff on the home page about past teams, why not have something dedicated to the 1983 team? And here's another question...in your piece about the 1983 season, why isn't Retun of the Jedi on the list for top movies of that year? That flick was one of the hottest films of that summer!!!!!!!

Nick@Nite
09-01-2003, 08:32 AM
Too me, the whole thing about 1983 was the battle cry "Winning Ugly". I remember that it was Doug Radar, manager of the Texas Rangers who said... "Their bubble has got to burst. They’re not playing that well. They’re winning ugly. At least that’s what our reports say".

I'm trying to remember/research the exact date of that remark (I can be compulsive). So far, all I can find is that it came before the start of a four game series with Texas, which I'm guessing came after the All-Star game. I swear that I heard/read a retort from Greg Luzinski saying to the effect "oh yeah, tell Radar his old man is ugly".

Am I hallucinating?

hose
09-01-2003, 09:11 AM
In 1983 I was living in the San Gabriel Valley in a suburb called Temple City, which is just south of the Santa Anita race track.

I had to endure shots all season long from my wife who was from New York and a Yankee fan about the White Sox.

I was so starved for any White Sox info that I was buying an all sports daily newspaper for 50 cents just to read a paragraph and a half on the Sox.

This newspaper, which was strictly for LA local print, didn't last more than a year and then another all sports daily newspaper appeared on the scene called "The National" This paper was published for the whole country but it also failed.

The LA Times , the Orange County Register and the Examiner would always have a featured story on the team coming into town to face the Angels and Dodgers. I would buy all 3 newspapers when the Sox came in to the big A to play the Angels.

Sport talk radio and the internet were not around back then . All you got was a couple of minutes of sports on the local news. ESPN was just starting off and I couldn't afford cable at that time anyway. Scheesch I was living in a converted garage at the time( which is still pretty common in the LA area.)

FoulTerritory
09-01-2003, 10:45 AM
I was 8 years old at the time, and the first baseball game I ever attended was the game before the clincher. The sox won, but we needed help to clinch, which didn't happen. I can't even remember who was in second that had to lose for us to clinch, but they kept showing clips on the scoreboard and my dad was going bursurk with intensity, mostly involving the "help" game, more so than the sox game, which was an easy victory if my memory is serving me correctly.

So yeah, that was my first game. I don't remember the score, or much about the game itself, but I do remember emerging from the inner concourse area out into the seating area. It was my first view of the field and it looked so much different than it did on TV, and the stands looked such a vivid green, I thought I'd found the emerald city. I also remember being in awe of the monster scoreboard, with the pinwheels. It was a dream place for a child, as all of colors, the lights, and fireworks made it seem like the perfect place to be.

Wow, it was then that the passion for the sox started, and it hasn't left. A fuzzy, yet brilliant memory. We talk cinically about being Sox fans and about the troubled tortured plight of our team, and how stupid Manuel is, and I am as guilty as anyone, but really it isn't so bad when you think in terms of your childhood and how enriched it was because you loved baseball and had a team, and stuck by it.

Thanks for taking me to that game dad . . .

voodoochile
09-01-2003, 11:11 AM
I was in college and had was completing my sophmore year during April and May and early June. I told all my roommates the Sox were going to be a force. Then we left for the Summer. Going back in the fall, when we hooked up for beers my my now-ex-roommates were all rooting for the Sox too and congratulating me for being psychic.

I remember the Doug Rader "Winning Ugly" comment and still own a t-shirt which is stained and faded and way too small for my fat ass to wear anymore.

I remember seeing Julio Cruz slide into home to score the division clinching run. I remember the Sox winning almost every series they played in the second half (sound familiar?).

I had quit the flubbies cold turkey after 1979 and was very happy to see the Sox justify my faith in them before the flubbies made the playoffs the next year. This was the first time since 1959 that either team had made good on their talent. Baseball was different back then for Chicago. That year and 84 for the flubbies made people expect a little more, I think. This was before Wrigley was trendy and the Sox were drawing the same amount of fans as them. My memory of specifics isn't that good from back then. Still, I remember the magical ride as a concept. The Sox were just plain better than everyone they played. It was a stunning ride that came to an all to quick and disappointing ending.

FanOf14
09-01-2003, 11:12 AM
I was 6 that season, but I have one distinct memory. I had just gotten back from the hospital after getting my head stitched up and having my elbows and knees taken care of (I was pushed under a car when I tried running through an opened fire hydrant. I was supposed to stay in the back yard while my mom was putting my sister down for a nap and changing my baby brother and I slipped out the gate with my friends from down the block).

Anyhow, my dad carried me up the stairs and placed me on the couch so I could watch the baseball game while under parental observation (they had to watch for certain things to make sure I didn't have a concussion). As soon as my dad put me on the couch, there was a back-to back-to back homeruns! If I remember correctly, I think it was Kittle, Paciorek and Luzinski (sp?). The game would have been around 7/7/1983. I know I went to a game or two that year, but I don't remember alot about what happened at those games.

captain54
09-01-2003, 11:21 AM
We had a family member who worked in the White Sox marketing/promotion staff, and he got us behind home plate seats for the first game of the Yankee series in late July of 83'....I remember it was hotter than hell.....It was difficult to get a good ticket at that time....we happened to be sitting with some of the umpires wives and my Dad got a little buzzed and started hitting on one of the umpires wives....I remember Fisk tore it up that night and the Sox won in front of 40,000+....

that was a great summer to be a Sox fan....especially after he horrible start they had that year....I remember the putrid defense and pictures on the back page in the Suntimes after a game in late May of Greg Walker dropping a routine fly ball at first base..

that was the first time I remember Hawk Harrelson giving a nickname to a player....."Booter" for backup catcher Marc Hill...(cause he liked to wear cowboy boots)...

after LaMarr Hoyt beat the Orioles in Baltimore in the first game of the ALCS, everyone had World Series on the minds...then they lost game 2, and when they got blown out at Comiskey in game 3, you just had this sinking feeling....

you had a feeling that if the Sox could even the Series in game 4 at 2 each, they could take game 5 and a chance to go to the World Series with Hoyt pitching......

it wasn't just the Dybzinski f##k up in the seventh of game 4 that put the nail in the coffin....they had chance after chance to score in that game and couldnt come thru....Britt Burns became my new hero after that game.....one of the guttiest performances from a pitcher I have ever seen....

voodoochile
09-01-2003, 11:35 AM
I don't know if this was '83 or not, my memory says yes, but it feels later. I remember the Sox were losing some game by 3-runs in the 9th when Harrrrold hit a solo shot and then Walker hit a 2-run blast that was still going up when it reached the RF wall. It ended up in the upper deck. The game went to extra-innings when someone else hit a homerun to win the game. Too little info, I know... I just remember that homerun by Walker and leaning out one of the arched windows to laugh at some people who had left early...

Lip Man 1
09-01-2003, 01:11 PM
Wow....this is a hell of a thread. Some of these memories are very touching.

First off I must apologize for my stupidity. I made it sound (unintentionally) that I alone was responsible for the 1983 piece. That's not true...I wrote it and dubbed off on to audio the highlights and soundbites, but a tip of the cap has to go to Pale Hose George who spent much time putting everything together and reformatting the story for the WSI pages. I did the story in the Word Perfect format and when it was sent to George it got scrambled because his system doesn't have that format. He had to figure everything out and fix what the computer differences screwed up. He did a great job, almost flawless! I just wanted to give credit where credit was due.

Now let's see if I can answer some questions.....


Fan Of 14: The back to back to back home runs you were talking about came against the Angels and were hit by Fisk / Luzinski / Paciorek. They all came off Tommy John. It was the game where Britt Burns tossed a one hitter and the Sox won 11-0 on September 9th.

Captain: Your game was on July 29th, the Sox beat the Yanks 7-2. It was Koosman over Guidry.

Voodoo: I still have my "Winnin' Ugly" T-Shirt as well!

Foul: Your game was on September 16th. Sox 7, Seattle 0. Floyd Bannister got the win over Ron Clark.

Pinch: The "Winnin' Ugly" remark was uttered by Rader before the four game series in Texas. That series started on August 19. The Sox took 3 of 4 and left Dallas with an eight game lead over the Rangers.

That's it for now.

Lip

AndyFrain
09-01-2003, 04:08 PM
Living downstate at the time, I couldn't make many games that year. But on Labor Day, 1983, I made it up for the series final that weekend vs Oakland. The place was mobbed, I made it to a seat in the far right field-center field corner, allowing me to peer into the A's bullpen that was underneath center field. We won the game, I believe in extra innings, it was no pitchers duel. I also remember a roof shot, I think by Kittle, or something very close to it. The place erupted, especially with the winning out. It was a gorgeous day to be a Sox fan.

Joel Perez
09-01-2003, 06:50 PM
In 1983, I was in 5th grade at Brookview Elementary School in Bolingbrook (now called Tibbets Elementary after the Principal J. Tibbets in the late 80s). Our class got a hold of one of the TVs, and we were watching Game 1 of the '83 Playoffs in our classroom around 2pm. Pretty exciting stuff!

My only memories were watching the Sox on WFLD 32 from time to time, as well as picking up the Sun Times because it was the easiest way to get the Sports Page, just flip the newspaper and start reading on the back.

Does anyone know how in the world I can get my hands on that newspaper when the Sox clinched it all?

DrCrawdad
09-01-2003, 07:02 PM
I just ran across this ticket stub from June 24, 1983. Funny thing is that I didn't keep ticket stubs back then but somehow this was stuffed in with some paperwork and it survived.

Unfortunately the Sox lost 5-1 to the Twins in front of 26,000 and I don't remember one single thing from the game.

DrCrawdad
09-01-2003, 07:02 PM
Back of the ticket...

inta
09-01-2003, 07:19 PM
that summer is a great memory for me even though i was only a youth. my dad and uncles took me and my cousins to a game pretty much every week back then.

but my favorite was when my uncle took my dad and i to the game where the sox clinched the pennant. it was drizzling all night. there was a warehouse on fire back in the distance on shields, the whole night seemed ultra chaotic. then when the sox won everone stormed the field. my dad yanked a big chunk of muddy left field grass and stuck it in his pocket (which he then planted in our backyard.)

mike squires
09-01-2003, 07:23 PM
83' was the first time stepping into old comiskey (sorry for those that are reading this for the millionth time.) My memories are just a bit fuzzy but very green...Koozman pitched a hell of a game and I remember distinctivly the following...Sox fans giving Yaz a standing ovation for it would be his last at bat in old Comiskey...Begging Harold with an outstretched program as he walked by down the right field line. He passed me by but I would beg him 15 more times successfully 18 years later. :D:...Luzinski hitting the roof off of Oil Can Boyd. The next day Leyland said it looked like a golf ball. The left fielder Jim Rice, didn't even budge...Luzinski hit another blast into the upper deck along with Baines and Law just missed one down the right field line. The unthinkable also took place that day, Mark Hill squeezing home Ron Kittle. I'll never forget that day. My dad has since lost a bit of his passion for the game and doesn't like getting out to any games as he once did. I am very thankful for that day with him...

Sitting on the living room couch in Brook, In. watching the Juice jump on home plate.

Running home from school to catch the last few innings of game one and thinking we were well on our way to winning it all.

For some reason I don't remember anything at all of the blow out in Comiskey.

I remember there was a rain delay before Britt pitched his heart out. When Landrum hit that home run into the upper deck I had tears welling up in my eyes. My Dad disgustedly walked out to wash the car as a way to cope. Baltimore vs. the Phillies just didn't seem right.

I also remember that back to back to back game against the Angles down at my Uncles house.

That 83 season was the true start for my true love for baseball.

I remember getting Mike Squires' autograph before a game in 85'. I think I lost the program. I would do anything for his signiature on my Old Comiskey seat part and ball that I have other 83' guys on...

What a year. Thanks Lip for the opportunity to read these great posts and the stuff you sent me awhile back.

IF ANYONE HAS THAT BRITT BURNS GAME ON TAPE LET ME KNOW, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN IT!!!

LongLiveFisk
09-01-2003, 07:41 PM
1983...one of the best summers of my life, even to this day.

Me, a 12-yr-old kid, a long summer vacation, bikeriding with my friends from dusk til dawn, great music on the radio (as fas as I was concerned anyway), and exciting baseball on the South Side. You know something, if there really is a Heaven, I don't want to go there unless all these great times and great feelings are there again, waiting for me.

Ok, think I'll stop before I cry...
:whiner:

tacosalbarojas
09-01-2003, 07:57 PM
Great memories here...like many others here I am of a certain age where I look back on '83 with that wistful coming-of-age eye. I was 13 in the summer of '83 and I never for one instant that summer believed that we were going to lose in the playoffs....didn't even think about it...lol. Boy, how time flies and how we get indoctrinated into SOX fandom - that is to suffer is to be a SOX fan. I think '83 resonates with many of us of that age, at least it does for me anyway, because there was a certain purity there, never to be the same after the Britt Burns game.

Mentioning Burns, he has turned into perhaps the #1 folk hero of modern SOX times. That team had so many folk here types, so many fat guys for one thing, and guys with great nicknames and personalities. As Denny Lamp said in the Sunday Times yesterday, "We had some party people. I couldn't keep up. I'd be finishing my first drink and they'd be ordering their fourth, but everyone was ready to play the next day." The Booter, Koos, Dot, Spanky (also a personal favorite, 'MikeSquires'), Salome, Pudge, Wimpy, Kitty, Bull, The Lawman, Bainessy, Dirt Tidrow, Dibber and Juice Cruz...so many names, so many great times. A shame that team didn't at least make it to the Series. Everyone knows the Series that year was the ALCS, those were by far the best two teams in the land that year. Baltimore got into our heads a bit with the head-hunting, but if we had gotten to that fifth game with LaMarr, their goose was cooked and they knew it.

To this day, I hate three people from that team - Rick Dempsey, Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken...I never did give him a standing o a couple of years ago at that retirement ceremony the SOX had for him.

This weekend should be fun - can't wait to see Big Frank and Maggs in those space age thingys. Hopefully Colon will be pitching - the fatter, the better in those unis!

tacosalbarojas
09-01-2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by LongLiveFisk
You know something, if there really is a Heaven, I don't want to go there unless all these great times and great feelings are there again, waiting for me.



Hey Long Live Fisk,

Don't worry, Chicken Willie is there right this second with Aurelio Rodriguez preparing a massive pollo dinner for all us great SOX fans who were there on the wondrous '83 scene.

LongLiveFisk
09-01-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by tacosalbarojas
Hey Long Live Fisk,

Don't worry, Chicken Willie is there right this second with Aurelio Rodriguez preparing a massive pollo dinner for all us great SOX fans who were there on the wondrous '83 scene.

Hey, I'm all for that!

To 1983 and those great Winnin' Ugly memories: :gulp:

And you know, I used to have one of those jerseys. Paid about $15 for it at Fan-Fair (remember that place?) in 1985. I'd buy one again if they weren't so expensive, or at least if they had Fisk's NAME on it instead of just the number 72. What's the deal with that anyway?

mike squires
09-01-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by tacosalbarojas
TO this day I hate three players from that team - Rick Dempsey, Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken...I never did give him a standing o a couple of years ago at that retirement ceremony the SOX had for him.

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Dempsey was definatly a bully on that team. A kind of guy you loved to hate but would probably love him if he was on your team. Oh, you can add one more guy to that team...Tito Landrum, no doubt about it.

I wish they were wearing those unis all weekend. I'll be there on Friday. Can't wait to get my hand on an 83 Miller light hat!!!

FoulTerritory
09-01-2003, 10:08 PM
I might catch some flack for this, but i think Cal Ripkin Jr. is quite possilby the most overrated player in MLB history.

This guy had like 3 huge years, but he also had some abysmal seasons accented by his selfishly playing while not 100% so he could get a fairly unimportant record, and thus hurting his team in the process.

Plus his eyes are spooky. I suspect he is possessed by the devil.

AndyFrain
09-01-2003, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by FoulTerritory
I might catch some flack for this, but i think Cal Ripkin Jr. is quite possilby the most overrated player in MLB history.

This guy had like 3 huge years, but he also had some abysmal seasons accented by his selfishly playing while not 100% so he could get a fairly unimportant record, and thus hurting his team in the process.

Plus his eyes are spooky. I suspect he is possessed by the devil.

Yeah, but consider this....Ripken and his brothers have spent a couple of weeks in Mattoon, Il, the past few years hosting his World Series tournament. Its what used to be the Babe Ruth tournament series. He mixes well with the common folks, can party with the local yokels and still keep an honest smile on his face through the experience. So, and I'm no Ripken shill to say this, he seems more of a team player than not.
He is also still pretty well built for his time. At 6'4 I would want him coming after me in a dark alley with a bat in his hand.
Finally, from meeting him in person, I'd have to say, yea, his eyes do give off the heebe jeeby factors.

Bisco Stu
09-02-2003, 05:27 AM
Me and my uncle (hidden message for GD fans) went to the game before they clinched. It was raining and miserable and we were in the bleachers and my uncle felt sorry for the Mariners outfielders getting drenched and being on a crap team. Bought a Winning Ugly shirt after the game, wore it proudly on Saturday night when they clinched as I taped the celebration.

It was the first sign of chaos in Comiskey since Disco Demolition, and this one was a lot sweeter.

FanOf14
09-02-2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1

Fan Of 14: The back to back to back home runs you were talking about came against the Angels and were hit by Fisk / Luzinski / Paciorek. They all came off Tommy John. It was the game where Britt Burns tossed a one hitter and the Sox won 11-0 on September 9th.


The one that I saw was in July or August sometime - my mom and I were trying to remember and knew it had to be one of those two months because I was in the hospital in July and mom was in August - kidney issue and it happened after my trip and before hers. In any sense, that was my 83 memory! :)

Iwritecode
09-02-2003, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by FanOf14
I was 6 that season, but I have one distinct memory. I had just gotten back from the hospital after getting my head stitched up and having my elbows and knees taken care of (I was pushed under a car when I tried running through an opened fire hydrant. I was supposed to stay in the back yard while my mom was putting my sister down for a nap and changing my baby brother and I slipped out the gate with my friends from down the block).


Wow, 83 must have been a good year for little kids to get hurt.

I admit, I didn't really follow the Sox that year because I was only 5. I turned 6 in October.

The only thing I really remember about that year was playing kickball with some friends and using an old wooden flower box as second base. When I went to touch it with my hand, I got a 2" splinter across the palm of my hand. It must have happened late in the year because it was still there when I started first grade. Then I ended dropping a pencil and when I went to pick it up, the kid next to me stepped on the end of it so the lead went right into where the splinter was. I ended up with blood poisoning all the way up to my elbow. Obviously that wasn't a real great year for me...

Hangar18
09-02-2003, 10:18 AM
I remembered how in the offseason, I had a feeling this would be a special year, but they started out SO HORRIBLY. I also wanting to go the clinching game very BADLY, but I wasnt allowed to go by myself, I was too young. My cousin found a family friend who just happened to also be going to the game. I cant tell you how LUCKY I felt, and he had another ticket to the game (which was sold out). I remember it rained heavily before hand, and I wondered if it would be rained out. It only delayed the game an hour or so...... I also remember being one of the first people to run on the field..... ahhh memories

Hangar18
09-02-2003, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
You are confusing this game with the NBC Game Of The Week in early April 1984. That's where Jack Morris no hit the Sox. In one inning he walked the bases full and went 3-0 to Bull before getting him out and retiring the rest of the side. The closest the Sox came to a hit was when Paciorek ripped a line shot down the first base line which was grabbed by #14 (?) I forget his name but he was a defensive specialist.

Lip

HEY LIP....glad you brought this up. When exactly was this nohitter game? I was at that game (it was freaking cold out....felt like 32 degrees) and Morris no hit us. I Swore this was opening Day for the sox???

IronFisk
09-02-2003, 11:03 AM
THAT was the year that turned me into a Sox fan for life. I was 14 during that summer, and hadn't been to Comiskey in 6 years. I guess my dad had a bad experience - I really don't remember. All I know is that I attended a bunch of sCrUBS games in the meantime, but even so - still ended up a Sox fan!

Anyway, beyond all the incredible media hype surrounding the playoff run in that second half, my fondest memory is my "return" game just two days before the clincher. They were playing Seattle, and many thought just a few days before that this game would be the clincher. There were a lot of great memories of that game - catching a home run in batting practice and getting re-acquainted with the park. The latter was easy to do since it rained like crazy, and the game was delayed till almost 10 o'clock.

When it finally began, the Sox went nuts, and scored 11 runs in the 5th or 6th inning (?). All I know is that rain was still spitting down, it was late, and before the final out of that inning, the game was called. I think it was the closest to a "mercy rule" I have ever seen in the majors.

Just a wonderful season altogether, with a real heartbreaking end. Hoyt was scheduled to pitch game 5, and that would've been colossal. Britt Burns performance probably ranks in the top 10 of all playoff pitching performances. In my lifetime, only Jack Morris' WS game 7 in 91 ranks higher.

Even with the loss, it was a season for the ages - still far and away the most memorable for me.

JJAustin69
09-02-2003, 11:16 AM
I was in the left field upper deck when Bull hit his second roof shot against the Yankees. It went right over my head. The place came absolutely unglued. I also remember a Rudy Law inside the park homerun but I am not sure if it was in the same game. Lip?

xil357
09-02-2003, 11:39 AM
I was 7 years old and moved into a new house the day before school started at Tinley Heights Elementary in Tinley Park. Coming from Springfield, Illinois, I was a Cardinals fan (they just came off a WS victory in 82 and their AAA affiliate played in Springfield before moving to Louisville) and all the kids made fun of me because I had a funny accent. As a "foreigner," I had no friends at all. Strange, because I actually was born in Wheaton and my family moved to Springfield when my dad's job changed in 1980.

Chicago was a strange place. The afternoon news (yes, I watched the news when I was 7) was filled with the reports of the warring factions in the Chicago city council. Race was a huge issue on the news. (I had never thought about race; my family had several black neighbors in Springfield and we all got along great.) This also was the first time I ever had to ride the bus to school. On the bus kids were listening to Michael Jackson's "Beat It" and "Billie Jean" on their "Ghetto Blasters." I had never head of Michael Jackson before that. They were also talking about this mysterious "Winnin' Ugly" and the bus driver had an "83 Winnin' Ugly" sticker inside the bus. Lots of kids were wearing Sox hats. As far as I could tell as a seven year-old, Sox fever was gripping the southwest suburbs.

When the playoffs began, the principal of our school announced that we would have a Sox Day and would have the opportunity to watch one of the afternoon ALCS games in the gym. He suggested that every student and teacher wear something with Sox colors (he said that white, red and blue or black would be Sox colors). I didn't have anything with a Sox logo and I wouldn't dare wear anything Cardinals on it for fear of getting beaten up by third or fourth graders.

So I just dressed as I always did for "Sox Day:" jeans, shirt, sneakers and tube socks. By complete accident, I had picked out a mismatched set of socks to wear that day. I didn't notice it until my teacher pointed it out to me, but I had put on one white sock with red stripes and one white sock with navy blue stripes. The teacher thought I intended to show Sox spirit and even brought me up to the principal to show him my (unintended) set of socks. I was too honest to say that I planned it that way, so I told them it was an accident, but a good accident. So when the Sox lost the ALCS I definitely was disappointed.

Looking back, my own personal "socks incident" made me -- the timid second-grader in a new city and new school -- feel part of the crowd for the first time since I moved from Springfield. It sealed my destiny as a Sox fan. When the Cubs were good in 84 lots of kids jumped on that bandwagon, but I didn't. Although I didn't know it at the time, on that October afternoon I was drafted into Sox Army where I have served with pride ever since.

Lip Man 1
09-02-2003, 11:47 AM
More answers:

Hanger 18: The Morris no hitter took place on opening weekend, the first Saturday of the season...April 7, 1984

I was working that day at KNOE and was watching the game in the sports office. I got so pissed off that I kicked the hell out of my trash can denting it six ways to Sunday. (I had a temper in those days...LOL)

JJ: Rudy Law did hit an inside the park home run that year but it was AT NEW YORK. (I have the video...) August 17. Law hit an inside the park home run in Chicago but it was in 1985 off Chris Codiroli September 21.

Fisk hit the only other inside the park HR in 83 off Dave Stewart of the Rangers on a rain soaked evening August 30. (I have that video too...)

Iron Fisk: The game you talked about is mentioned in the 83 recap story on the main page of the web site. The Sox sent 16 men to the plate in the 6th inning and scored 11 runs in a 12-0 7 inning win over Seattle on September 15. Bannister got the win.

Fan Of 14: According to the White Sox media guide, the only game in 83 where the Sox hit back to back to back HR's was that Angels game on September 9th. The only other times it happened at the old park were in August 85 (Toronto) and July 1988 (Boston)

Lip

Lip Man 1
09-02-2003, 12:01 PM
xil:

That is one incredible story!

Lip

tacosalbarojas
09-02-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by mike squires
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Oh, you can add one more guy to that team...Tito Landrum, no doubt about it.



And Tito of course. How could I leave him out?

mike squires
09-02-2003, 10:45 PM
Lip: I remember that game in 85 against the Jays. I want to say Steib was pitching a masterpiece until Law, Little and Baines hit back to back to back. He may have even been pitching a no hitter. Unfortunatly they still lost the game.

JJAustin69
09-03-2003, 11:36 AM
Thanks for the homework Lip. Impressive as always. As far as more 83 memories, I still have the white 50th Anniversary batting helmet and rain poncho promos from games I attended. By October, I was in Germany listening to AFN in the middle of the night when Dibber overran second. It remains my most painful sports moment to this day. I will probably never get over it. All things considered though, 83 was magic.